ZEN3 RAM CHOICE: 3200Mhz CL14 Vs 3600MHZ Cl16 or 4000Mhz Cl19!

[zanatos]

Hi all,

i need to decide TODAY which 32GB (2x 16gb) Ram kits i should choose.
The Ram stick will be set to their XMP profile and won't be overclocked
The PC will be used for 4k gaming and heavy file encodings (video)

The ram sticks will be TRIDENT Z ROYAL
the links of the sticks are here. The third choice comes only in 64GB so unless it rocks and you suggest it it won't be my first choice

1:
Trident Z Royal
DDR4-4000MHz CL19-19-19-39 1.35V
32GB (2x16GB)

2:
Trident Z Royal
DDR4-3200MHz CL14-14-14-34 1.35V
32GB (2x16GB)

3:
Trident Z Royal DDR4-3600MHz CL16-22-22-42 1.45V 64GB (2x32GB)

4:
G.Skill F4-3600C16D-32GTRSC CL16-19-19-39 1.35V 32GB (2X16GB)

 

[TumbleGeorge]

For your old system in profile?

 

[kayjay010101]

Especially with 4K gaming, we're talking less than a percent difference from the worst to the best. Personally I'd go with the 3200-CL14 DIMMs as you can pretty much guarantee that they run at 3600-CL14 as well and that's pretty much the best you can get on Zen 3 (If you're really lucky you might be able to get 3800-CL14).

Go with whichever's cheapest IMO. 4000MHz is probably not ideal as that's not very easy to get running on Zen 3, very few chips can do FCLK 2000. So out of your choices the 3600-CL16 kit would be the worst, but probably the cheapest, and after that the 3200-CL14 kit would bethe best by far. The 64GB kit has terrible timings anyway so I wouldn't bother.

 

[zanatos]

thank you!!! so 3200Mhz CL14 it is... i will upload my second pc specs btw on my profile

 

[Countryside]

Would like to know mobo thats in use, assuming its 550 or 570 mobo i would recommend this G.skill

 

[zanatos]

Asus X570 Hero..

Especially with 4K gaming, we're talking less than a percent difference from the worst to the best. Personally I'd go with the 3200-CL14 DIMMs as you can pretty much guarantee that they run at 3600-CL14 as well and that's pretty much the best you can get on Zen 3 (If you're really lucky you might be able to get 3800-CL14).

Go with whichever's cheapest IMO. 4000MHz is probably not ideal as that's not very easy to get running on Zen 3, very few chips can do FCLK 2000. So out of your choices the 3600-CL16 kit would be the worst, but probably the cheapest, and after that the 3200-CL14 kit would bethe best by far. The 64GB kit has terrible timings anyway so I wouldn't bother.

question! why the the 3600Mhz is the worst choice? the 32GB one... it is available while the 3200Mhz is on backorder.

Would like to know mobo thats in use, assuming its 550 or 570 mobo i would recommend this G.skill

this build is empahis on RGB that's why i want the Z royal...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

3200 CL14 out of those kits..... The 4000 CL19 kit would be my second choice only because it should tweak fine to 3600/3800.

 

[Countryside]

Or this one F4-3600C16Q-32GTZNC 4x8 also this is in your motherboards qlv.

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Asus X570 Hero..


question! why the the 3600Mhz is the worst choice? the 32GB one... it is available while the 3200Mhz is on backorder.


this build is empahis on RGB that's why i want the Z royal...

In my experience 3200 is obvious and 3600 is the sweet spot above that is waste of money they become too expensive.

 

[zanatos]

I trust you guys. i feel a bit stupid. is CL14 so much better? i though Mhz are more important. the 3200mhz on amazon is out of stock but i rather order it than the 3600Mhz (which is cheaper?)

 

[ratirt]

I trust you guys. i feel a bit stupid. is CL14 so much better? i though Mhz are more important. the 3200mhz on amazon is out of stock but i rather order it than the 3600Mhz (which is cheaper?)

There is a price difference between 3200 CL14 and 3600 CL16 (same brand). You can get the 3200 CL14 oc'ed and they will perfectly work as 3600 CL16.
My ram does that no problem. So what's the point of buying 3600 CL16 for a higher price or even 4000 CL19?

 

[zanatos]

There is a price difference between 3200 CL14 and 3600 CL16 (same brand). You can get the 3200 CL14 oc'ed and they will perfectly work as 3600 CL16.
My ram does that no problem. So what's the point of buying 3600 CL16 for a higher price or even 4000 CL19?

The higher price is for the Cl14! seems latency is more price sensitive... from an inventory point of view i would have gotten the 3600Mhz but people suggest the Cl14...

200 CL14 out of those kits..... The 4000 CL19 kit would be my second choice only because it should tweak fine to 3600/3800.

you have amazing PCs! man wish i could be like you

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The difference is that 3200 kit will work at 3600/3800 with tighter timings than the 2 3600 kits you have listed...... If the 3600 16-19-19-39 kit is way cheaper it's fine and a good compromise as far as cost vs performance as long as its 40 ish cheaper or more.... It's a pretty popular choice.

Although gaming at 4k even with a 3090 you wouldn't need to tweak any of these kits even running the 4000 kit without your infinity fabric synced likely won't make a difference.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Get the 3200mhz cl 14. Other options have not so desirable latency

 

[kayjay010101]

The higher price is for the Cl14! seems latency is more price sensitive... from an inventory point of view i would have gotten the 3600Mhz but people suggest the Cl14...

The 3200-CL14 kit is almost certainly Samsung B-die; which is the best die for overclocking. Can easily overclock that to 3600 CL14 or even 3800 CL14 if lucky. That's why it costs a premium. The 3600MHz kit is definitely not B-die looking at the timings (B-die is usually CLX-X-X-X*2, while that die is CLX-X+3-X+3-X*2+7), so will be worse at overclocking. Comes at a cheaper cost as a result.

 

[freeagent]

I asked a similar question a couple of months ago. I went with Royals and Black and Whites both in 3200 C14 but not at the same time.. The Royals are the better bin for certain.. but both are good. I bought the B+Ws because I read 2021 might be tough for hardware.. lol and they are supposed to be for my kids machine when its ready.

 

[kayjay010101]

I trust you guys. i feel a bit stupid. is CL14 so much better? i though Mhz are more important. the 3200mhz on amazon is out of stock but i rather order it than the 3600Mhz (which is cheaper?)

MHz is better in terms of performance - but latency is important too. 3200 CL14 has 10ns of latency, and so does 3600 CL16. But the 3600 will be better as the clock is faster. Latency-wise they're equal.
In this case though, the MEMCLK (MHz) & CAS latency (CL) is not the whole story. The 3600 CL16 kit has undesirable secondary timings (19-19-39) which means it will be worse than 3200 CL14 (14-14-28)

 

[londiste]

Zen2/3 benefit from higher speeds as long as MCLK is 1:1, generally that is somewhere between DDR4-3600 and DDR4-4000 depending on the specific CPU.
The helps the latency between cores and helps with a fairly small but overall performance boost regardless of latency.

When it comes to latency:
4000CL19 is 9.5ns
3200CL14 is 8.75ns
3600CL16 is 8.88ns

If price is not the concern, go for the DDR4-4000 CL19 sticks and possibly run on lower clocks and tightened timings if CPU cannot take on 4000.

If you do not want to deal with doing any tweaking yourself, a DDR4-3600 CL16 kit would be the best option but look for a kit where secondary timings are also 16 cycles.
Again, if price is not a concern, the same Trident Z Royal has good kits exactly like that:

F4-3600C16D-32GTRG-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

F4-3600C16D-32GTRS-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

Edit:
Well, there are also DDR4-3600 kits with CL14 (DDR4-3600MHz CL14-15-15-35 1.45V) which I bet come with an even steeper price:

F4-3600C14D-32GTRS-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

F4-3600C14D-32GTRG-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

 

[Kapone33]

The difference is that 3200 kit will work at 3600/3800 with tighter timings than the 2 3600 kits you have listed...... If the 3600 16-19-19-39 kit is way cheaper it's fine and a good compromise as far as cost vs performance as long as its 40 ish cheaper or more.... It's a pretty popular choice.

Although gaming at 4k even with a 3090 you wouldn't need to tweak any of these kits even running the 4000 kit without your infinity fabric synced likely won't make a difference.

I thought that the thought process for RAM was the other way around. The faster RAM could give tighter timings at lower speeds?

 

[freeagent]

My Royal 3200C14 can run 3200 12-12-12- with 1.5v and 3600 12-12-12 1.6v.. pretty decent.. They are running 3800 14-14-14 right now with 1.5. Probably wouldn't be able to do that with those C16 sticks.. or maybe you could not sure.. these are my first sticks of DDR4 because I moved from under DDR3 my rock.

 

[Bones]

Grab the 3200 CL14 kit, OC it to 3600/3800 with stock timings or however you want and call it a day.

 

[zanatos]

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My Royal 3200C14 can run 3200 12-12-12- with 1.5v and 3600 12-12-12 1.6v.. pretty decent.. They are running 3800 14-14-14 right now with 1.5. Probably wouldn't be able to do that with those C16 sticks.. or maybe you could not sure.. these are my first sticks of DDR4 because I moved from under DDR3 my rock.

when i receive mine (don't know when) i will ask you advice on how to Oc them to 3600mhz or even higher!

Zen2/3 benefit from higher speeds as long as MCLK is 1:1, generally that is somewhere between DDR4-3600 and DDR4-4000 depending on the specific CPU.
The helps the latency between cores and helps with a fairly small but overall performance boost regardless of latency.

When it comes to latency:
4000CL19 is 9.5ns
3200CL14 is 8.75ns
3600CL16 is 8.88ns

If price is not the concern, go for the DDR4-4000 CL19 sticks and possibly run on lower clocks and tightened timings if CPU cannot take on 4000.

If you do not want to deal with doing any tweaking yourself, a DDR4-3600 CL16 kit would be the best option but look for a kit where secondary timings are also 16 cycles.
Again, if price is not a concern, the same Trident Z Royal has good kits exactly like that:

F4-3600C16D-32GTRG-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

F4-3600C16D-32GTRS-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

Edit:
Well, there are also DDR4-3600 kits with CL14 (DDR4-3600MHz CL14-15-15-35 1.45V) which I bet come with an even steeper price:

F4-3600C14D-32GTRS-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

F4-3600C14D-32GTRG-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Trident Z Royal is the latest addition to the Trident Z flagship family and features a crown jewel design. Meticulously crafted to display just the right amount of light refraction, the patented crystalline light bar scatters the RGB colors in a magnificent display of LED lighting. Mirroring the...

www.gskill.com

The 3600Mhz Cl14 is almost nowhere to be found...... even the 3200Mhz is difficult to get... In Europe at least.

 

[freeagent]

when i receive mine (don't know when) i will ask you advice on how to Oc them to 3600mhz or even higher!


The 3600Mhz Cl14 is almost nowhere to be found...... even the 3200Mhz is difficult to get... In Europe at least.

I am not the guy you want to talk to for overclock advice lol

There are plenty of skilled clockers here

 

[ThrashZone]

Asus X570 Hero..


question! why the the 3600Mhz is the worst choice? the 32GB one... it is available while the 3200Mhz is on backorder.


this build is empahis on RGB that's why i want the Z royal...

Hi,
No actually on amd 3600c16 is the best choice seeing it's already near the top frequency and only at 1.35v dimm voltage
3200c14 would need more dimm voltage for 3600 and that produces heat.

4000c19 would be a good intel kit not amd.

Overclocking it is as easy as installing ryzen memory config and go.

 

[zanatos]

So ryzen one which one is the best. The last person suggested 3600mhz.

 

[kayjay010101]

Best = 3200 CL14, set to 3600 and forget it (might need to bump voltage a tiny bit, but B-die can run safely 24/7 upto 1.5V so set it to 1.4V and it should be no problem)
Budget included, the 4000MHz kit (is it cheaper?) might be better bumped down to 3600 and timings tightened accordingly.