Want the 11400F but am aware of vrm/ram speed issues

[Reevesii]

This processor is ideal for me being a casual gamer. The price point is amazing but I’ve read about some boards restricting power thus decreasing performance with this chip and/or prevent ram operating at its full speed.

is there another processor in this price range I can buy to avoid these issues or are there some decent motherboards I can look at that don’t have these issues and won’t cost the earth?

thank you guys

 

[ohEhio]

I would say 11400f is very cheap for a 6 core CPU, there isn't much that is not a previous-gen intel or a Ryzen 3. If you want to, try to get a 5600g. For some reason, it's a slightly weaker, cheaper Ryzen 5. It is about $260. If you want to stay intel, then you have just about the best processor for the price.

 

[AlwaysHope]

This processor is ideal for me being a casual gamer. The price point is amazing but I’ve read about some boards restricting power thus decreasing performance with this chip and/or prevent ram operating at its full speed.

is there another processor in this price range I can buy to avoid these issues or are there some decent motherboards I can look at that don’t have these issues and won’t cost the earth?

thank you guys

If you shop around you can get an entry level Z590 board for about the price of a mid to upper range B560 board. This way you will have very little if any limits on power deliver to the chip, the only limiting factor will be the VRM implementation as shown in this review here.

 

[AleXXX666]

This processor is ideal for me being a casual gamer. The price point is amazing but I’ve read about some boards restricting power thus decreasing performance with this chip and/or prevent ram operating at its full speed.

is there another processor in this price range I can buy to avoid these issues or are there some decent motherboards I can look at that don’t have these issues and won’t cost the earth?

thank you guys

i've got AsRock B560 Steel legend. Handles my 10700K pretty nice, very good VRM here. Same price was MSI MAG B560 TORPEDO, VRM heatsinks are also massive. I've built a customer build with i5-11500 on MSI MAG B560 TOMAHAWK WIFI (got it with good rebate though). ASUS TUF GAMING B560 is the last I'd reco here, so choose which you like best. I chose ASRock by design and I wanted USB-C port on back and lots of M2 SSD slots. Going cheap Z590 is "brain-OFF" decision, as their VRM is trash. BTW, 11400F is coolest i5 from 11 range, so I wouldn't care so much, it matters only if you want upgrade later.

If you shop around you can get an entry level Z590 board for about the price of a mid to upper range B560 board. This way you will have very little if any limits on power deliver to the chip, the only limiting factor will be the VRM implementation as shown in this review here.

what's the point of going cutted Z590 board, good example of manufacturer "TOP" Z590 is Asus Prime Z590-P (pure rebranding of Z490-P, which i've had, shame Asus, they just kicked it off but they might add 11 gen cpu support to it lol), ASRock "famous" cheapest Phantom Gaming series, which has trashy VRM. On "rich" B560 you have good LANs, good Audio, lots of USBs - that's what I personally expect from $150+ motherboard, not ONLY "good vrm" lmfao.

 

[Why_Me]

This processor is ideal for me being a casual gamer. The price point is amazing but I’ve read about some boards restricting power thus decreasing performance with this chip and/or prevent ram operating at its full speed.

is there another processor in this price range I can buy to avoid these issues or are there some decent motherboards I can look at that don’t have these issues and won’t cost the earth?

thank you guys

Both of these boards are reasonably priced and both have excellent VRM's allowing you to run that cpu with the power limits off. Pair it up with a set of 3200mhz CL16 RAM and an aftermarket cpu cooler.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560M-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10#kf

MAG B560M BAZOOKA

Powered by Intel 11th Gen Core processors, the MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA is hardened with performance essential specifications to outlast enemies. Tuned for better performance by Core boost, DDR4 Boost, Premium Thermal Solution, M.2 Shield Frozr, USB 3.2

www.msi.com

 

[AlwaysHope]

what's the point of going cutted Z590 board, good example of manufacturer "TOP" Z590 is Asus Prime Z590-P (pure rebranding of Z490-P, which i've had, shame Asus, they just kicked it off but they might add 11 gen cpu support to it lol), ASRock "famous" cheapest Phantom Gaming series, which has trashy VRM. On "rich" B560 you have good LANs, good Audio, lots of USBs - that's what I personally expect from $150+ motherboard, not ONLY "good vrm" lmfao.

The OP was mentioning good VRM support among memory as well, my point was with the VRM. You can't beat the connectivity inherent in Z590 chipset over any of its lesser siblings. I don't know what budget the OP has in mind cause' all that's mentioned in the OP is "... won't cost the earth".

 

[Why_Me]

This processor is ideal for me being a casual gamer. The price point is amazing but I’ve read about some boards restricting power thus decreasing performance with this chip and/or prevent ram operating at its full speed.

is there another processor in this price range I can buy to avoid these issues or are there some decent motherboards I can look at that don’t have these issues and won’t cost the earth?

thank you guys

What country are you located?

 

[Reevesii]

UK sir

 

[Why_Me]

UK sir

Here ya go. You're on your way to becoming the next Jackfrags of UK gaming.

https://www.ebuyer.com/1257803-msi-mag-b560m-bazooka-matx-motherboard-mag-b560m-bazooka
MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA £99.99

https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/int...cket-lake-processor-bx8070811400f/version.asp
Intel Core i5 11400F £144.97

https://www.ebuyer.com/1286124-antec-a400-rgb-120mm-cpu-air-cooler-0-761345-10921-5
Antec A400 RGB 120MM CPU COOLER £24.99

https://www.ebuyer.com/1258410-cors...-2-3200mhz-ddr4-memory-kit-cmk16gx4m2e3200c16
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz 16GB (2x8GB) CL16 £49.98

Total: £320 inc VAT

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304231519337
Gigabyte B560M AORUS ELITE £103.94

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560M-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10#kf

MAG B560M BAZOOKA

Powered by Intel 11th Gen Core processors, the MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA is hardened with performance essential specifications to outlast enemies. Tuned for better performance by Core boost, DDR4 Boost, Premium Thermal Solution, M.2 Shield Frozr, USB 3.2

www.msi.com

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

is there another processor in this price range I can buy to avoid these issues or are there some decent motherboards I can look at that don’t have these issues and won’t cost the earth?

thank you guys

The best motherboard for 11th gen i5 and i7 processors is the Gigabyte Auors b560m pro, or the ATX version B560 Pro AX ( Same boards ), according to hardware unboxed, the Aorus pro can deliver the full performance of 11th gen processors without throttling, the MSI tomahawk and Asus TUF can do that also but somehow they consume more power

 

[Why_Me]

The best motherboard for 11th gen i5 and i7 processors is the Gigabyte Auors b560m pro, or the ATX version B560 Pro AX ( Same boards ), according to hardware unboxed, the Aorus pro can deliver the full performance of 11th gen processors without throttling, the MSI tomahawk and Asus TUF can do that also but somehow they consume more power

The Gigabyte Pro and Elite have identical VRM's. The MSI Bazooka is a steal for 100 quid.

 

[The King]

The 11400F is a good option at the moment prices are cut down to lower than even the 3300x in my country.
I came very close to buying one a few weeks ago was just 13799 rupees.

I think the 12400/F would be much better in terms of performance vs price however you would need a new board.
I would personally save up and get an Alder lake 12400F and B660.

 

[Why_Me]

The 11400F is a good option at the moment prices are cut down to lower than even the 3300x in my country.
I came very close to buying one a few weeks ago was just 13799 rupees.

I think the 12400/F would be much better in terms of performance vs price however you would need a new board.
I would personally save up and get an Alder lake 12400F and B660.

That's the cpu I'm interested in.

https://www.techpowerup.com/289923/intel-core-i5-12400-early-review-dubs-it-a-game-changer

https://www.techpowerup.com/290116/intel-65-w-alder-lake-s-pricing-confirmed

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

The Gigabyte Pro and Elite have identical VRM's.

The elite has cut down VRMs from the PRO, the Prod uses 12 direct 50amps stages, the elite is below that.

The MSI Bazooka is a steal for 100 quid.

Throw the ASRock steel legend b560m to the mix, that one is also solid

If you shop around you can get an entry level Z590 board for about the price of a mid to upper range B560 board.

entry level Z boards are a BAD value over a decently specced B boards, entry level Z boards give you average audio, and average lan compared to a good B boards, the reason is Z chipsets cost more than B boards and with B chipsets motherboard vendors have more room to improve other features on the board

This whole obsession of only Z boards are good is very bad, their are 180$ B boards that give you solid VRM, high end realtek audio and 2.5gb lan for the price of an entry level Z board with ALC 892 and 1 gb lan

 

[Mussels]

The elite has cut down VRMs from the PRO, the Prod uses 12 direct 50amps stages, the elite is below that.


Throw the ASRock steel legend b560m to the mix, that one is also solid


entry level Z boards are a BAD value over a decently specced B boards, entry level Z boards give you average audio, and average lan compared to a good B boards, the reason is Z chipsets cost more than B boards and with B chipsets motherboard vendors have more room to improve other features on the board

This whole obsession of only Z boards are good is very bad, their are 180$ B boards that give you solid VRM, high end realtek audio and 2.5gb lan for the price of an entry level Z board with ALC 892 and 1 gb lan

TBH tho, 99% of people do not have more than gigabit for their home network, nor do they use onboard audio (It's usually USB or HDMI/DP) - so not everyone cares about those two

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

MSI MAG B560M BAZOOKA £99.99

Just food for thought, bazooka uses the PRO VDH vrm solution where is the B560m mortar uses the higher end b560 Tomahawk solution, which is among the top performing in the hardware unboxed charts, along with the Aours pro, while sure its 20 quids more, but for a processor that will game comfortable for the next years, i would say thats a good investment

TBH tho, 99% of people do not have more than gigabit for their home network, nor do they use onboard audio (It's usually USB or HDMI/DP) - so not everyone cares about those two

Yea, but the whole argument about recommending Z boards over B boards are """"fEatUrEs""" so if that what it comes down to, then an upper mid range B board should give you more than an entry level Z board, all while costing the same

nor do they use onboard audio (It's usually USB or HDMI/DP) - so not everyone cares about those two

Press X to doubt

 

[Mussels]

Press X to doubt

Different users, different use case - hence my original point.

The lower chipset having a lower PCI-E gen or less lanes is more important to users like me, if you cared that much about audio you'd get an add-on card anyway


Editing to add instead of making another post and derailing the thread: Gigabit is even useless to the overwhelming masses, outside of a few select citites in certain countries most people have home broadband well under 100Mb, and dont do local file transfers.

Until the last 2-3 years most ISP provided routers here were 100Mb with N150 wifi - one i got given by an ISP 3 years ago only does 65Mb 2.4GHz. That's it.
In the last 5 years they've moved over to AC1200 routers at last, since they began offering gigabit plans in select locations (with minimum 2 year contracts and fines if you dont return the router at the end)

https://www.speedtest.net/global-index The #1 country has an average under 200Mb, with only 15 countries in the world having an average above 100Mb
(and while some may go far above into the gigabit ranges, that also means a *lot* of people have speeds well under that)

As for audio, that'd be an interesting survey.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

TBH tho, 99% of people do not have more than gigabit for their home network

Oh man i was watching LTT videos and in one of them he trash talked a motherboard because it has only 1Gb lan, and that moment i was so angry, i wanted to rip his throat and shove it where the sun dosnt shine, like who the hell would say that 1gb lan isnt enough, i died inside hearing that, but to each their own i guess....

 

[AlwaysHope]

entry level Z boards are a BAD value over a decently specced B boards, entry level Z boards give you average audio, and average lan compared to a good B boards, the reason is Z chipsets cost more than B boards and with B chipsets motherboard vendors have more room to improve other features on the board

This whole obsession of only Z boards are good is very bad, their are 180$ B boards that give you solid VRM, high end realtek audio and 2.5gb lan for the price of an entry level Z board with ALC 892 and 1 gb lan

Depends where you shop doesn't it? Over here in Australia, you can get better value for money with entry level Z590 boards if you choose wisely based from online reviews of particular models.

 

[Why_Me]

Depends where you shop doesn't it? Over here in Australia, you can get better value for money with entry level Z590 boards if you choose wisely based from online reviews of particular models.

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08X7DBHS1
MSI MAG B560M Bazooka $139.00 AUD

 

[Mussels]

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08X7DBHS1
MSI MAG B560M Bazooka $139.00 AUD

two options for $170 in Z590


For $30 difference, you bet buyers should closely investigate the chipset and feature differences

 

[Why_Me]

two options for $170 in Z590
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For $30 difference, you bet buyers should closely investigate the chipset and feature differences

Those boards are cheaper in Oz than here in the US. Same goes for the UK .. their prices are cheaper than here in the US.

 

[Why_Me]

The elite has cut down VRMs from the PRO, the Prod uses 12 direct 50amps stages, the elite is below that.


Throw the ASRock steel legend b560m to the mix, that one is also solid


entry level Z boards are a BAD value over a decently specced B boards, entry level Z boards give you average audio, and average lan compared to a good B boards, the reason is Z chipsets cost more than B boards and with B chipsets motherboard vendors have more room to improve other features on the board

This whole obsession of only Z boards are good is very bad, their are 180$ B boards that give you solid VRM, high end realtek audio and 2.5gb lan for the price of an entry level Z board with ALC 892 and 1 gb lan

Not to spam this guy's thread but will this board in the link have any issues running an i5 12400F in your opinion. There's no reviews on this board but I'm expecting it to go for right around $150 once it shows up on US sites which will make it one of the few affordable B660 boards without going totally ghetto.

B660M GAMING X DDR4 (rev. 1.x) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ultimate platform for...

www.gigabyte.com

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Not to spam this guy's thread but will this board in the link have any issues running an i5 12400F in your opinion. There's no reviews on this board but I'm expecting it to go for right around $150 once it shows up on US sites which will make it one of the few affordable B660 boards without going totally ghetto.

B660M GAMING X DDR4 (rev. 1.x) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ultimate platform for...

www.gigabyte.com

It should be more than enough, my comment back then about the aorus pro having slightly better vrm over the elite, is for it to be equipped to handle up to i9 11900.

The day when i wake up to hear a 8 phase drmos vrm not enough for a locked i5 is the day the DIY motherboard market need to fudging crash and restructured because that would be beyond comedy lol

 

[Why_Me]

It should be more than enough, my comment back then about the aorus pro having slightly better vrm over the elite, is for it to be equipped to handle up to i9 11900.

The day when i wake up to hear a 8 phase drmos vrm not enough for a locked i5 is the day the DIY motherboard market need to fudging crash and restructured because that would be beyond comedy lol

I feel better now. I was looking at the few B660 boards that just showed up on US sites today and I was like wtf is with these prices. And no love from Asus LGA 1700 boards. Those boards are priced through the roof.