ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[Deleted member 185088]

https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=rtx+3080

You do understand that the world isn't one country.

 

[N/A]

4070 Ti showed up here at 1049 euro. the gigabyte, which I like but the price needs to settle and demonstrate abundance in variety first. but that even doesn't say it properly. it has to be in demand and in stcok at the same time unlike 4080 that gathers dust.

3080/90 series are either out of stock or the last remaining is in possession of a mad hoarder store and inevitably costs a fortune. so why even bother looking at them.

 

[the54thvoid]

Prices not up on most UK sites but one place, BOX, has them at £929-999.

I have very little hope for the GPU market in this condition.

 

[Why_Me]

Prices not up on most UK sites but one place, BOX, has them at £929-999.

I have very little hope for the GPU market in this condition.

Is that including VAT because the UK used to have something like a 20% VAT.

 

[bug]

Who buys a RTX 70 series card for 4K?

Probably more than before, now that you get DLSS3.

 

[the54thvoid]

Is that including VAT because the UK used to have something like a 20% VAT.

Yeah, top line. Nvidia store has it listed now (not yet available). It's being enthusiastic though and thinks Asus will sell the TUF model at £799. I can definitely see a price amendment from AMD on the 7900XT. Have to see if that makes NV lower this part - we all know they have ample room to do so.

 

[W1zzard]

A scam, the card costs (starts) 50% more than the 3080 according to nVidia.
Great review but the conclusion is very misleading, old cards are far from obsolete because the new card is much more expensive.

Where can I find a 3080 for $550? Old cards are very relevant indeed, but it all comes down to pricing. RX 6800 non-XT is a great option with fantastic price/performance if you can find it at $500 or below

 

[Sora]

Reusing PCB's means wasted space, and unnecessary length, this is a 2 fan card that should be 9.5", not 3 fan at 12.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Not in the business of drama, you have plenty of other sources for that that will hold eye contact with you, so your brain thinks they are an authoritative source that can influence your opinion. I’m not an entertainer, i like to test, analyze products, present the data and write about that. I have the best job in the world, I’m on holiday in Egypt, it’s 7 am, wife and kid are still sleeping and I’m writing to you, because of that. Considering that business is fantastic, traffic is higher than ever, it seems there’s one or two people that like my approach

Sure us enthusiasts crowd hang on here and consume your content, which I do appreciate very much btw due to comprehensive benchmarking even if I don't agree with your conclusions, but we're not normies and the normies are currently hardly interested and are not buying dGPUs. I've been working as an assistant manager in the biggest retail tech shop by revenue in my country and our online dGPU AVERAGE sales are down 46% YtoY and sales in retail shops 53%, while prebuilds sales are down only 27% and laptops 21%. I've been working in telecommunication and IT departments for over 28 years and have never seen so little interest in dGPUs upon new releases. Granted, we're in recession, but something must be wrong on the pricing side too, when your average sales half in times when they should double. Our group is now seriously considering not selling dGPUs anymore, because it's too big of a gamble. That's why I'm of the opinion NVidia and AMD should be called out on their greedy practices as they are ruining long term prospects of DIY market.

 

[W1zzard]

Sure us enthusiasts crowd hang on here and consume your content, which I do appreciate very much btw due to comprehensive benchmarking even if I don't agree with your conclusions, but we're not normies and the normies are currently hardly interested and are not buying dGPUs. I've been working as an assistant manager in the biggest retail tech shop by revenue in my country and our online dGPU AVERAGE sales are down 46% YtoY and sales in retail shops 53%, while prebuilds sales are down only 27% and laptops 21%. I've been working in telecommunication and IT departments for over 28 years and have never seen so little interest in dGPUs upon new releases. Granted, we're in recession, but something must be wrong on the pricing side too, when your average sales half in times when they should double. Our group is now seriously considering not selling dGPUs anymore, because it's too big of a gamble. That's why I'm of the opinion NVidia and AMD should be called out on their greedy practices as they are ruining long term prospects of DIY market.

Yup, no doubt, that's what's happening everywhere, and I agree that prices are high. Not just prices are high, there's no good games to play, and people have to worry about other things than play games. Games will be fine at 1080p, even with lower details, if it's a good game. The market will eventually correct itself or die

 

[ThrashZone]

What i mean with „absolute „ is that the usd number is very high, especially for a x70 card. Yet the value (price/performance) is better than anything that exists in this segment (mentioned in the + section for all cards up to 850 usd)

How would you reword what i wrote?

Not in the business of drama, you have plenty of other sources for that that will hold eye contact with you, so your brain thinks they are an authoritative source that can influence your opinion. I’m not an entertainer, i like to test, analyze products, present the data and write about that. I have the best job in the world, I’m on holiday in Egypt, it’s 7 am, wife and kid are still sleeping and I’m writing to you, because of that. Considering that business is fantastic, traffic is higher than ever, it seems there’s one or two people that like my approach

Hi,
Well I gave you two examples of using absolutely instead of absolute now I'm ordering some absolute vodka

I was mocking a couple of other people here that were critizing you for not using more drama in your review about price like the youtube click baiters are
I personally don't care much about it seeing I'm not buying 40 series anyway.

 

[nguyen]

I really want to see the DLSS frame generation with Geforces experience overlay enabled

We need to see Nvidias own stats for render and display latency before and after its enabled, because having more FPS means nothing if it feels slower and less responsive than running without it

If you're getting 30FPS and a ~35ms display latency, you'd be hating on the game - but 60FPS and 50ms, you'd just give up


For reference, even in demanding games Nvidia stats show me in the 3-8ms render latency and total system latency sitting around 12-15ms, with nvidias early marketing saying frame generation "added" 20ms

If the total was 20ms, it'd be fine for controller based games but terrible for mouse and keyboard games like RTS or FPS titles - but if it outright adds 20, it's worthless outside benchmarks

Between 60FPS with FG OFF vs 120FPS with FG ON, the majority of people will pick 120FPS with FG ON as the better gaming experience.
Sure 60FPS is good enough, but 120FPS is just so much better .

PC gaming is all about tuning the settings to get the best gaming experience possible, FG is another powerful tool to achieve just that.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Where can I find a 3080 for $550? Old cards are very relevant indeed, but it all comes down to pricing. RX 6800 non-XT is a great option with fantastic price/performance if you can find it at $500 or below

Unfortunately, new the prices are more like 3080 at 7xx$ and the 4070ti at 12xx$.

The way to go is the second hand though the 3080s are going for around 600 and 6800xt around 520.

RTX4000 and 7900 should be boycotted due to ridiculous pricing, at least it seems to work, the 4090/80 are available since launch at their nVidia prices.

 

[the54thvoid]

Yeah - can confirm, UK pricing looks to be hovering anywhere from £800-£1050 (Asus, of course).

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Unfortunately, new the prices are more like 3080 at 7xx$ and the 4070ti at 12xx$.

The way to go is the second hand though the 3080s are going for around 600 and 6800xt around 520.

RTX4000 and 7900 should be boycotted due to ridiculous pricing, at least it seems to work, the 4090/80 are available since launch at their nVidia prices.

That's about right. Our retail group got an offer from our long term distributor on their lower end AIB's 4070TI cards starting at 730€ without taxes. That would summarize in 1050€ GPU on our shelves. We refused the offer and will likely not be selling 4070TIs at all. We might have to sell 4080s at a loss eventually, so no way are we willing to take on another hazardous product. Way too much of a gamble.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

My local Microcenter has the pricing from $799 all the way up to $1049. Talk about a wide range of pricing.

 

[bug]

That's about right. Our retail group got an offer from our long term distributor on their lower end AIB's 4070TI cards starting at 730€ without taxes. That would summarize in 1050€ GPU on our shelves. We refused the offer and will likely not be selling 4070TIs at all. We might have to sell 4080s at a loss eventually, so no way are we willing to take on another hazardous product. Way too much of a gamble.

So people are finally starting to vote with their wallets. Long overdue, I'd say. Kudos to you for telling them to shove it (not that you had any choice, but still...).

 

[Acesbong]

How on earth does this get an editors choice award? 16% faster than a 3080 @ 4k for 900$. What a joke.

 

[neatfeatguy]

How on earth does this get an editors choice award? 16% faster than a 3080 @ 4k for 900$. What a joke.

Remember. This card is claimed to be as fast as a 3090Ti (I'm sorry, up to 3x faster - see the picture, up to 3x faster!), but has less VRAM....but it's not supposed to be targeted as a 4k card??? You should only get the card for 1440p? Then what the hell was the 3090Ti supposed to be? A not 4k card, too?

Now people are saying that 12GB is not holding the card back, but 10GB 2 years ago on a 3080 was holding that card back?
Folks then say the card is better over the 7900XT because of DLSS. What the hell is going on here? AMD has FSR, they both function in a similar manner and give similar results; sometimes one is better than the other depending on the game.
But then folks will say DLSS 3 is the cream of the crop and try to claim it's an awesome addition, but in reality Nvidia is just using algorithms to generate extra frames which also creates increased latency, just to make the appearance that these 40x0 series cards are so much faster than the competition.
Then folks still claim raytracing is the best thing, better than sliced bread and they say without RT games suck! Therefore, AMD's cards suck the most because they are behind Nvidia's when it comes to doing RT. I still don't know who I feel worse for when it comes to RT - AMD for being behind what Nvidia can do or Nvidia for still sucking at RT even though they have dedicated cores to handle it.

I don't know what's going on anymore with the GPU segment, but I'm starting to feel like it's just a huge pain in the ass in terms of pricing, performance, functionality and shitty PR stunts by the manufacturers. Maybe it's just me?

 

[crimina|]

Launch Prices:
1070 Ti - $449
2070 Super - $499
3070 Ti -$599
4070 Ti - $799

If you go by Nvidia trend and the performance it offers compaired to last generation, this card should have cost $699 at the most. To the people saying it isn't overpriced (even with taking inflation into account) you are delusional.

The card is good, the price is horrible. Just like the 7900XT. No why it should have gotten editor's choice.

Remember. This card is claimed to be as fast as a 3090Ti (I'm sorry, up to 3x faster - see the picture, up to 3x faster!), but has less VRAM....but it's not supposed to be targeted as a 4k card??? You should only get the card for 1440p? Then what the hell was the 3090Ti supposed to be? A not 4k card, too?

Now people are saying that 12GB is not holding the card back, but 10GB 2 years ago on a 3080 was holding that card back?
Folks then say the card is better over the 7900XT because of DLSS. What the hell is going on here? AMD has FSR, they both function in a similar manner and give similar results; sometimes one is better than the other depending on the game.
But then folks will say DLSS 3 is the cream of the crop and try to claim it's an awesome addition, but in reality Nvidia is just using algorithms to generate extra frames which also creates increased latency, just to make the appearance that these 40x0 series cards are so much faster than the competition.
Then folks still claim raytracing is the best thing, better than sliced bread and they say without RT games suck! Therefore, AMD's cards suck the most because they are behind Nvidia's when it comes to doing RT. I still don't know who I feel worse for when it comes to RT - AMD for being behind what Nvidia can do or Nvidia for still sucking at RT even though they have dedicated cores to handle it.

I don't know what's going on anymore with the GPU segment, but I'm starting to feel like it's just a huge pain in the ass in terms of pricing, performance, functionality and shitty PR stunts by the manufacturers. Maybe it's just me?

Well said.

 

[ThrashZone]

How on earth does this get an editors choice award? 16% faster than a 3080 @ 4k for 900$. What a joke.

Hi,
Well you'd have to see if there's one tpu review that doesn't have one first ')

 

[sepheronx]

It's not just you. I see it too. People say a 70 series card being as costly as a 90 series of previous gen cause of same performance is A OK, is a coping mechanism. The 40 series is the 20 series repeat. Overpriced gpus.

Performance wise they are fine, price wise they are abysmal.

What is more abysmal and scary is how much people are loving DLSS 3. Fake frames just to make unplayable stuff playable is rather bad. Setting s precedence that "its OK to be lazy developers and make slopy games. You got tech behind you to fake it through!".

 

[crimina|]

It's not just you. I see it too. People say a 70 series card being as costly as a 90 series of previous gen cause of same performance is A OK, is a coping mechanism. The 40 series is the 20 series repeat. Overpriced gpus.

Performance wise they are fine, price wise they are abysmal.

What is more abysmal and scary is how much people are loving DLSS 3. Fake frames just to make unplayable stuff playable is rather bad. Setting s precedence that "its OK to be lazy developers and make slopy games. You got tech behind you to fake it through!".

I wouldn't use DLSS 3 just because of the latency it has been shown to introduce.

 

[tajoh111]

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT

This card exists for one reason and one reason only... To make the RX 7900 XTX look better. It's so stupid too because AMD had a real hit with the RX 6800 XT when compared to the RX 6900 XT. The better value should always be with the lower-tier card but both nVidia and AMD have bucked that...

www.techpowerup.com

Funny no one is calling out the 7900xt the same way or calling @W1zzard a shill for his editor choice award for that review.

Do people own AMD stock or something? People need to check their own biases if they are going to call out someone elses.

For pricing to fall. Both companies need to fail at this high pricing not just Nvidia because you hate them.

AMD pricing needs to fall even more because outside of this forum bubble which is generally more red loving, the general public prefers Nvidia as Marketshare numbers show. Higher AMD pricing causes higher Nvidia pricing which just causes a cycle of continuously higher pricing.

In addition, AMD lowering pricing would cause far more damage towards Nvidia business model and financials. However short term greed is what is keeping pricing high. E.g price the 7900xt at 699. and all of a sudden Nvidia's 3 or 4 billion dollar inventory is worth half since much of it is Amphere and Nvidia's high usage of North American engineers, versus Chinese ones makes their R and D budge not sustainable without price increases. Nvidia in 2018 spent 1.8 billion on R and D and AMD spent 1.4 billion. In 2022, Nvidia spent over 5.2 billion while AMD just spent over 2.8 billion. Subtract the money spent on CPU's and AMD is spending significantly less than a billion dollars on GPU's in a year.

Play their cards right and AMD can really hurt Nvidia, more than a short time financial benefit for themselves.

 

[Acesbong]

AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT

This card exists for one reason and one reason only... To make the RX 7900 XTX look better. It's so stupid too because AMD had a real hit with the RX 6800 XT when compared to the RX 6900 XT. The better value should always be with the lower-tier card but both nVidia and AMD have bucked that...

www.techpowerup.com

Funny no one is calling out the 7900xt the same way or calling Wizzard a shill for his editor choice award for that review.

Do people own AMD stock or something? People need to check their own biases if they are going to call out someone elses.

For pricing to fall. Both companies need to fail at this high pricing not just Nvidia because you hate them.

AMD pricing needs to fall even more because outside of this forum bubble which is generally more red loving, the general public prefers Nvidia as Marketshare numbers show. Higher AMD pricing causes higher Nvidia pricing which just causes a cycle of continuously higher pricing.

In addition, AMD lowering pricing would cause far more damage towards Nvidia business model and financials. However short term greed is what is keeping pricing high. E.g price the 7900xt at 699. and all of a sudden Nvidia's 3 or 4 billion dollar inventory is worth half since much of it is Amphere and Nvidia's high usage of North American engineers, versus Chinese ones makes their R and D budge not sustainable without price increases. Nvidia in 2018 spent 1.8 billion on R and D and AMD spent 1.4 billion. In 2022, Nvidia spent over 5.2 billion while AMD just spent over 2.8 billion. Subtract the money spent on CPU's and AMD is spending significantly less than a billion dollars on GPU's in a year.

Play their cards right and AMD can really hurt Nvidia, more than a short time financial benefit for themselves.

You make a good point, I didn't personally look at the end summary for that. How are these cards getting recommended? I like TPU reviews and their format/structure. How on earth can anyone justify recommending a 4070ti or a 7900xt?
Are we afraid to stop receiving review samples or something?