Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states

[P4-630]

Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states due to power regulations
Energy efficiency rules appear to be limiting the availability of gaming rigs

LOL, Whut?

Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states due to power regulations

Energy efficiency rules appear to be limiting the availability of gaming rigs

www.theregister.com

 

[Space Lynx]

Looks like my next gen PC I build will be probably be my last if this becomes common practice/expanded. That's fine though, I'll make sure I go balls to the walls with my next build in late 2022.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Hopefully no gpu's either nvidia

 

[Deleted member 24505]

This is the dumbest thing i have heard in a long time, and wtf DELL

Some interesting comments on that link-
As far as I can tell all major corporate entities are currently vacating California as fast as they reasonably can.

How about Pixar, ILM and any other studios that do CGI or computer editing work?

 

[Anoniem]

There are probably better ways to save energy if I'm honest

 

[thesmokingman]

LOL, Whut?

Dell won't ship energy-hungry PCs to California and five other US states due to power regulations

Energy efficiency rules appear to be limiting the availability of gaming rigs

www.theregister.com

That's not even the half of it. CA also is enforcing stock software checks on car ECUs. No more modded ECU's for you. Thanks VW...

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is the dumbest thing i have heard in a long time

Agreed, but...

and wtf DELL

...this isn't Dell's fault. Blame the moron regulators who came up with this moronic nonsense.

 

[Steevo]

1984

“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday […] it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. [...] The eyeless crature at the other table swallowed it fanatically. passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grams. Syme, too-in some more double complex way, involving doublethink-Syme, swallow it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?”​

People have to vote these idiots in so they can get their government provided rations.

 

[thesmokingman]

This is kind of old news though. It kind highlights how bad those Alienwares are at idle.

California approves first US energy efficiency standards for computers

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[R-T-B]

All they likely need to do to get around this is use an efficient, nongarbage grade psu. But it's easier to just say "tough luck, we only sell garbage."

1984

“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday […] it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. [...] The eyeless crature at the other table swallowed it fanatically. passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grams. Syme, too-in some more double complex way, involving doublethink-Syme, swallow it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?”​

People have to vote these idiots in so they can get their government provided rations.

This isn't at all comparable. Orwell would likely be for energy efficiency regulations given his socialist leanings (yes, google the man) and the state of the planet.

So pretty much nothing relevant in that quote.

 

[Space Lynx]

There are probably better ways to save energy if I'm honest

exactly the government is completely not getting it at all. a blanket ban on crypto, allowing business, banks, and exchanges to not allow crypto could be executive order and banned over night that alone would fix a a good chunk of the issue.

but government is dumb so eh. more RnD into figuring out how to make "green cement" for climate friendly infrastructure, and figuring out the agricultural problem with more RnD... those 3 things together would make up the majority of the problem. but government focuses on... niche PC gamers. lol. pathetic.

 

[Anoniem]

All they likely need to do to get around this is use an efficient, nongarbage grade psu. But it's easier to just say "tough luck, we only sell garbage."

How about removing that bloatware that they dare call software, including the stupid McAfee AV. I've watched some of the Gamers Nexus videos and yeah, it's part entertainment/drama but they do have several good points.

 

[R-T-B]

How about removing that bloatware that they dare call software, including the stupid McAfee AV. I've watched some of the Gamers Nexus videos and yeah, it's part entertainment/drama but they do have several good points.

That wouldn't do anything to hardware efficiency. Unfortunately, selling garbage software is still legal.

would fix a a good chunk of the issue.

Crypto doesn't account for even .1% of global co2, so like hell it would.

 

[thesmokingman]

How about removing that bloatware that they dare call software, including the stupid McAfee AV. I've watched some of the Gamers Nexus videos and yeah, it's part entertainment/drama but they do have several good points.

Yea, that's not gonna happen. It's surprising how many casuals click on that crap and buy into subs and what not. Enthusiasts like use, first thing we do is wipe the drives and fresh install.

 

[Anoniem]

That wouldn't do anything to hardware efficiency. Unfortunately, selling garbage software is still legal.

I partially agree since more poorly written software *cough*iCUE* does prevent the CPU from going to idle properly. That combined with garbage tier PSU's is even worse and increases idle draw.

 

[R-T-B]

I partially agree since more poorly written software *cough*iCUE* does prevent the CPU from going to idle properly. That combined with garbage tier PSU's is even worse and increases idle draw.

The only efficiency figure they use is watts per instruction or some bullshit. Idle states don't even factor in.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

This is another sign that California is going down the toilet. Instead of building more power plants, they're trying to reduce demand. This may work for a while, but eventually they'll get to the point that there won't be enough electricity to go around no matter how much consumption is restricted. Try to build a dam there and some environmental extremist group tied up the proposal in the courts for decades. Try to build a nuclear plant and they bitch and moan about that. Try to build a power plant that uses concentrated sunlight to boil water and they'll piss and moan about the stupid bird that flies too close to the focal point and cooks itself. Build windmills and they gripe about the birds that fly into them and get chopped up.

All these proposals will do is make the computers more expensive. People who can afford them will get them. All someone needs is a friend or relative out of state who will cooperate. John in L.A. has it shipped to his mom and dad who already escaped California and live in Phoenix. They either ship it to him, bring it to him if they visit or he goes there. Someone living close enough to the state line will have it shipped to someplace out of state then drive there to get it.

The shady black marketeer who used to sell drugs will start selling computers and Dr. Seuss books.

 

[Space Lynx]

Crypto doesn't account for even .1% of global co2, so like hell it would.

Incorrect 100%.

Since crypto began you are looking at 10-30 more countries worth of electricity usage that was NEVER being used before, this is a new market. Bitcoin uses 3-5 countries worth by itself, add in the other 5000 get rich quick scheme coins currently on Coinmarketcap, all the failed coins from the past, all the sand/production/truckers physical miners who actually harvest/their increase diesel usage (etc) that has gone into the actual factories producing mining gear, cloud mining companies, the exchanges and how much each exchange uses to stay operating, the endless events hosted to raise capital for crypto... to the very sand (VERY VERY PRECIOUS RESOURCE) usable sand itself should be treasured more because we will run out eventually. (I mention the sand because of wasted hardware which adds to more factory production eventually)

All in all I estimate it could easily be worth 10-30 countries worth of electricity usage.

This is a NEW market, stating that fiat uses more electricity is a redundant statement. Fiat is not going anywhere and fiat is not a new market.

 

[Anoniem]

The only efficiency figure they use is watts per instruction or some bullshit. Idle states don't even factor in.

Now that is just plain stupid. I read that part, and then promptly forgot about it so that's on me.

 

[thesmokingman]

Crypto doesn't account for even .1% of global co2, so like hell it would.

Lmao .1% is a fuck ton. But really a lot of the mining power is done in areas of the world on coal. Bad bad bad...

lol, can't help thinking about the POS peaker plant in upstate new york turned into miner power plant that is destroying the eco system there...

 

[R-T-B]

Incorrect 100%.

How big is Bitcoin's carbon footprint?

Tesla (TSLA.O) boss Elon Musk's sudden u-turn over accepting bitcoin to buy his electric vehicles has thrust the cryptocurrency's energy usage into the headlights.

www.reuters.com

Bitcoin production is estimated to generate between 22 and 22.9 million metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions a year, or between the levels produced by Jordan and Sri Lanka, a 2019 study in scientific journal Joule found.

Those are very small countries, and not terribly high emmisions wise. I stand by my figure. somewhere between 0 and 1%.

Global output is 36.8 billion tons, btw. That makes my figure actually a high one. It's around 1/5th that, ~.02%

Lmao .1% is a fuck ton.

Fuckton or not was not the point. He was claiming removing it would solve the climate crisis. Like, nope.

 

[Space Lynx]

How big is Bitcoin's carbon footprint?

Tesla (TSLA.O) boss Elon Musk's sudden u-turn over accepting bitcoin to buy his electric vehicles has thrust the cryptocurrency's energy usage into the headlights.

www.reuters.com

Those are very small countries, and not terribly high emmisions wise. I stand by my figure. somewhere between 0 and 1%.



Fuckton or not was not the point. He was claiming removing it would solve the climate crisis. Like, nope.

Incorrect, I was not claiming removing it would solve the climate crisis. In fact, if we don't remove it, as well as figure out green infrastructure, and agriculture, and space rockets, and airplanes, and cars, and so on and so forth... Earth is finished. Doesn't change the fact everything needs addressed and fast.

You are quoting Bitcoin again... that is A) not what I said, I said ALL COINS and all infrastructure related to mining. On a geological timescale, that output over the last 10-15 years IS NEW to the contribution of emissions and resources. You claim 50% of Bitcoin is mined with green energy now like Elon? So what... that energy should be stored and sold back to non-green areas.

That article is missing a ton of calculations, you sure it calculated the Bitcoin fork too? I would need more details on this study to trust those numbers, I have read several other articles stating 3-5% range. I personally think it's more than that too. Depends how you calculate it all.

Does that include every random joe with a single mining rig hidden in his office adding in alt coins, and so on so forth.

That article is not getting it at all.

 

[R-T-B]

You are quoting Bitcoin again...

Crypto energy figures can't and don't differentiate.

You claim 50% of Bitcoin is mined with green energy now like Elon?

No, but bitcoin and other crypto is funding green energy projects we are too lame to build ourselves, FWIW.

 

[Space Lynx]

Crypto energy figures can't and don't differentiate.

huh? how is that possible? that statement doesn't even make sense.

Tons of coins failed that were mined and never made it big enough to be converted to Bitcoin. Those coins used energy. Protocoin comes to mind, the first Nvidia coin if I remember correctly.

No, but bitcoin and other crypto is funding green energy projects we are too lame to build ourselves, FWIW.

Not enough to make up for the 5000 get rich quick alt coins it inspired.

 

[R-T-B]

Does that include every random joe with a single mining rig hidden in his office adding in alt coins, and so on so forth.

Considering it's basically just taking the energy rise between 2018 and 2019 and calling it all "mining" I'm going to say probably.

huh? how is that possible? that statement doesn't even make sense.

The only methods of estimation at our disposal are energy grid based. The grid can't and doesn't tell us what they are doing with that power so it's all lumped together in guesswork.

Not enough to make up for the 5000 get rich quick alt coins it inspired.

I dunno, after I almost cooked alive this year, I got a lot less spiteful and worried about money and am more concerned with whatever might make progress for the environmenr actually happen.

I have no faith in congress to do that.