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Trouble with Thermals with new 5800x3d

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I upgraded from a 3600x to a 5800x3d and got a new case at the same time. I am using the same cooler in both scenarios, Lian Li Gallahad 360mm AIO. Before the swap, this AIO cooled my 3600x and I had no issues. The orientation did change with the new case from a front-mounted intake (barb on top) to a top-mounted exhaust setup. I have up-to-date motherboard bios to support the 5800x3d. My board is an Asus Strix x470 Gaming -F. The air in my case feels very cool and the GPU temps never got above 70c which I think is also good.

Once I boot the PC the CPU temps start to rise and quickly hit 70C. they will continue to climb if it just sits. When I play any games it goes to 90c and stays there until I shut a game down. The computer has not shut itself down but I am uncomfortable with the temps.

Things I have tried or noticed:
-reseated the AIO 3 times
-paste coverage looked fine upon removal
-Fan is running at 100% on the AIO rad obviously as its overheating, I did play with them in the bio but its almost irrelevant as they are pegged at 100% because of the CPU temp anyway.
-AIO is plugged into the AIO connector on my MB and I can feel the water moving in the hose. The bios shows like 3350 RPM on the pump.
-1 hose is warm, the other is cool
-I removed the 5800x3d and put the 3600x in thinking I damaged the AIO or the new orientation was causing issues and my 3600 was getting great temps. I was gaming in warzone at 67c, spiked to 71C when loading.
-In both scenarios, the rad is pretty cool and only the end with the barbs is even warm. I would assume it would be warm given how hot the CPU is.
- I don't overclock anything and I didn't see anything overclock-related turned on in the BIOS

On a side note, I also bought my son one for Christmas and now I'm scared to even open it.

Is my chip bad or am I screwing something up? I have been building PCs for 20 years and I've never had a thermal issue before. Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
Probably your board feeding it too much voltage. Asus boards in my experience seem to push voltages to the edge maybe @Mussels @tabascosauz will chime in they both own the cpu. Maybe try PMing them for help unless another X3D owner chimes in.
 
Can you post a screenshot of HWInfo sensors, particularly CPU voltages? It might be related to increased voltages, but from what I can see online, the issue with X3D parts is that there is manufacturing variance in the die<->V-cache<->TIM<->Heatspreader resulting in high variance in temperatures between parts.
 
I just referenced a screenshot from earlier today and the CPU VDD voltage was 1.219 at the time and the maximum had hit 1.300. I don't know if this is high or not.
 

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I have CO set to -30 and that seems to limit vcore to about 1.165v. I am actually running mine semi passive right now. No fans on the cooler, and the stock Fractal fans that came with my case is all I am using.
 

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I undervolted as instructed and things are much better. The screenshot is attached with a fresh reset after joining a DMZ game in warzone two. Much better temps.
 

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The voltages are still high compared to my sample, but better than before. You could try setting an additional negative voltage offset if the BIOS allows.
Have you noticed that XMP isn't enabled for RAM?
 
enable eco mode should help a lot temps will drop to 40-60 range
 
Is there eco mode for X3D? Isn’t it built in?
 
3x0 said:
The voltages are still high compared to my sample, but better than before. You could try setting an additional negative voltage offset if the BIOS allows.
Have you noticed that XMP isn't enabled for RAM?
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I reset to defaults early when I was trying to get things working. I must have changed that by accident. I will turn it on.

natr0n said:
enable eco mode should help a lot temps will drop to 40-60 range
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I am not seeing Eco mode in my bios. Does anyone know where it is for Asus?

I also don't see any additional ways to add additional negative voltage

Thank you
 
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Where was the radiator on the old case?
 
I had it front-mounted intake, and barbs on top. Now it's a top-mounted exhaust.
 
The 5800X3D runs pretty warm. I have a custom water loop and even that struggles to keep it under 70c during heavy load.

As far as BIOS tweaks go your options are pretty limited. I think there's a way to fudge a CO profile by importing old BIOS settings but as far as ECO mode and other voltage tweaks go it's pretty much locked down. Try adjusting your load line calibration to a lower level since the CPU uses a lower Vcore voltage to begin with. I'm still digging around in my BIOS for some kind of way to get the chip to behave a little better.
 
There is no Zen 3 CPU that cannot be adequately cooled by a properly installed 360mm AIO. My guess is that the waterblock is improperly tensioned and/or greased.

I have a 5800X with a front-mounted Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm AIO; it maxes out at 52 °C (on the hottest day of the summer). I also have a 5900X in a build with a custom loop; it maxes out at 63 °C (also on the hottest day). A GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is also part of this custom loop.

Neither computer has radiator fans running at full blast; in both builds the fan curves are set to max out around 1000 rpm because I hate noise.
 
Tropick said:
The 5800X3D runs pretty warm. I have a custom water loop and even that struggles to keep it under 70c during heavy load.

As far as BIOS tweaks go your options are pretty limited. I think there's a way to fudge a CO profile by importing old BIOS settings but as far as ECO mode and other voltage tweaks go it's pretty much locked down. Try adjusting your load line calibration to a lower level since the CPU uses a lower Vcore voltage to begin with. I'm still digging around in my BIOS for some kind of way to get the chip to behave a little better.
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You must have a really weird board, I can tune my profile fully EDC, TDC, power, increments of boost clock just by multiplier etc. on my B550 Master...
Hidaian said:
I upgraded from a 3600x to a 5800x3d and got a new case at the same time. I am using the same cooler in both scenarios, Lian Li Gallahad 360mm AIO. Before the swap, this AIO cooled my 3600x and I had no issues. The orientation did change with the new case from a front-mounted intake (barb on top) to a top-mounted exhaust setup. I have up-to-date motherboard bios to support the 5800x3d. My board is an Asus Strix x470 Gaming -F. The air in my case feels very cool and the GPU temps never got above 70c which I think is also good.

Once I boot the PC the CPU temps start to rise and quickly hit 70C. they will continue to climb if it just sits. When I play any games it goes to 90c and stays there until I shut a game down. The computer has not shut itself down but I am uncomfortable with the temps.

Things I have tried or noticed:
-reseated the AIO 3 times
-paste coverage looked fine upon removal
-Fan is running at 100% on the AIO rad obviously as its overheating, I did play with them in the bio but its almost irrelevant as they are pegged at 100% because of the CPU temp anyway.
-AIO is plugged into the AIO connector on my MB and I can feel the water moving in the hose. The bios shows like 3350 RPM on the pump.
-1 hose is warm, the other is cool
-I removed the 5800x3d and put the 3600x in thinking I damaged the AIO or the new orientation was causing issues and my 3600 was getting great temps. I was gaming in warzone at 67c, spiked to 71C when loading.
-In both scenarios, the rad is pretty cool and only the end with the barbs is even warm. I would assume it would be warm given how hot the CPU is.
- I don't overclock anything and I didn't see anything overclock-related turned on in the BIOS

On a side note, I also bought my son one for Christmas and now I'm scared to even open it.

Is my chip bad or am I screwing something up? I have been building PCs for 20 years and I've never had a thermal issue before. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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Seems really odd. Did you try resetting your BIOS to default?
 
Thimblewad said:
You must have a really weird board, I can tune my profile fully EDC, TDC, power, increments of boost clock just by multiplier etc. on my B550 Master...

Seems really odd. Did you try resetting your BIOS to default?
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Wait really? I have the B550 Aorus Elite V2 running the latest BIOS (AGESA 1.2.0.7) And while there are some options for tuning under the "XFR Enhancement" section implemented by Gigabyte, there's nothing under the official "AMD Overclocking" section besides setting the SoC/IF OC mode. Does the 5800X3D respect the changes made under the XFR Enhancement menu or will it default to the values under the AMD OC section. Because I've been warned before by other people to not touch the XFR settings as they can force some settings that shouldn't be applied...
 
cvaldes said:
There is no Zen 3 CPU that cannot be adequately cooled by a properly installed 360mm AIO. My guess is that the waterblock is improperly tensioned and/or greased.

I have a 5800X with a front-mounted Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360mm AIO; it maxes out at 52 °C (on the hottest day of the summer). I also have a 5900X in a build with a custom loop; it maxes out at 63 °C (also on the hottest day). A GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is also part of this custom loop.

Neither computer has radiator fans running at full blast; in both builds the fan curves are set to max out around 1000 rpm because I hate noise.
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I tighten it until it stops like it doesn't get increasingly tougher and I need to use judgment its easy until it stops. I have tried backing off on it and nothing helps. It cools the 3600 perfectly fine in the same orientation. Obviously, that chip runs a lot cooler.

I'm going to be installing my sons using the AK620 later this week and expect that to go smoother.
 
Hidaian said:
I tighten it until it stops like it doesn't get increasingly tougher and I need to use judgment its easy until it stops. I have tried backing off on it and nothing helps. It cools the 3600 perfectly fine in the same orientation. Obviously, that chip runs a lot cooler.

I'm going to be installing my sons using the AK620 later this week and expect that to go smoother.
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3 months later, no updates. If you're getting 90c in games you have a serious problem. I have a noctua nh-d15s air cooler and my 5800x3d idles at 42c and never goes over 78c with kombo strike setting 3 which is basically just CO at -30 all core. I've never seen it go over 72c in the hottest running game I have which is battlefield 5.
 
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