When will gpu prices return to normal.

[AnotherReader]

AMD's GPUs from the RX 6600 to the 6700 XT are now below MSRP for some models in Canada. However, Nvidia's equivalents, with the exception of the 3060 Ti, are still overpriced. Compare the 3060 to the 6600 XT:

Even the 3050 is overpriced compared to the significantly faster RX 6600:

 

[tussinman]

AMD's GPUs from the RX 6600 to the 6700 XT are now below MSRP for some models in Canada. However, Nvidia's equivalents, with the exception of the 3060 Ti, are still overpriced. Compare the 3060 to the 6600 XT:

It's the same in the US.

RTX 3050 (which is like the same performance as a 2016 era GTX 1070) is currently selling for the same price as the 6600XT which is a joke.

EVGA (whose supposedly claiming that they sell directly through there website at MSRP prices) is currently selling the 3060 non-ti (aka a 4 year old RTX 2070) for such an inflated price that the RX 6700 is currently only $35 more dollars........

 

[ARF]

I think we've must have watched a different movie.

On the price thing we the consumers are what drives the pricing full stop period.
AMD and NVIDIA can ask $5k for entry level GPUs if they want but if they get it it's all on us.
If we can take anything from the shortage is that people have more money than common sense.
Anybody complaining about the pricing but reached in their wallet and paid the scalper price it's on you brother.
Food and water are necessities GPUs are not.

Yes, that is the reason why the PC market is in the worst condition in decades and probably will continue to shrink.

Nvidia’s gaming graphics card sales are down 44% compared to last quarter Nvidia GPU sales are dropping fast – and price tags could well follow | TechRadar

 

[80-watt Hamster]

It's the same in the US.

RTX 3050 (which is like the same performance as a 2016 era GTX 1070) is currently selling for the same price as the 6600XT which is a joke.

EVGA (whose supposedly claiming that they sell directly through there website at MSRP prices) is currently selling the 3060 non-ti (aka a 4 year old RTX 2070) for such an inflated price that the RX 6700 is currently only $35 more dollars........

EVGA's lost most of the good will they'd built up with me over the course of the last couple of years. On the one hand, I get it; if folks are paying 150% or more of list for your goods, it's a bit mad to say, "No thanks, I don't really want more money." It's the B-stock pricing that currently gets my goat. $200-240 for a refurb 1060 in 2022? WTAF?

 

[AnotherReader]

It's the same in the US.

RTX 3050 (which is like the same performance as a 2016 era GTX 1070) is currently selling for the same price as the 6600XT which is a joke.

EVGA (whose supposedly claiming that they sell directly through there website at MSRP prices) is currently selling the 3060 non-ti (aka a 4 year old RTX 2070) for such an inflated price that the RX 6700 is currently only $35 more dollars........

I think Nvidia is still trying to sell its chips at high prices; that is why we see ridiculous situations like the 3050 being priced almost the same as a 6600 XT. The 6600 XT is a full chip on a more expensive process so the 3050 should be cheaper to build. Even if it isn't, they should sell it for significantly less than the 6600, never mind the 6600 XT.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think Nvidia is still trying to sell its chips at high prices; that is why we see ridiculous situations like the 3050 being priced almost the same as a 6600 XT. The 6600 XT is a full chip on a more expensive process so the 3050 should be cheaper to build. Even if it isn't, they should sell it for significantly less than the 6600, never mind the 6600 XT.

I think this mostly still just comes down to mindshare in the semi affordable 200-400 price ranges... People will still go Nvidia over AMD even at a large discount..... If 3050s/3060/3060ti were just sitting on shelves their prices would drop. The casual buyer who doesn't get on review sites still probably thinks a 3050 is better than a 6600.

 

[AnotherReader]

I think this mostly still just comes down to mindshare in the semi affordable 200-400 price ranges... People will still go Nvidia over AMD even at a large discount..... If 3050s/3060/3060ti were just sitting on shelves their prices would drop. The casual buyer who doesn't get on review sites still probably thinks a 3050 is better than a 6600.

That's the most likely explanation. It's still maddening that the 3050 is almost the same price as the far superior 6600 XT.

 

[ARF]

That's the most likely explanation. It's still maddening that the 3050 is almost the same price as the far superior 6600 XT.

The RX 6600 XT is still heavily overpriced. So, maybe the logic behind the purchase is - if both are still heavily overpriced, then we will go the nvidia route, anyways and regardless of the small price difference.

 

[Lei]

That's the most likely explanation. It's still maddening that the 3050 is almost the same price as the far superior 6600 XT.

I kinda think: unless u want ur gpu for machine learning, content creation or ray tracing, why get an Nvidia.
So why get a 3050?
Even Nvidia is saying go for AMD with the pricing

Nvidia be like: why guys are buying 3050? Are they nuts

 

[ARF]

I kinda think: unless u want ur gpu for machine learning, content creation or ray tracing, why get an Nvidia.
So why get a 3050?
Even Nvidia is saying go for AMD with the pricing

Nvidia be like: why guys are buying 3050? Are they nuts

Probably because have no choice - the OEM vendors work mostly and exclusively with nvidia, so the 3050 is probably the most popular notebook GPU out there...

 

[tussinman]

The RX 6600 XT is still heavily overpriced. So, maybe the logic behind the purchase is - if both are still heavily overpriced, then we will go the nvidia route, anyways and regardless of the small price difference.

It's not really that overpriced, at least not in my area.

My local brick n motar had 2 models of the XT at $300, a 3rd model on sale for $280, and a 4th model open box for $265. Even in a more healthy market the 6600XT really wouldn't go for much lower than that ($280 regular and maybe $260 on sale would realisitically be the absolute bottom )

In a more normal market a RTX 3050 and 3060 even at 10% lower then the real MSRP wouldn't be competitive enough to force a signficant 6600XT price cut at it's current price and the sub $350 lovelace/rdna 3 GPUs are mostly likely at least still 6-7 months away (and that's assuming both companies even have the desire to actually release a sub $350 card).

 

[ARF]

It's not really that overpriced, at least not in my area.

My local brick n motar had 2 models of the XT at $300, a 3rd model on sale for $280, and a 4th model open box for $265. Even in a more healthy market the 6600XT really wouldn't go for much lower than that ($280 regular and maybe $260 on sale would realisitically be the absolute bottom )

In a more normal market a RTX 3050 and 3060 even at 10% lower then the real MSRP wouldn't be competitive enough to force a signficant 6600XT price cut at it's current price and the sub $350 lovelace/rdna 3 GPUs are mostly likely at least still 6-7 months away (and that's assuming both companies even have the desire to actually release a sub $350 card).

Well, this is historically the 179-229$ price range, while it's currently sold for as much as 400 euros here in Europe.
Its real price and value is not higher than 200 euros, no matter how you look at it.
2-year-old RDNA 2 architecture, seriously lower GPU sales, a brand new generation just around the corner, you name it...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well, this is historically the 179-229$ price range, while it's currently sold for as much as 400 euros here in Europe.
Its real price and value is not higher than 200 euros, no matter how you look at it.
2-year-old RDNA 2 architecture, seriously lower GPU sales, a brand new generation just around the corner, you name it...

60 tier gpu haven't launched at under 250 usd
since 2016. The 480/580 was amd original competitors.

During the Turing/RDNA1 generation
They've started at $300 anyone thinking they will ever be 229 or cheaper again is smoking some good $h!+

 

[ARF]

60 tier gpu haven't launched at under 250 usd
since 2016. The 480/580 was amd original competitors.

During the Turing/RDNA1 generation
They've started at $300 anyone thinking they will ever be 229 or cheaper again is smoking aome good $h!+

I don't understand why I have to pay $300 for this piece of junk

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[Valantar]

I don't understand why I have to pay $300 for this piece of junk

What are you talking about? The RX 560 is long discontinued, and was never a true 60 tier GPU - AMD just shifted their naming for Polaris to make their lack of high end options seem less glaring. The RX 480/580 were AMD's 60 tier GPUs back then, and the RX 6600 non-xt is today's option. The RX 6600 is also decidedly not a piece of junk - it performs very well in pretty much any metric.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

60 tier gpu haven't launched at under 250 usd
since 2016. The 480/580 was amd original competitors.

During the Turing/RDNA1 generation
They've started at $300 anyone thinking they will ever be 229 or cheaper again is smoking aome good $h!+

Let's ignore numbering for the moment, cuz let's be honest; there's a significant arbitrary component to that. I'm going to focus on perf/$, specifically Polaris because that stood as the champ in that regard for what, five years? RX 480 launched at $229 in 2016. Six years later, we should have something at about the same price point with at least 150% of the performance. Some would argue that it should be double. The closest thing to +50% in current gen products is the 3050. That was supposed to hit $250, but it's still hovering north of $300 as of this post. Next closest is the RX 6600. Now we're starting to see something more like one would expect. The TPU database performance estimate puts it at +80% vs. the 480, and it's currently selling for ~$260. In light of the crypto hangover, inflation and everything else that's been going on the past couple of years, that almost seems reasonable. If the ASP of the 6600 can reach and hold at $250 or less and the 3050 starts selling for under that, "normality" could be considered to be achieved. The recent talk of oversupply makes me cautiously optimistic that it could happen.

 

[ARF]

What are you talking about? The RX 560 is long discontinued, and was never a true 60 tier GPU - AMD just shifted their naming for Polaris to make their lack of high end options seem less glaring. The RX 480/580 were AMD's 60 tier GPUs back then, and the RX 6600 non-xt is today's option. The RX 6600 is also decidedly not a piece of junk - it performs very well in pretty much any metric.

It is.

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Before you respond, just to clarify - I don't work with or consider anything below 4K.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Before you respond, just to clarify - I don't work with or consider anything below 4K.

Then why do you even care what's going on at the 6[XX] level? No card in that segment has ever been able to handle 4K60 at high+ settings. AFAIK.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yes, that is the reason why the PC market is in the worst condition in decades and probably will continue to shrink.

Nvidia’s gaming graphics card sales are down 44% compared to last quarter Nvidia GPU sales are dropping fast – and price tags could well follow | TechRadar

That's because the bulk of GeForce cards were being sold to miners, not gamers, and Jensen's had his accountants hiding that fact. He's already having to answer to regulatory agencies for that one. With cryptomining becoming unprofitable in 95% of cases after the gigantic slump in value coupled with rising energy prices, it's no wonder that sales have slowed down. You'll find a similar, perhaps not as acute drop in AMD GPU sales.

There's the one thing to consider: the economy is going sour, and this is a worldwide phenomenon. Not to go into politics, but, yeah. I just hope that the RDNA 3 cards arrive at a reasonable MSRP, because I can't put down $1500 on a GPU again. I managed to get the 3090 through sheer luck and because someone bought my Radeon VII for a lot of dough.

 

[ARF]

That's because the bulk of GeForce cards were being sold to miners, not gamers, and Jensen's had his accountants hiding that fact. He's already having to answer to regulatory agencies for that one. With cryptomining becoming unprofitable in 95% of cases after the gigantic slump in value coupled with rising energy prices, it's no wonder that sales have slowed down. You'll find a similar, perhaps not as acute drop in AMD GPU sales.

There's the one thing to consider: the economy is going sour, and this is a worldwide phenomenon. Not to go into politics, but, yeah. I just hope that the RDNA 3 cards arrive at a reasonable MSRP, because I can't put down $1500 on a GPU again. I managed to get the 3090 through sheer luck and because someone bought my Radeon VII for a lot of dough.

The problem is definitely not just in the politics but also terrible management and bad decision making.

You don't need another halo card every generation. Live with that for a few more years.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The problem is definitely not just in the politics but also terrible management and bad decision making.

You don't need another halo card every generation. Live with that for a few more years.

I play at 4K, and I intend to move to a 120Hz OLED soon, so 4K120 is something outside of the RTX 3090's reach. I can live without upgrading the rest of my rig for some time, but the new GPU + the periodic rebuild on a new case with new peripherals, fans etc. is going to proceed on time.

 

[tussinman]

Its real price and value is not higher than 200 euros, no matter how you look at it.

Yeah that' hasn't been true for a very long time. 200 euros is fantasy talk.

The 2060 Super for example (midrange x60 tier, wasn't much faster than the regular 2060) sold for 400 euro back in 2019 and that was back when inflation and tariffs where 20-25% less than what they are now.......

60 tier gpu haven't launched at under 250 usd
since 2016. The 480/580 was amd original competitors.

During the Turing/RDNA1 generation
They've started at $300 anyone thinking they will ever be 229 or cheaper again is smoking some good $h!+

Yeah I don't understand what he is talking about. Even the 5600XT with all of it's drivers issues still sold for like 330-350 euros during it's originally run

Well, this is historically the 179-229$ price range

2060, 2060 super, and 3060 all sold for around 400 euros at launch. Even the 5600XT with it's drivers issue trended close to mid 300 euro for most of it's run. RX 6600 was like 400 euro MSRP with the XT variant being 479.

Last half decade is not showing $179-229, it's time to get with the times

 

[Valantar]

The 2060 Super for example (midrange x60 tier, wasn't much faster than the regular 2060)

While I mostly agree with you overall, Pascal was a generation dominated by a stretching and shifting of product segments - with the "60 tier" stretching into not one, not two, but ... four? five? GPUs? The RTX-GTX split ensured that, with the sudden appearance of 1660, 1660 Ti, 1660 Super, 2060, and 2060 Super. And arguably a sixth with the 2060 12GB, though that was much later. The 1660 slotted in at the traditional "60-tier" price level, while the 2060 was the one everyone actually noticed, as it was presented as far more attractive (and performed much better despite nominally sharing a tier). So things got confusing real fast there. One would think Ampere would smooth that out with GTX cards disappearing, but it sure doesn't seem that way.

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Before you respond, just to clarify - I don't work with or consider anything below 4K.

so ... why are you even looking at these GPUs at all? Nothing even close to these price points can perform well at 2160p Ultra, so ... so what? Even the 3070 and 2080 Ti do less than 30fps in the Cyberpunk test, ffs. This is the most ridiculous objection I've seen in quite a while.

 

[ARF]

so ... why are you even looking at these GPUs at all? Nothing even close to these price points can perform well at 2160p Ultra, so ... so what? Even the 3070 and 2080 Ti do less than 30fps in the Cyberpunk test, ffs. This is the most ridiculous objection I've seen in quite a while.

I am not looking at them - you brought them in the discussion.

The 6800 XT is double the performance of 6600.

 

[SpittinFax]

Very disappointed by Nvidia in all this, their prices are still ridiculous after stabilizing. I took a gamble on the RX6600 back in May and was expecting Nvidia cards of that tier to continue dropping in price. Actually they've hardly budged since then and the RTX 3050 is still more expensive than what I paid THREE MONTHS ago for the RX6600. I really hope RDNA3 bites Nvidia in the ass.