Change GPU always in the world of FHD

[matetod]

Hi guys,
I'm about to change GPU also because my current one occasionally without specific criteria completely freezes the PC or going black,
tried with bios, drivers, and clean install, but the same problem, then I will try changing the PC, as soon as I have a chance (an R9 Fury X).

I looked and I am undecided between three cards:
AMD RX6600 (Asus / Sapphire)
Nvidia RTX 3050 8GB (Gainward / Palit / MSI)
Nvidia RTX 2060 12Gb (Zotac)
(I added the 12Gb 2060 knowing that it shares the core with the 2060 Super)

What would be a better choice (I don't think I'll get out of FHD anytime soon but I have two monitors, one at 75hz and one at 90hz)?

Thanks
Matteo

 

[Kapone33]

The 6600 is the best card out of that bunch.

 

[Ruru]

6600 is the fastest with a noticeable margin.

 

[eidairaman1]

6600 hands down, no risk of getting a used card either

I Suggest Sapphire RX 6600 For Sure

 

[AlwaysHope]

6600 hands down, no risk of getting a used card either

I Suggest Sapphire RX 6600 For Sure

Absolutely, & a factory OC one at that too!

 

[matetod]

I am honest, the Ray Tracing support is the reason why I took a step back on the 6600 and forward on the RTX 2060 12Gb (also I see the benches here in the reviews), it is not essential,
but I would like to be able to use it.
I know it's not that popular right now, but I was looking for something future proof.

 

[tabascosauz]

I am honest, the Ray Tracing support is the reason why I took a step back on the 6600 and forward on the RTX 2060 12Gb (also I see the benches here in the reviews), it is not essential,
but I would like to be able to use it.
I know it's not that popular right now, but I was looking for something future proof.

It doesn't matter if raytracing is popular or not. A 2060 12GB is a terrible raytracing card, and outside of RT it's either the same as the 2060 6GB or halfway between it and 2060 Super

DLSS on the other hand, if you mainly play games that have good DLSS implementations (COD), that might be a big point in favour of the 2060. But from what you've said so far, that doesn't seem to be the case, so RX6600 it is.

 

[Ruru]

I am honest, the Ray Tracing support is the reason why I took a step back on the 6600 and forward on the RTX 2060 12Gb (also I see the benches here in the reviews), it is not essential,
but I would like to be able to use it.
I know it's not that popular right now, but I was looking for something future proof.

2060 & 3050 aren't that fast to run games with raytracing on.

 

[looniam]

I am honest, the Ray Tracing support is the reason why I took a step back on the 6600 and forward on the RTX 2060 12Gb (also I see the benches here in the reviews), it is not essential,
but I would like to be able to use it.
I know it's not that popular right now, but I was looking for something future proof.

3060 here and really G*106 chips are more tease for ray tracing; i get good frame time is metro ex enhanced but as mentioned cyberpunk is a slide show even w/dlss (quality - cannot do performance )

not that i regret buying it because it scratched an itch but the plan was to switch depending on most gaming that the 6600 (more the XT though) does better; AC:vallahalla and BL3 as examples. burt a year later and still a shortage (maybe just cleating up), imma waiting until next gen for both. unless i find a $500 3080/12GB - which won't happen.

just saying.

 

[matetod]

Then RX6600 is the choose.
A question, considering the price in Euros, between 370 and 400 is it a fair price?

 

[Ruru]

Then RX6600 is the choose.
A question, considering the price in Euros, between 370 and 400 is it a fair price?

Not bad at all. The cheapest RX 6600 here in Finland is 385EUR.

 

[DoLlyBirD]

6650xt is starting around 400 in the UK the same price as 6600 and xt, you should look at the xt and 6650xt to see if you could opt for one of the higher models around the same price

 

[matetod]

If I wanted to evaluate the used market, what should I look for in the 400 euros range that could be more performant than the Rx6600?

 

[P4-630]

If I wanted to evaluate the used market, what should I look for in the 400 euros range that could be more performant than the Rx6600?

You could look for used RX5700 XT, RTX 2070 Super, RTX 2080 and so on.
Don't know about the prices in your country.

 

[zx128k]

2060 & 3050 aren't that fast to run games with raytracing on.

The 2060 can run RT at 1080p with DLSS no problems. Also he is interested in RT so the 6600 or 6650 AMD are just garbage for RTing. The RX5700 XT card should be avoided at all costs. See Asus cracks under pressure… blames AMD for overheating Navi GPUs and other issues.

Also the rule is never buy a card that does not support the full current DX feature set. Such a card is worthless.
Really he should wait for the next set of cards from both manufactures to release. He wants RT performance and future proof. That rules out the whole AMD 6000 series, all the lower end cards have absolute garbage DXR performance. The RTX 2060 is a faster card.

I am honest, the Ray Tracing support is the reason why I took a step back on the 6600 and forward on the RTX 2060 12Gb (also I see the benches here in the reviews), it is not essential,
but I would like to be able to use it.
I know it's not that popular right now, but I was looking for something future proof.

This is Cyberpunk 2077 1080p. 6600 loses to the 2060 in RASTER. Gets worse at 1440p.

Avoid the RX 6600 at all costs. The 2060 super is a better card all round. Raster and DXR. source

Note the lack of RT benchmarks in a RS 6600 review, that because the card really cant do RT due to performance issues.

The RX 6600 normally outgunned the RTX 2060, but more often than not fell behind cards like the RTX 2060 Super and RTX 2070 - and this is at 1080p, where we expect AMD to perform well. At 1440p, or in games with ray tracing enabled, the RX 6600 really struggles. The combination of both 1440p and RT is absolutely brutal for the RX 6600; in our tests, the RTX 3060 was anywhere from 43 percent to 69 percent faster. source

For a gamer the RX 6600 has no future, at the moment its performance cant match a 2060 super. There is a review called, "AMD Radeon RX 6600 review: The opposite of future-proof" source
GeForce RTX 2060 Dual 12288MB sells at the same price as the RX 6600 were I live but I would not call the card future proof. Its good enough if you play with game settings like lower DLSS quality. Totally usable in RT titles at 1080p with all the RT features turned on, DLSS really saves this card. There is no point in getting a RTX 2070 over a RTX 2060 12GB. eBay will net you a RTX 2080 super second hand for the same money were I live.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If a minimum amount of future proofing is desired, I would buy the 2060 12 GB (relatively solid drivers, NVENC, DLSS, and more memory). Otherwise I would get the RX 6600. Either way you go should work, but I believe that the 2060 12G might just offer you a little more as long as the price is the same. Being a R9 Fury X owner you are aware that the 4 GB memory is its worst limitation even now with year out of date drivers, and 8 GB is not exactly a lot of memory anymore either. Cheers

 

[Kapone33]

The 2060 can run RT at 1080p with DLSS no problems. Also he is interested in RT so the 6600 or 6650 AMD are just garbage for RTing. The RX5700 XT card should be avoided at all costs. See Asus cracks under pressure… blames AMD for overheating Navi GPUs and other issues.

Also the rule is never buy a card that does not support the full current DX feature set. Such a card is worthless.
Really he should wait for the next set of cards from both manufactures to release. He wants RT performance and future proof. That rules out the whole AMD 6000 series, all the lower end cards have absolute garbage DXR performance. The RTX 2060 is a faster card.



This is Cyberpunk 2077 1080p. 6600 loses to the 2060 in RASTER. Gets worse at 1440p.

Avoid the RX 6600 at all costs. The 2060 super is a better card all round. Raster and DXR. source

Note the lack of RT benchmarks in a RS 6600 review, that because the card really cant do RT due to performance issues.


For a gamer the RX 6600 has no future, at the moment its performance cant match a 2060 super. There is a review called, "AMD Radeon RX 6600 review: The opposite of future-proof" source
GeForce RTX 2060 Dual 12288MB sells at the same price as the RX 6600 were I live but I would not call the card future proof. Its good enough if you play with game settings like lower DLSS quality. Totally usable in RT titles at 1080p with all the RT features turned on, DLSS really saves this card. There is no point in getting a RTX 2070 over a RTX 2060 12GB. eBay will net you a RTX 2080 super second hand for the same money were I live.

What exactly is your issue with AMD?


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[zx128k]

What exactly is your issue with AMD?


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Poor benchmark results.

 

[P4-630]

The 2060 can run RT at 1080p with DLSS no problems. Also he is interested in RT so the 6600 or 6650 AMD are just garbage for RTing. The RX5700 XT card should be avoided at all costs. See Asus cracks under pressure… blames AMD for overheating Navi GPUs and other issues.

Also the rule is never buy a card that does not support the full current DX feature set. Such a card is worthless.
Really he should wait for the next set of cards from both manufactures to release. He wants RT performance and future proof. That rules out the whole AMD 6000 series, all the lower end cards have absolute garbage DXR performance. The RTX 2060 is a faster card.



This is Cyberpunk 2077 1080p. 6600 loses to the 2060 in RASTER. Gets worse at 1440p.

Avoid the RX 6600 at all costs. The 2060 super is a better card all round. Raster and DXR. source

Note the lack of RT benchmarks in a RS 6600 review, that because the card really cant do RT due to performance issues.


For a gamer the RX 6600 has no future, at the moment its performance cant match a 2060 super. There is a review called, "AMD Radeon RX 6600 review: The opposite of future-proof" source
GeForce RTX 2060 Dual 12288MB sells at the same price as the RX 6600 were I live but I would not call the card future proof. Its good enough if you play with game settings like lower DLSS quality. Totally usable in RT titles at 1080p with all the RT features turned on, DLSS really saves this card. There is no point in getting a RTX 2070 over a RTX 2060 12GB. eBay will net you a RTX 2080 super second hand for the same money were I live.

OP mentioned 1080p and you are showing graphs 1440p...

I don't think I'll get out of FHD anytime soon

 

[Kapone33]

Poor benchmark results.

Ah so all of your opinions are based on benchmarks...Interesting, explains a lot.

 

[Nike_486DX]

nvidia drivers are better and the green cards retain their value for longer on the used market (2 proven facts). Also 10-15% difference in performance is just snake oil, you wont notice it. But 2060-2070 range is kinda low imo to step up from a r9 fury (gtx 1070), if you could save more cash towards a 3070 that would be the hands down best value for money. Keep in mind that gpu prices are already getting back to normal so no need to pay scalper prices.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Get whatever is faster at rasterization none of those cards are fast enough for RT. If RT is important to you step up at least to the 3060ti.....

Honestly it is kind of a bad time to buy anything none of the lower mid tier cards are all that appealing. Shame you can't hold off for next gen cards everything out right now is pretty old and AMD cards suck at RT especially when there are multiple effects implemented...

Tier for tier if you couldn't care less about RT though AMD is the way to go assuming they are at least 10-15% cheaper.

 

[looniam]

lol whose been passing around the kool aide

New in DirectX— Feature Level 12_2 - DirectX Developer Blog

What’s a feature level? If you’re a game developer who has spent any amount of time with computer hardware, or perhaps a computer game which simulates working with it, you will know that graphics cards are not all the same. There’s differentiation. Differentiation not only of overall performance...

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Q: Which hardware platforms will support feature level 12_2?​

A: We’re absolutely pleased to inform that:

• Feature level 12_2 is supported on NVIDIA GeForce RTX and NVIDIA Quadro RTX GPUs.
• AMD’s upcoming RDNA 2 architecture based GPUs will include full feature level 12_2 support.
• Intel’s roadmap includes discrete GPUs that will empower developers to take full advantage of Feature Level 12_2.
• Microsoft is collaborating with Qualcomm to bring the benefits of DirectX feature level 12_2 to Snapdragon platforms.

nvidia has a leg up due to dedicated hardware that devs just need to tick a box w/supplied NV tools and not all RT is just reflections.

as far as futureproofing - can we say tessellation?

 

[zx128k]

I have a 2060, you can play all RT games at 1080p. The big problem is that will change fast, the card is on the edge. I replace it with a RTX 3080 TI because the RT was better. Basically as the RX 6000 series is cut down this affects RT performance massively. A RX 6900xt is basically a RTX 3070 ti for RT performance but with much faster raster performance. The RTX 3080 12GB is the best card for future proofing and performance but is expensive. Amd Ryzen 5 2600 system will loss a lot of the perfomance you see in benchmarks and a AMD R9 Fury X lack the DX12u feature set.

I think a modest gpu upgrade if neccessary is required. I would be looking at a 3060 ti but not above a RTX 3070 ti. Graphics cards will be replaced soon and PSU's will be replaced with a new standard. Your CPU, motherboard and RAM will need to also be replaced. The motherboard if lucky could take a 5800x3d but that is a stop gap. Your RAM is only 3200MT/s.

Your PSU is a BeQuiet' Dark Power Pro 11 650W. A stock 3070 ti requires a 750 watts on nvidia's website. A 3070 requires a 650 watts PSU as per nvidia's website. A RTX 3070 ti is not a good upgrade option.
A RTX 3060 ti requires 600 watts and a 3060 requires 550 watts. A 2060 supper requires a 550 watts PSU. A 2080 super 650 watts. source

An AMD RX 6600 requires a 450 watts PSU. An AMD RX 6600XT requires a 500 watts and an AMD RX 6650XT requires a 500 watts.

You have a power draw budget to live under as well. A RTX 3070 ti is not a target upgrade and the 3070 is on the edge. So is 2080/2080 ti. The 3060 ti is the best out of the choices available. source The 3060 ti is cheaper were I live than the 6700xt. The price of the RX 6600xt for some versions are equal to the RTX 3060 ti. Thats the card I would target. The 3060 is cheaper and faster in RT than the RX 6600XT, what you likely lose in raster you gain in RT performance. Your local prices may vary but the 3060/3060 TI are better balanced between raster and RT performance. They are within your PSU's power limit.

Remember you will have to account for the loss in performance due to the CPU and slower RAM speeds. Both cards will be capped below there maximum raster performance by your cpu. This will make them more or less equal in raster. What will not be equal is RT performance. NVidia is your only choice.

 

[Kapone33]

I have a 2060, you can play all RT games at 1080p. The big problem is that will change fast, the card is on the edge. I replace it with a RTX 3080 TI because the RT was better. Basically as the RX 6000 series is cut down this affects RT performance massively. A RX 6900xt is basically a RTX 3070 ti for RT performance but with much faster raster performance. The RTX 3080 12GB is the best card for future proofing and performance but is expensive. Amd Ryzen 5 2600 system will loss a lot of the perfomance you see in benchmarks and a AMD R9 Fury X lack the DX12u feature set.

I think a modest gpu upgrade if neccessary is required. I would be looking at a 3060 ti but not above a RTX 3070 ti. Graphics cards will be replaced soon and PSU's will be replaced with a new standard. Your CPU, motherboard and RAM will need to also be replaced. The motherboard if lucky could take a 5800x3d but that is a stop gap. Your RAM is only 3200MT/s.

Your PSU is a BeQuiet' Dark Power Pro 11 650W. A stock 3070 ti requires a 750 watts on nvidia's website. A 3070 requires a 650 watts PSU as per nvidia's website. A RTX 3070 ti is not a good upgrade option.
A RTX 3060 ti requires 600 watts and a 3060 requires 550 watts. A 2060 supper requires a 550 watts PSU. A 2080 super 650 watts. source

An AMD RX 6600 requires a 450 watts PSU. An AMD RX 6600XT requires a 500 watts and an AMD RX 6650XT requires a 500 watts.

You have a power draw budget to live under as well. A RTX 3070 ti is not a target upgrade and the 3070 is on the edge. So is 2080/2080 ti. The 3060 ti is the best out of the choices available. source The 3060 ti is cheaper were I live than the 6700xt. The price of the RX 6600xt for some versions are equal to the RTX 3060 ti. Thats the card I would target. The 3060 is cheaper and faster in RT than the RX 6600XT, what you likely lose in raster you gain in RT performance. Your local prices may vary but the 3060/3060 TI are better balanced between raster and RT performance. They are within your PSU's power limit.

Remember you will have to account for the loss in performance due to the CPU and slower RAM speeds. Both cards will be capped below there maximum raster performance by your cpu. This will make them more or less equal in raster. What will not be equal is RT performance. NVidia is your only choice.

Time has proven to say that everything you are saying is wrong. I am not going to expand as you do not respond directly but your relentless support for Nvidia screams FAN BOY to anyone with common sense. Nvidia loves to gimp their hardware to make you buy the new but I guess that is not true. I am willing to bet that in 3 years the 6800XT will be faster than the 3080TI. As much as that is all conjecture it is much more fact based than what you are trying to say. The 6600 is not as expensive as the 3060TI

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