Will You Buy An RTX 4090?

[Lei]

We can here too - actually someone here on TPU did the other day...

Behold - and it's teeny compared to a air-cooled model.
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Yeah, I know. Everywhere under earth at 3~4m depth is 15 degrees. No matter Saint Petersburg or Dubai. It's always 15 degrees.

Earth is like a creature whose body temp is 15. Amazing.

Those are good, but they don't sell full coverage. Gigabyte waterforce also doesn't cover the vrams.
Asus EK didn't have backplate and was with 2x8pin. I want 3x8pin

 

[3x0]

GG BestBuy

 

[Joe Bauers]

I vote for "No"... but I deceived everyone and bought on pre-order in the nearest store GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING OC [GV-N4090GAMING OC-24GD] ))) It's marvelous card! WOW!!!

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[Athlonite]

I vote for "No"... but I deceived everyone and bought on pre-order

Liar Liar PCIe cables on fire LOL

 

[Dr. Dro]

I'll wait for the Ti while I figure out how to fit one on my open frame(!) case, given my 3090 TUF looks like an ITX design next to those

 

[InVasMani]

I can't afford it currently saving for a hang glider for my pet pig to fly.

 

[The red spirit]

do you not understand how capitalism works bruh? if you have a product that will sell out, you want to max out profits on that. Nvidia is dumb as shit for not selling the 4090 for 3 grand. it still would have sold out.

That's moronic statement. Capitalism or well economics are flexible, but not that flexible. If nVidia wanted to get more money, then the most reasonable thing is just to launch either higher clocked RTX 4090 or RTX 4090 with HBM with higher profit margin or if they wanted to go real crazy, they could just launch a cut down H100 GPU and ask 2.5 grand for it as the only 8K RT gaming capable card.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's moronic statement.

No, he nailed it. NVidia very likely could have sold the 4090 even at $3000, but only to a select few. First shipment likely would have sold out, but that would have been the end of it and everyone else would have balked at the pricetag. I sure as hell wouldn't buy one at that price, even if I wanted one. Sure as hell won't carry them in my store either, even at the current prices. The margin isn't worth the time or the hassle.

 

[The red spirit]

No, he nailed it. NVidia very likely could have sold the 4090 even at $3000, but only to a select few.

You are wrong, they could have too little buyers to break even and just making an SKU name costs quite a lot of cash. Thing is, if you want to profit from xx90 tier cards, they still must meet some sort of sales target and nVidia also seems to be aware that some prices may be too alienating and would cause too much backlash. A weird thing is that nVidia is really slow with rolling out cards and their data center GPU is already on much superior node, next gen architecture and completely destroys Ada and yet Ada just launched to consumers and hasn't launched to workstations yet. It's as if Ada cards are already a bit obsolete.

First shipment likely would have sold out, but that would have been the end of it and everyone else would have balked at the pricetag. I sure as hell wouldn't buy one at that price, even if I wanted one. Sure as hell won't carry them in my store either, even at the current prices. The margin isn't worth the time or the hassle.

I seriously doubt that it would sell at 3k. There's no mining boom no more.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You are wrong

No, I'm not.

they could have too little buyers to break even and just making an SKU name costs quite a lot of cash. Thing is, if you want to profit from xx90 tier cards, they still must meet some sort of sales target and nVidia also seems to be aware that some prices may be too alienating and would cause too much backlash. A weird thing is that nVidia is really slow with rolling out cards and their data center GPU is already on much superior node, next gen architecture and completely destroys Ada and yet Ada just launched to consumers and hasn't launched to workstations yet. It's as if Ada cards are already a bit obsolete.

Those are your opinions. They do not have merit to support them.

I seriously doubt that it would sell at 3k. There's no mining boom no more.

Then it would seem you seriously misunderstand the rich and the wealthy.

 

[The red spirit]

Those are your opinions. They do not have merit to support them.

Same thing with yours. BTW you are the one saying outrageous claims without even checking a single annual report, sales data or well anything at all.

Then it would seem you seriously misunderstand the rich and the wealthy.

LMAO mate, so how rich are you? Barely any of us here understand anything about them.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Same thing with yours. BTW you are the one saying outrageous claims without even checking a single annual report, sales data or well anything at all.


LMAO mate, so how rich are you? Barely any of us here understand anything about them.

We're not having this conversation. Quit reacting with your ego. You are wrong. NVidia could have priced the 4090 at $3000 and some people would have bought. The only reason they did not is public backlash, which they fear.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm pretty sure at a min Nvidia wishes they had priced it at 2k-2.5k in the states even the 2k strix card sold out instantly even faster than some of the cheaper models.

 

[phanbuey]

I'm pretty sure at a min Nvidia wishes they had priced it at 2k-2.5k in the states even the 2k strix card sold out instantly even faster than some of the cheaper models.

This and also that they made 3x more lol. What's the point of launching early if you're not going to steal as much market share as possible?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

This and also that they made 3x more lol. What's the point of launching early if you're not going to steal as much market share as possible?

I wish we could see the numbers but I'm betting they sold 3x-5x more at launch vs the 3090. I personally didn't expect a 1600 card outside of a mining boom to be scalped for 50-100% more than msrp and actually sell.

 

[nguyen]

4090 is a PR masterpiece, in fact Nvidia is making less money on 4090 compare to 4080 and "4070"

Revenue generated per silicon wafer, assuming 90% yield rate
4090 - 89 chips per wafer - 142k revenue
4080 - 152 chips per wafer - 182k revenue
4070 - 201 chips per wafer - 181k revenue

Nvidia haters are buying 4090, since it give Nvidia less money

 

[Braegnok]

I voted no,.. I'll be fine with my 30-series card for awhile.

 

[Joe Bauers]

I'll wait for the Ti while I figure out how to fit one on my open frame(!) case, given my 3090 TUF looks like an ITX design next to those

4090 TI will be a wonderful card! (In fact it's a Quadro Ada with half memory, and ECC is also enabled on a regular 4090) And with an emphasis on water cooling. Surely by this time all the glitches in the drivers will be eliminated. Good luck!!!

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

4090 is a PR masterpiece, in fact Nvidia is making less money on 4090 compare to 4080 and "4070"

Revenue generated per silicon wafer, assuming 90% yield rate
4090 - 89 chips per wafer - 142k revenue
4080 - 152 chips per wafer - 182k revenue
4070 - 201 chips per wafer - 181k revenue

Nvidia haters are buying 4090, since it give Nvidia less money

Costs be lower though, when you take the whole board into consideration. Profit is a thing as well as revenue.

 

[The red spirit]

We're not having this conversation. Quit reacting with your ego. You are wrong. NVidia could have priced the 4090 at $3000 and some people would have bought. The only reason they did not is public backlash, which they fear.

Again, any data to support that? You are just talking out of yer bum.

 

[nguyen]

Again, any data to support that? You are just talking out of yer bum.

Yeah maybe like 10 guys go out and buy 4090 at 3000usd so "some people" is still technically correct, but at 1600usd the 4090 is selling in the hundred thousands.

 

[trog100]

Yeah maybe like 10 guys go out and buy 4090 at 3000usd so "some people" is still technically correct, but at 1600usd the 4090 is selling in the hundred thousands.

true but in the real world if i actually wanted to buy a 4090 card at this moment in the UK it would cost me over £2300 quid.. the cheapest i could find on ebay.. they are sold out everywhere else..

trog

 

[nguyen]

true but in the real world if i actually wanted to buy a 4090 card at this moment in the UK it would cost me over £2300 quid.. the cheapest i could find on ebay.. they are sold out everywhere else..

trog

4090s are cheaper than 3090s at launch here

 

[The red spirit]

Yeah maybe like 10 guys go out and buy 4090 at 3000usd so "some people" is still technically correct, but at 1600usd the 4090 is selling in the hundred thousands.

Sorry for being harsh, but it really gringds my gears, when Lex doesn't seem to understand taht there is some supply and demand curve and there is some optimal point in it set by quntity and price variables. Also it's not just that curve, but also certain fixed overhead from company, which doesn't scale linearly with amount of units produced. This is truly economics 101, not some advanced shit. Market that could allow such a high expense is also dynamic and unstable, mining boom ending basically means that it got smaller and now RTX 4090 basically has to serve more gamers/prosumers. Despite the fact that Ada cards are basically cut down enterprise cards, nVidia just can't charge margins like they do with pro cards in consumer market and basically all consumer tier products are inherently lower margin products than enterprise ones and those are still lower margin products than data center ones. nVidia msot likely puts the most RnD into data center, that's why they already have newer arch and process node, then scale it down to enterprise, then sees the yields, stability and only then after long development process they finally end up as gamer products like RTX 4090. And your typical gaming bro is actually the most unstable and intollerant market as gaming is just entertainment and if gamer bro doesn't have cash for it, then entertainment and superfulous expenses are going to get axed first, therefore prices can't be too high for even RTX 4090, which already targets rich people with cash to burn. And hello, but we are now into worldwide recession, after what I would call a temporary boom (post lockdown people seemingly wanted to spend a lotand stocks went high for no reason), therefore nVidia won't sell as many cards in general and units soldwill be much lower for highest and high tiers of cards in consumer markets. Enterprises and data centers don't care so much about that, becasue they must buy cards to make dollars, but for us it's just gaming, maybe streaming and perhaps occasionally some amateurish video production. Having actual numbers would us see that effect more clearly, but Lex seems to be saying that it isn't how nVidia works and there are many people wanting and actually buying xx90 tier cards. He just seems to be disconnected from reality. Not to mention taht besides recession on worldwide scale, whole European market ahd energy prices climb times in price and people may legit go broke due to their energy bills, so unlike ever before, people are super vigilant about wattage of cards, which again makes RTX 4090 less appealing product. And even if yo uhave money for energy, perhaps you will save it anyway, just for showing solidarity. On top of all this, used cards got faster and cheaper. You can get GTX 1080 for 250 EUR and it beats RX 6600, not to mention that it is capable of running games at 1440p at 60 fps and medium-high settings, which is already above average gamer needs, therefore RTX xx90 cards aaren't a necessity or requirement for entertainment, but rather just something nice if you are feeling like yo ucan and want to splurge money on something superfluous. Reality is that such audience got squeezed hard and nVidia will have to take a haircut. Dutch tulips withered, the music stopped...

 

[Vayra86]

Pretty much agree with all of this... I could also see the 4080 12GB being phased out and replaced with a 4070ti at a much lower price If RDNA3 is competitive and much cheaper.... Not holding my breath though.

Your crystal ball was better than mine it so seems lol

Phased out... pre launch Except perhaps not for the same reasons.