X58 overclocking club

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

Well sh**, now I'm genuinely confused. Your screenshot for the Mainboard tab in CPUz is letter to letter the same as mine AND you're running an Ampere card, where did I go wrong

 

[MachineLearning]

Well sh**, now I'm genuinely confused. Your screenshot for the Mainboard tab in CPUz is letter to letter the same as mine AND you're running an Ampere card, where did I go wrong

You read Lex's post? EVGA cards seem to still support legacy BIOSes
Honestly in general, if buying nVidia I'd buy EVGA.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well sh**, now I'm genuinely confused.

Me too.

where did I go wrong

It might be a vendor thing. Some card makers might still be supporting legacy systems with RTX 30x0 cards while others are not. NVidia themselve are not officially supporting systems with Legacy BIOS.

You read Lex's post? EVGA cards seem to still support legacy BIOSes
Honestly in general, if buying nVidia I'd buy EVGA.

To be fair, I have not personally tested any RTX30x0 cards in any legacy systems. However, it stands to reason that EVGA would be one of the companies to do so.

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

You read Lex's post? EVGA cards seem to still support legacy BIOSes
Honestly in general, if buying nVidia I'd buy EVGA.

I did, but I genuinely had "come on" reaction, AIB's can't have that much control, can they?

It might be a vendor thing. Some card makers might still be supporting legacy systems with RTX 30x0 cards while others are not. NVidia themselve are not officially supporting systems with Legacy BIOS.

I know EVGA goes the extra mile, could it really be just a support thing at the firmware level? I mean proof is in the pudding with the screenshot @Ayrton posted. The RTX card I got was the ASUS TUF 3080 12GB OC, thought in the end it was a high VRAM thing - but now @Ayrton has confirmed 12gb on his card running with a P6T Deluxe v2 (Rev. 12) as well. I was originally gunning for a EVGA 3070/3080 XC3 Ultra, but the ASUS dropped to a good price and was in stock, guess maybe I can try my luck with EVGA if it ever pop's in stock.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I was originally gunning for a EVGA 3070/3080 XC3 Ultra, but the ASUS dropped to a good price and was in stock, guess maybe I can try my luck with EVGA if it ever pop's in stock.

Give some serious thought to a 2070 or 2080. For x58, those two really are the best value.

 

[MachineLearning]

I did, but I genuinely had "come on" reaction, AIB's can't have that much control, can they?

I know EVGA goes the extra mile, could it really be just a support thing at the firmware level? I mean proof is in the pudding with the screenshot @Ayrton posted. The RTX card I got was the ASUS TUF 3080 12GB OC, thought in the end it was a high VRAM thing - but now @Ayrton has confirmed 12gb on his card running with a P6T Deluxe v2 (Rev. 12) as well. I was originally gunning for a EVGA 3070/3080 XC3 Ultra, but the ASUS dropped to a good price and was in stock, guess maybe I can try my luck with EVGA if it ever pop's in stock.

A lot of UEFI video cards have hybrid BIOSes so they will work in legacy systems. It's possible that since Ampere, nVidia no longer requires (or no longer automatically adds/enables) this function. After that, it's up to the AIB.

They have quite some control - how else can there be custom power limits, clock speeds, subvendor, etc.?

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

A lot of UEFI video cards have hybrid BIOSes so they will work in legacy systems. It's possible that since Ampere, nVidia no longer requires (or no longer automatically adds/enables) this function. After that, it's up to the AIB.

They have quite some control - how else can there be custom power limits, clock speeds, subvendor, etc.?

Have no reply, that all makes sense. Well, there's still hope then, just want a nice 4k 60fps god of war experience

Pesky Canada is very slow to drop the EVGA cards to MSRP levels, ASUS is the 1st and consistent too. Thanks boys, you've given me hope.

@lexluthermiester If I see a sealed 2070/2080 I'll keep it on the radar

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester If I see a sealed 2070/2080 I'll keep it on the radar

In that case, a 3060ti might be your best bet.

 

[Ayrton]

I don't know how much this may be helpful, but I did have to disable "quick boot" to get the card going and the Nvidia drivers installed. Once it was up and running, I turned QB back on.

 

[freeagent]

A little bit of the opposite.. my board goes into some kind of compatibility mode when I use my Asus GTX 580.. resolution in UEFI is like.. 1024x768 or something. I don't know exactly, but it is very low rez. I was curious about Ampere and X58. Yet again I am kicking myself for selling it.

 

[rhkcommander959]

Wish I could find a legacy M.2 drive like those samsungs, without paying an arm and leg for old hardware.

I'm still using x5670 at 4.2ghz, on an asus p6x58d-e with 3x4 2000mhz. Wanted to try 6x8 ddr3-2400, I know thats the upper limit if I'm lucky. Would also like to push the oc for 4.4 or 4.5 for some fun.

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

I don't know how much this may be helpful, but I did have to disable "quick boot" to get the card going and the Nvidia drivers installed. Once it was up and running, I turned QB back on.

Hmmm my quick boot was on, maybe that was the issue then. I did read on another forum someone had to enable express gate, I was like naw that’s stupid. I’m not enabling that bloat.

Overall I took all this as a sign that the Asus card wasn’t for me. Tbh it didn’t fit my case as good as I would have liked.

A little bit of the opposite.. my board goes into some kind of compatibility mode when I use my Asus GTX 580.. resolution in UEFI is like.. 1024x768 or something. I don't know exactly, but it is very low rez. I was curious about Ampere and X58. Yet again I am kicking myself for selling it.

Prices are coming down, maybe it’s time. I’m kicking myself for not offloading my 1660 super when it was almost fetching double MSRP back in November ‘21.

 

[freeagent]

Prices are coming down, maybe it’s time. I’m kicking myself for not offloading my 1660 super when it was almost fetching double MSRP back in November ‘21.

My 3070 Ti will die with me lol. Kind of like my 580 but it still lives lol..

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

My 3070 Ti will die with me lol. Kind of like my 580 but it still lives lol..

That’s the spirit, I say the same for my x58 lol

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

Such a bummer of a weekend, just getting over it...

I finally got my hands on a very close to MSRP RTX 3080 to replace my 1660 super, got a new EVGA 850w P2 platinum to update my 650w PSU too. After putting it altogether the troubleshooting began. Nothing for the life of me would post the 3080, tried:
-Re-updateing mobo BIOS to latest version
-running an HDMI 2.0, and then 2.1
-changing PCI-e slots
-enabling ACPI 2.0
-updating latest NVIDIA driver with a DDU clean while 1660s installed
-setting TV to game mode, and then normal with input signal plus (Samsung Q60t)

Dropping in my 1660 super posts, confirming all cables are plugged in properly. The RTX card posted on my friends newer hardware.

For any future lurkers, P6T deluxe v2 (Rev. 12) is a no-go for Ampere cards. Black screen just like others on Rev. 12 ASUS Rampage II and III's if you lurk google. Sucks to hit a physical hard wall on my x58, but glad I was able to return it all for a full refund. I guess 1660 super is the highest I can go on my rig, F.

EDIT: Other users with the same P6T Deluxe v2 board as mine have gotten an Ampere card running, until I get my hands on an EVGA card I will keep this open.


Small request, any chance you're able to post a screenshot of the "mainboard" tab within CPUz (assuming you have it). Wondering if you're running the same revision board I have.

Also what GPU you using?

SUCCESS!!

Looks like disabling quick boot in my BIOS was the culprit, tried it on and off, disabled allowed the card to post. Confirmed and RTX 3070 XC3 boots on a P6T Deluxe v2 (rev.12).

 

[lexluthermiester]

SUCCESS!!

Looks like disabling quick boot in my BIOS was the culprit, tried it on and off, disabled allowed the card to post. Confirmed and RTX 3070 XC3 boots on a P6 Deluxe v2 (rev.12).

Good to know! I'll remember this!

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

Good to know! I'll remember this!

Funny enough, after the GPU does it's "thing" and gets settled in Windows, you can go back and enable quick boot and it will post. Legacy BIOS's never cease to amaze me on how they interact with more modern hardware.

Still qualifies as x58 overclocking to an extent, RTX 3070 undervolted to 0.900mv @ 1950mhz OC + 600mhz on the memory. Loving the temperatures on a 12 hour heaven maxed 4k run.

 

[rhkcommander959]

Nice! That combo holds up to 4K pretty good too, x58 falls on 1080 but 4K not so much. What speed on the x5650?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Funny enough, after the GPU does it's "thing" and gets settled in Windows, you can go back and enable quick boot and it will post. Legacy BIOS's never cease to amaze me on how they interact with more modern hardware.

I'll agree. Weird!

Loving the temperatures on a 12 hour heaven maxed 4k run.

You don't need that. An hour or two and you have proven stability.

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

Nice! That combo holds up to 4K pretty good too, x58 falls on 1080 but 4K not so much. What speed on the x5650?

2 profiles, 4.0 eco and 4.4 for some extra oomph. TBH the 4.4 @ 1.36vcore squeezes only a little gain, the 4.0 @ 1.28vcore does plenty in the real world, lower temps and TDP too.

You don't need that. An hour or two and you have proven stability.

Forgot to add I have an HTPC setup, I turn the AC off in the condo when I leave and come back for lunch. Temps are in the double here, so an opportunity to check the HWINFO logs and set the my fans appropriately for all components to play nice in prep for summer. I'll say this, the 3070 idles nice at 32, hit with any load it shoots too 50+, my 1660s in comparison did 42 with similar tasks. Ampere runs toasty, I fear for what the 40xx cards will do.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ampere runs toasty, I fear for what the 40xx cards will do.

True and right there with you.

 

[rhkcommander959]

2 profiles, 4.0 eco and 4.4 for some extra oomph. TBH the 4.4 @ 1.36vcore squeezes only a little gain, the 4.0 @ 1.28vcore does plenty in the real world, lower temps and TDP too.

Nice! My x5670 does 4.2 daily at about 1.28v, with 3x4 DDR3-2000 on an ASUS P6X58D-E. I am running custom water cooling with a high-fin density triple rad so that might be why I can run slightly faster, or luck of the silicon draw, haven't yet ventured above 4.5 here but I might try again this summer.

I'd like to get six sticks of ddr3-2400 just to see if the old beast will do it but probably won't get around to it. More important would be an M.2 drive with legacy support so I can boot from it without clover or other work arounds. I'm still using an r9 290X on it, such a hot power hog now!

I've been tinkering on X299 over the years too, loved both platforms but x58 has so much staying power! Just wish we were given one more round of motherboards with more features ironed out.

 

[Tomgang]

So you guys are parring a RTX 3080 and like wise cards with X58 and people a few years ago called me crazy to pair my own X58 system with a GTX 1080 TI. But cool it still works. All throw cpu and PCIe gen 2 is a bottleneck. But who cares, it´s a matter of having fun with X58. I had fun while i had my X58.

My own system is here, for those curious or havent seen it yet: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/x58-overclocking-club.293221/post-4725377

All throw i dont have it any more, i am having fun in another way now with my current system.

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

Nice! My x5670 does 4.2 daily at about 1.28v, with 3x4 DDR3-2000 on an ASUS P6X58D-E. I am running custom water cooling with a high-fin density triple rad so that might be why I can run slightly faster, or luck of the silicon draw, haven't yet ventured above 4.5 here but I might try again this summer.

Definitely a silicon victory. x5650 ain't no polished better bin, but still trades blows. Can't complain for $10

So you guys are parring a RTX 3080 and like wise cards with X58 and people a few years ago called me crazy to pair my own X58 system with a GTX 1080 TI. But cool it still works. All throw cpu and PCIe gen 2 is a bottleneck. But who cares, it´s a matter of having fun with X58. I had fun while i had my X58.

Story of an x58 life lol. Watching my buddy setup his new system, everything seemed so sterile with hardly much room for error or imagination. I swear he had more control over RGB than tweak core system components. Newer things, one wrong step and it's bricked, or severely locked from an end-user position.

 

[Keullo-e]

X5675 @ 4.5GHz right now. Needs some voltage and I don't know about the stability, Prime95 makes it throttle so well, I'm testing its stability via gaming. Crashed once, I had to increase the vcore.

I also upgraded the GPU from HD 7970 to R9 290X as I got one practically for half free. I'm surprised how fine that setup still runs even modern games (unless it's about the CPU instructions)