I3 10105f or Celeron G6900?

[the ram]

The i3 is much more powerful i know but the lga 1700 platform is modern and soon i could buy a faster cpu like an i3 12300 or i5 12400 also if i go with the celeron i can save the gpu for now while i save for an rx 6600 or Something similar, what do you think? at first it went with am4. but here the ryzen are very expensive.

Those are the options in motherboard.

Asrock Z590 steel legend 190$ or Asus z690m plus d4 245$.

B660, h670, h610, b560,h510 are extreme overpriced here so that was i choose z chipset cuz prices are closer to msrp.

 

[P4-630]

Save up for at least an i5.
Don't buy the lousy 2 thread Celeron, you will regret that, it's not a gaming CPU.

 

[The red spirit]

Do not go bellow i3. i3 is great for gaming, save up for some card and it's a decent value combo. Z chipsets still don't make sense and if you buy low end Z board, you will likely get shitty VRMs with it. i3 12100(F) + 16GB DDR4 + B660 board with RX 6600 today is the best value combo out there. 500 series chipsets don't even support alder lake chips, don't buy board with it and i3 12100(F).

 

[damric]

The i3 is much more powerful i know but the lga 1700 platform is modern and soon i could buy a faster cpu like an i3 12300 or i5 12400 also if i go with the celeron i can save the gpu for now while i save for an rx 6600 or Something similar, what do you think? at first it went with am4. but here the ryzen are very expensive.

Those are the options in motherboard.

Asrock Z590 steel legend 190$ or Asus z690m plus d4 245$.

B660, h670, h610, b560,h510 are extreme overpriced here so that was i choose z chipset cuz prices are closer to msrp.

What is your country location? I just so happen to have some spare AM4 parts on hand this week.

 

[the ram]

I'm latam from Venezuela.

 

[GerKNG]

do not buy a quadcore. period.

 

[Nike_486DX]

if getting a g6900 also allows you to get a decent B660 (socket 1700) mobo, then i would personally get the Celeron, then survive a bit and finally switch to a i3 12100. There is just no point in holding onto lga 1200 platform, its dead and its been junk during its entire lifetime (11900k is the highest you can go, and its lousy performance). If you are on a tight budget, go 1151 v2, if you want better perf, get 1700. And forget about 1200.

Keep in mind the gpu market deficit factor, because if you dont have the opportunity to get a decent (3060ti or higher) gpu, then you wont see crazy high fps anyways. Just get the celeron, then when the market goes back to normal you just upgrade to 12100 and get a decent gpu alongside with it.

 

[tussinman]

Neither.

Counter productive to buy a weak CPU and "then wait to save for a 6600" then when you do buy the 6600 you have to immediately turn around and wait to upgrade the CPU AGAIN because the one you originally bought will signficantly hold back a 6600

Save up for at least an i5.
Don't buy the lousy 2 thread Celeron, you will regret that, it's not a gaming CPU.

Agreed. Also kinda pointless to sit on a celeron for the purpose of saving for a 6600 then when you buy the 6600 you once again have to sit around and wait to buy a different CPU that better utilizes the 6600.

At that point there is no point in even owning the original bought CPU if were being honest ?

 

[Sithaer]

Do not go bellow i3. i3 is great for gaming, save up for some card and it's a decent value combo. Z chipsets still don't make sense and if you buy low end Z board, you will likely get shitty VRMs with it. i3 12100(F) + 16GB DDR4 + B660 board with RX 6600 today is the best value combo out there. 500 series chipsets don't even support alder lake chips, don't buy board with it and i3 12100(F).

I would second this in general but then the same crap will happen like in the other topic so I will only leave this 1 reply here then leave it be. 'not gonna go over the same pointless discussion all over again..'

For what its worth I do use a 12100F for months now and I have exactly 0 issues with it, its the best for a lower budget range and a good base build to have for casual gaming.
There is not a single game currently on the market that you can't run with it, basically whatever the prev gen i5 10400/11400 can run so does the 12100 if not better in some cases.
TPU has a 12100 review, do read it or check the one made by GamersNexus for example.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i3-12100f/

It wont bottleneck a 6600 either, its good for about 3060 Ti performance GPU w/o bottlenecking it much or so but I wouldn't go higher on the GPU side with the i3.

 

[Frick]

do not buy a quadcore. period.

Sure, because everyone has the money you do.

Neither.

Counter productive to buy a weak CPU and "then wait to save for a 6600" then when you do buy the 6600 you have to immediately turn around and wait to upgrade the CPU AGAIN because the one you originally bought will signficantly hold back a 6600

So which games are significantly held back by that i3 and a RX6600?


That i3 is a nice thing. Buy that plus the cheapest compatible motherboard you can find, whatever the chipset.

OP is clearly a person on a budget. Be realistic.

 

[The red spirit]

There is not a single game currently on the market that you can't run with it, basically whatever the prev gen i5 10400/11400 can run so does the 12100 if not better in some cases.

Correction 1:
i3 12100 is straight up faster than 10400F. i3s MT scores are virtually the same as i5's, yet it has less but faster cores. Since i5 11400 is just i5 10400F with better RAM support, i3 beats them both. In fact, this i3 is matching 10600K numbers in gaming.

It wont bottleneck a 6600 either, its good for about 3060 Ti performance GPU w/o bottlenecking it much or so but I wouldn't go higher on the GPU side with the i3.

That's super conservative. It will be fine even with RTX 3080 and if it won't, then anything today won't be either, because games still only use so many cores (4 cores and 8 threads) and so having more cores won't do any good, since they won't be utilized. We are limited by single core performance, therefore, higher end chip won't do much, since it can only offer a small improvement to clock speed and some cache size upgrades. That's not much at all.

 

[damric]

I'm latam from Venezuela.

It would cost me about $100 to ship but it's a board/RAM/CPU/cooler (2700X/B450/B-die/Prism for $200). I wish we could forum crowd fund these kinds of thing in these situations. It's bad enough when I ship even small things to our Canadian members.

 

[P4-630]

because games still only use so many cores (4 cores and 8 threads) and so having more cores won't do any good, since they won't be utilized.

I guess you never tried this setting:

 

[The red spirit]

I guess you never tried this setting:
View attachment 249886

I don't know what exactly it does, but game engines are limited to 4c/8t CPU tasks and I'm sure that it's set to auto by default as older games might break if it's forced on.

 

[QuietBob]

If you intend to build a new budget gaming rig, I'd strongly recommend going with the i3-12100F. Save up until you can afford the whole platform. You will want at least a 4c/8t CPU for modern games, so the 2c/2t Celeron G6900 shouldn't be considered for that purpose.

An Alder Lake i3 coupled with a lower mid-range video card, such as the RX 6600 or RTX 3060 (plus 16 GB of low latency RAM and an SSD) will enable you to play any current AAA title at 60+ fps, with almost maximum detail.

 

[P4-630]

I don't know what exactly it does, but game engines are limited to 4c/8t CPU tasks and I'm sure that it's set to auto by default as older games might break if it's forced on.

This is the CPU usage when I enable that with GTA V

Edit: tested on Auto, the same usage, but the point is, GTA V can use more then 8 threads.

 

[tussinman]

So which games are significantly held back by that i3 and a RX6600?


That i3 is a nice thing. Buy that plus the cheapest compatible motherboard you can find, whatever the chipset.

OP is clearly a person on a budget. Be realistic.

The i3 in the opening post he was looking (10150f) is the equivalent of a seven year old 6700k.

Coming from someone who has a nearly identical chip himself (me) yes it will hold it back significantly.

I am a realist, check my posting history and I have defended older hardware for budget-minded people,

Me not advocating basically 7-year-old i7 hardware and waiting is hardly me being a snob or not realistic.

 

[Frick]

The i3 in the opening post he was looking (10150f) is the equivalent of a seven year old 6700k.

Coming from someone who has a nearly identical chip himself (me) yes it will hold it back significantly.

I am a realist, check my posting history and I have defended older hardware for budget-minded people,

Me not advocating basically 7-year-old i7 hardware and waiting is hardly me being a snob or not realistic.

Hold him back compared to what, and held back how exactly? The 6700k is still very ok for gaming (especially on a budget!), but Comet Lake is definitely faster clock for clock.

 

[The red spirit]

This is the CPU usage when I enable that with GTA V

View attachment 249887

Edit: tested on Auto, the same usage, but the point is, GTA V can use more then 8 threads.

But does your fps and 1% lows increase as result of that?

but Comet Lake is definitely faster clock for clock.

Not really. Skylake rebranding continued up to Comet Lake and yes i3 10100 was still just polished Skylake. Later launched Rocket Lake chips lacked how end product and that was the last time Skylake arch got rebranded. Most improvements were made in thermals and in clock speed over this time, but architecture didn't change, same with lithography. And IPC actually regressed a bit after Broadwell, but that was compensated with higher clock speeds.

 

[eidairaman1]

Save up your money

 

[tussinman]

Hold him back compared to what,

Compared to a more modern CPU. I've tested my 2060 (which is slighty slower than the 6600 he wants) on both my setup and my brothers 5600 and everything from average FPS to 1% lows are WAY better on the 5600x (I can go a tier higher on the graphic settings and still get 15-20FPS higher on most games on the 5600 and never see dips below 50 where my old i7 i'm seeing bad dips into the 20s and 30s)

6700k level performance on modern games on modern midrange cards isn't good, it will technically run but I wouldn't invest brand new MSRP money on it especially when TC has already said he's fine waiting not once but twice (he's fine waiting for a video card and he's fine waiting for a better CPU)

If he already had the setup or he was getting a really really good price then that's completely different. Him investing MSRP money on the full setup (ram, motherboard, cpu) and having so little confidence in it that he's already thinking about upgrading it when he hasn't even bought it yet brings me to the obvious conclusion of it's probably better to wait

The 6700k is still very ok for gaming (especially on a budget!), but Comet Lake is definitely faster clock for clock.

It isn't faster clock for clock,

Wizard even wrote on both i3 10000 series reviews "The per-core performance (IPC) of these chips is identical to Skylake". The 10150f has a slightly higher core clock then the 6700k but is negated by the 6700k having more cache. i3 is more power efficent though

Save up your money

That's what I would do, especially since it's not like he already has the graphic card. I don't see the point in getting a super lowend setup with the sole purpose of already immediately planning on upgrading it

EDIT: Going to also add TC had a recent thread where he was looking at an APU or a higher end CPU but with a lowend card to run video since the higher end CPU didn't have IGPU. Makes me believe he doesn't already have a video card.

If that's the case then then be aware that the i3 10105F doesn't have intergrated graphics

 

[oobymach]

You will be better off with the i3 than the celeron, if you're just gaming the i3 will be fine for now but you may want to upgrade down the line. Make sure you get a good mobo (name brand) capable of fast ram speeds. The 2 you listed the Asrock maxes out @4800mhz ram the Asus goes up to 5300mhz but I would recommend 6000mhz ddr5 support as it can reach 100+gbps speeds.

Spend a little extra on the mobo for now, at least 2 m.2 slots one for boot drive one for game drive so you can enjoy the speed.

 

[R0H1T]

Why are you going with a Z chipset if you're getting a locked CPU, even if it's on a "deal"

That's backward thinking, just get a lower end board & much better CPU like a cheap i5 or something!

 

[Frick]

Why are you going with a Z chipset if you're getting a locked CPU, even if it's on a "deal"

That's backward thinking, just get a lower end board & much better CPU like a cheap i5 or something!

The very first post adresses this.

Compared to a more modern CPU. I've tested my 2060 (which is slighty slower than the 6600 he wants) on both my setup and my brothers 5600 and everything from average FPS to 1% lows are WAY better on the 5600x (I can go a tier higher on the graphic settings and still get 15-20FPS higher on most games on the 5600 and never see dips below 50 where my old i7 i'm seeing bad dips into the 20s and 30s)

6700k level performance on modern games on modern midrange cards isn't good, it will technically run but I wouldn't invest brand new MSRP money on it especially when TC has already said he's fine waiting not once but twice (he's fine waiting for a video card and he's fine waiting for a better CPU)

If he already had the setup or he was getting a really really good price then that's completely different. Him investing MSRP money on the full setup (ram, motherboard, cpu) and having so little confidence in it that he's already thinking about upgrading it when he hasn't even bought it yet brings me to the obvious conclusion of it's probably better to wait

It isn't faster clock for clock,

Wizard even wrote on both i3 10000 series reviews "The per-core performance (IPC) of these chips is identical to Skylake". The 10150f has a slightly higher core clock then the 6700k but is negated by the 6700k having more cache. i3 is more power efficent though

In which games and on what settings? My 2600x isn't a gaming monster and I was never really held back by it when I had a Geforce 2060.

 

[AusWolf]

if getting a g6900 also allows you to get a decent B660 (socket 1700) mobo, then i would personally get the Celeron, then survive a bit and finally switch to a i3 12100. There is just no point in holding onto lga 1200 platform, its dead and its been junk during its entire lifetime (11900k is the highest you can go, and its lousy performance). If you are on a tight budget, go 1151 v2, if you want better perf, get 1700. And forget about 1200.

Keep in mind the gpu market deficit factor, because if you dont have the opportunity to get a decent (3060ti or higher) gpu, then you wont see crazy high fps anyways. Just get the celeron, then when the market goes back to normal you just upgrade to 12100 and get a decent gpu alongside with it.

What's the point of buying a £60 Celeron to save up for a £100 Core i3 over a longer period? Why not save for another month and buy the i3 straight away?

Do not go bellow i3. i3 is great for gaming, save up for some card and it's a decent value combo. Z chipsets still don't make sense and if you buy low end Z board, you will likely get shitty VRMs with it. i3 12100(F) + 16GB DDR4 + B660 board with RX 6600 today is the best value combo out there. 500 series chipsets don't even support alder lake chips, don't buy board with it and i3 12100(F).

This!