CPU Cooler for AMD Ryzen 5 3600 @ 1.4V / 4.5GHz

[Yan_]

Hi!
I have a Hyper H410R RGB and want to upgrade to another CPU Cooler for overclocking my Ryzen 5 3600, i was thinking on the Scythe Mugen 5 ARGB Plus or Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B RGB, can they handle with the processor in OC?

My cooler in these conditions can't and the temps go to 98C with thermal throttle

max height of 165MM
budget: 80 ~ 100$

i don't know if it's possible with this budget, if not, how much I need?

Thanks

 

[P4-630]

budget: 80 ~ 100$

With that budget I would look at 6-7 heatpipe Noctua or Be Quiet coolers, maybe Thermalright(not sure what coolers they have for todays sockets though).

 

[Toothless]

A Mugen 5 would work pretty well. Should note you're not gonna have that chip long running at 1.4v.

 

[P4-630]

Maybe a Scythe Mugen 5 will do if it's a 6 pipe cooler.
TPU didn't test this cooler, check for reviews.

 

[Toothless]

Maybe a Scythe Mugen 5 will do if it's a 6 pipe cooler.
TPU didn't test this cooler, check for reviews.

I believe it's a 6 pipe at least. OP shouldn't need more unless he wants to burn the chip up.

 

[thesmokingman]

1.4v + 4.5ghz + 98c... that chip is not long for this world.

 

[Yan_]

1.4v + 4.5ghz + 98c... that chip is not long for this world.

lol, now its running at 1V and 4.3GHz at 65C

 

[GerKNG]

maybe a spare CPU?
1.4V ain't gonna last longer than a few months (or days when you have heavy rendering on your to do list.)

 

[oobymach]

Firstly, don't feed 1.4volts constant to a ryzen 3000 series cpu unless you want to degrade it. AUTO voltage at 1.4v is quite different from MANUAL 1.4volts. The creator of the 7nm process said it is meant for 1.3volts so if you don't want to degrade your cpu stay at 1.3v or less. A manual cpu voltage of 1.25v is optimal.

Second, 4.5ghz is beyond what is recommended for 3000 series cpu's. A manual oc for a Ryzen 3000 is like 4.2-4.3ghz or whatever speed you can get stability with giving it 1.25v

 

[Yan_]

Firstly, don't feed 1.4volts constant to a ryzen 3000 series cpu unless you want to degrade it. AUTO voltage at 1.4v is quite different from MANUAL 1.4volts. The creator of the 7nm process said it is meant for 1.3volts so if you don't want to degrade your cpu stay at 1.3v or less. A manual cpu voltage of 1.25v is optimal.

Second, 4.5ghz is beyond what is recommended for 3000 series cpu's. A manual oc for a Ryzen 3000 is like 4.2-4.3ghz or whatever speed you can get stability with giving it 1.25v

ok, i gave up from using constantly 1.4V, but i don't know one thing: the PC was restarting by instability or the temps?

so I tried 1.4V, but the PC in the tests was still restarting, so I need a new cooler anyway

 

[GerKNG]

ok, i gave up from using constantly 1.4V, but i don't know one thing: the PC was restarting by instability or the temps?

at 98°C?
it was a temperature shutdown if it's not raised in the bios.

 

[Yan_]

at 98°C?
it was a temperature shutdown if it's not raised in the bios.

no, I don't moved nothing in the temperatures part of bios

 

[GerKNG]

no, I don't moved nothing in the temperatures part of bios

yeah then the CPU will shut down at ~100°C.

 

[mtcn77]

The main issue is cold plate transmittance. The 7nm die is off center, thus impedes heat transfer in convex dished coolers that are specific to Intel concave IHS curvature.
What you need is good contact pressure, but above all liquid metal! Liquid metal conducts more heat and suddenly your cpu will start acting up like a 125w instead of 95w(you'll start conducting more heat with a lower gradient between IHS and the cold plate), so it will put your cooler to the test, beware.

You're better off even if you upgrade to Ninja 5, although don't forget the first point I mentioned, the die doesn't contact the cold plate without an inordinate amount of mounting pressure.

 

[Yan_]

The main issue is cold plate transmittance. The 7nm die is off center, thus impedes heat transfer in convex dished coolers that are specific to Intel concave IHS curvature.
What you need is good contact pressure, but above all liquid metal! Liquid metal conducts more heat and suddenly your cpu will start acting up like a 125w instead of 95w(you'll start conducting more heat with a lower gradient between IHS and the cold plate), so it will put your cooler to the test, beware.

You're better off even if you upgrade to Ninja 5, although don't forget the first point I mentioned, the die doesn't contact the cold plate without an inordinate amount of mounting pressure.

how to use the liquid metal? like, what I need to don't f*** up with the components?

 

[GerKNG]

how to use the liquid metal? like, what I need to don't f*** up with the components?

don't use Liquid Metal!

it barely gives you any temperature benefit, it is dangerous, it does not belong on an IHS and you don't try to run a custom loop OC world record at ambient temps.

buy thermal paste. use it and done.

 

[Yan_]

don't use Liquid Metal!

it barely gives you any temperature benefit, it is dangerous, it does not belong on an IHS and you don't try to run a custom loop OC world record at ambient temps.

buy thermal paste. use it and done.

ok, i was seeing this one:

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is she good? I think yes based on w/mk

 

[freeagent]

1.4v on my 3600XT is too intense for all workloads. Maybe light stuff like games sure maybe.. but 95c lol. Come back to this thread in 6 months with a CPU health update, I am genuinely curious.

 

[mouacyk]

lol, now its running at 1V and 4.3GHz at 65C

Have you run this through stress tests? Mine is 1.17v for 4GHz under 65C after stress testing with Realbench for 4 hours, but it is using a small heatsink (Cryorig C7 Cu) in an ITX build.

 

[Yan_]

Have you run this through stress tests? Mine is 1.17v for 4GHz under 65C after stress testing with Realbench for 4 hours, but it is using a small heatsink (Cryorig C7 Cu) in an ITX build.

yes

1.4v on my 3600XT is too intense for all workloads. Maybe light stuff like games sure maybe.. but 95c lol. Come back to this thread in 6 months with a CPU health update, I am genuinely curious.

now, on PBO, it's at 1.4V in idle and 1.36V working
i'll give an health update

 

[freeagent]

yes

now, on PBO, it's at 1.4V in idle and 1.36V working
i'll give an health update

Oh well that's fine. I thought you entered 1.4v on the ccx and the override set your multi and let er rip.

 

[oldwalltree]

AIO?

 

[John Naylor]

Scythe Fuma 2 is $55 ...outperforms the $90 flagships from Cryorig and Noctua and most 2 x 120mm AIOs.

Fuma 2 = 80C in AIDA 64 / 40 dbA
Corsair 100i Pro = 79 C / 53 dbA ...that 2.5 times as loud for 1C better cooling .... not bad, if ya put the PC in th enxt room and use 30 foot KB, Mouse and monitor cables.

https://tpucdn.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/images/temp_oc_aida64.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/images/fan_noise_100.png

 

[Yan_]

Scythe Fuma 2 is $55 ...outperforms the $90 flagships from Cryorig and Noctua and most 2 x 120mm AIOs.

Fuma 2 = 80C in AIDA 64 / 40 dbA
Corsair 100i Pro = 79 C / 53 dbA ...that 2.5 times as loud for 1C better cooling .... not bad, if ya put the PC in th enxt room and use 30 foot KB, Mouse and monitor cables.

https://tpucdn.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/images/temp_oc_aida64.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/scythe-fuma-2-dual-tower-cpu-cooler/images/fan_noise_100.png[/U

guys, so, based on this:

The main issue is cold plate transmittance. The 7nm die is off center, thus impedes heat transfer in convex dished coolers that are specific to Intel concave IHS curvature.

a Mugen 5 Rev. B is better than a Fuma 2 by being "totally prepared for ryzen" or its just marketing?

 

[Zach_01]

don't use Liquid Metal!

it barely gives you any temperature benefit, it is dangerous, it does not belong on an IHS and you don't try to run a custom loop OC world record at ambient temps.

buy thermal paste. use it and done.

Did you ever try LM on a Ryzen3000/5000? Switching to it from ArcticSilver5 dropped max temps about 4~5C.
Its the off-center chiplets design that get benefitted from high heat transmission.
Yes its dengerous and needs to be treated with care. Also there is the "issue" on copper surfaces that need frequent replacement at first months.

I'm not saying its easy to use, or convenient, or cheap... pretty much the opposite. But I can't accept that barely benefits temperature. At least for ZEN2/3.
I'm using it for 14months now.