NVIDIA Plans GeForce RTX 4060 Launch for Summer 2023, Performance Rivaling RTX 3070

[AusWolf]

The high prices of the two upper-end cards are what gives the ceiling for the lower-end models. RTX 4090 is extremely overpriced and still has about 12.5% of the processor disabled, which means they can push the total ceiling even further.

Relative to full AD102, if I remember correctly, the cancelled 4080-12GB was at around 40% of the total performance, and they still intended to sell these at $900. At $400 MSRP, you can expect the upper-end AIB models to run you at up to $700 easily, at which point you're better off buying an RTX 3080 today.

NVIDIA wants to be like Apple, but Apple does something NVIDIA doesn't - they care for their earlier products and stand behind them.

Except when they don't (Batterygate).

I think buying a 3070 or a 6700 XT today is a much better value than waiting half a year for a card with a similar performance and MSRP.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

No doubt with a price rivalling a 3080 at this rate, I'm betting on 650£ for this entry to mainstream card.

 

[N3M3515]

$400 is rather acceptable, if true. However, if 4060 is $400 while 4080 is $1,200, there's a pretty wide space to be covered just by the 4070.

Edit: Also, that's almost a full year of milking the 4090 and 4080.

4060 Super
4060 Ti
4070
4070 Super
4070 Ti

 

[defaultluser]

do you remember when the 1060 was on par with the 980? I do, and that's why these new cards suck in terms of value

hey, at least the clearance discounts should be as high as the 1060 was during the ether selloff

You can dress these things up as well as you want, but in the end of the day, the improvements for mid-range are not enough to move any additional stock for folks who want a 20 percent performance bump over their 3060 ti! There is simultaneously any additional 3070 stock that will end-up choking eBay once the 4070 ti launches in week 1 January!

 

[N3M3515]

going from 3060 performance to 3070, with also a price increase is not really something great

Thinking the same, it isn't worth it.

 

[mechtech]

Remember when ATI released HD 3850 then the HD 4850 and the 4850 basically had double the performance for roughly the same price. I remember those days.

 

[AusWolf]

do you remember when the 1060 was on par with the 980? I do, and that's why these new cards suck in terms of value

Modern x60 cards still match old x80 ones... at least in price.

 

[freeagent]

Might be trying my fist AMD card since the Asus 4890 was the shit

 

[Dr. Dro]

Except when they don't (Batterygate).

I think buying a 3070 or a 6700 XT today is a much better value than waiting half a year for a card with a similar performance and MSRP.

Well, I have no complaints about Apple's handling of the whole battery issue back then. I understand why they did it, though I agree they should have been more transparent. It wasn't malicious (quite unusual of Apple), and they did make good to their customers.

I had an iPhone SE at the time, it was affected, and just gotten off-warranty... after the story blew up Apple quickly announced a battery replacement program and I had my phone serviced, they replaced the battery for me at a local partnered Apple Store at an exceptionally modest sum, something that would barely amount to $15 at the time. End result, I got a brand new, genuine Apple battery for peanuts, and I was satisfied.

Agreed, though. It's just a better value and potentially, better performance too. I just don't really see the point in these cards.

 

[bug]

4060 Super
4060 Ti
4070
4070 Super
4070 Ti

Was there ever a Super variant next to Ti? I honestly don't remember.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

This product line is an unmitigated disaster.

How so? Both the 4080 and 4090 did sell out and also rocketed up in cost past MSRP proving that higher end cards not only can, but SHOULD be priced even higher next time. If you can push your product and it's selling over what you asked for that's a huge win and it ensures you price higher the next round going for a bigger win.

We'll have to wait to see what the other cards do but a lot of people are going to have to get used to the fact that they are now in the 4060 or 4050 group and they are not going to get back into the 4080 group.

 

[N3M3515]

Was there ever a Super variant next to Ti? I honestly don't remember.

Yeah, a few years ago: gtx 1660 ti and gtx 1660 super

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Was there ever a Super variant next to Ti? I honestly don't remember.

Nope. But we did used to have the GT and Ultra variants of things.

 

[Dr. Dro]

How so? Both the 4080 and 4090 did sell out and also rocketed up in cost past MSRP proving that higher end cards not only can, but SHOULD be priced even higher next time. If you can push your product and it's selling over what you asked for that's a huge win and it ensures you price higher the next round going for a bigger win.

We'll have to wait to see what the other cards do but a lot of people are going to have to get used to the fact that they are now in the 4060 or 4050 group and they are not going to get back into the 4080 group.

Valid from a corporate perspective, but I am not an NVIDIA stakeholder

 

[AusWolf]

How so? Both the 4080 and 4090 did sell out and also rocketed up in cost past MSRP proving that higher end cards not only can, but SHOULD be priced even higher next time. If you can push your product and it's selling over what you asked for that's a huge win and it ensures you price higher the next round going for a bigger win.

We'll have to wait to see what the other cards do but a lot of people are going to have to get used to the fact that they are now in the 4060 or 4050 group and they are not going to get back into the 4080 group.

It's not a disaster for Nvidia, it's a disaster for us.

 

[medi01]

So confident AMD won't go low range earlier?

 

[Deleted member 185088]

do you remember when the 1060 was on par with the 980? I do, and that's why these new cards suck in terms of value

And the 1070 on par with the 980ti, seems lot of people forgot what a true generational leap is.

 

[AnotherReader]

So confident AMD won't go low range earlier?

If RDNA3's launch is similar to RDNA2's, we won't see the 7600XT until late summer.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I'm trying to figure this out. The 4070Ti (what was the 4080 12GB) is - based on the DLSS 3.0 graphs floating around out there - is a little bit behind the 3090Ti. It would be safe to say the 4070Ti should perform at a 3090 level.
4070Ti = 3090
3090 = 10% faster than 3080 10GB
3080 10GB is about 20% faster than the 3070.

If the 4060 is to "rival" the 3070, but there's no mention of being at a 3080 level, I'd venture to guess the 4060 should be around 5 to maybe 10% faster.

Does that mean the 4070 is only going to only match the 3080 10GB? I'm guessing $599 price on the 4070.

Speculating, the mid ranged for Nvidia doesn't appear to be very impressive.

 

[medi01]

If RDNA3's launch is similar to RDNA2's, we won't see the 7600XT until late summer.

I thought chiplet approach changes it and Navi33 is essentially Navi32 without chiplets, so it could come sooner.

 

[AnotherReader]

I thought chiplet approach changes it and Navi33 is essentially Navi32 without chiplets, so it could come sooner.

I hope you're right.

 

[watzupken]

I am not optimistic about a 10% generational price increase for the RTX 4060. Looking at current Ada GPU stack, the 4080 and 4070 series are not cheap as compared to what they are replacing. They offer more perfomance for sure, but its really like someone paying more for a better card.

 

[bug]

I'm trying to figure this out. The 4070Ti (what was the 4080 12GB) is - based on the DLSS 3.0 graphs floating around out there - is a little bit behind the 3090Ti. It would be safe to say the 4070Ti should perform at a 3090 level.
4070Ti = 3090
3090 = 10% faster than 3080 10GB
3080 10GB is about 20% faster than the 3070.

If the 4060 is to "rival" the 3070, but there's no mention of being at a 3080 level, I'd venture to guess the 4060 should be around 5 to maybe 10% faster.

Does that mean the 4070 is only going to only match the 3080 10GB? I'm guessing $599 price on the 4070.

Speculating, the mid ranged for Nvidia doesn't appear to be very impressive.

Don't try to read too much into it, if it's to be released in the summer of 23, clocks aren't set in stone yet. Probably neither is the chip configuration. So whatever numbers may leak, they're from engineering samples of something that's not finished.

 

[watzupken]

I thought chiplet approach changes it and Navi33 is essentially Navi32 without chiplets, so it could come sooner.

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I believe Navi 32 and 33 are vastly different chips. Considering the Navi 33 is manufactured on TSMC 6nm, I am not surprised if this may be derived from current Navi 2x.
In any case, I would have thought that the key benefits of going chiplet design is to lower cost and improve yield. So it may not improve the time to market for the lower end parts.

 

[Chrispy_]

You could wait until Summer 2023 to get a 4060 for $399+
Or you could buy a 3070 right now for ~$350 and enjoy it for 6-9 months before the 4060 is even available.