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An Interesting Revelation

now that all my questions have been answered, time to dump all my opinions!


I'm no expert on the guy, I've only watched 2 or 3 of his videos. I found he comes to his conclusion first and then looks for facts to support it. He also looks to stretch out his videos to 20minutes using fluff, similar to tech jesus, in order to maximize his ad profit so it's a bit painful to watch the entire length of their videos. I also recall an air vs AIO cooler comparison he did years ago which he totally bashed air that it could do no right while AIO could do no wrong. I get he's an AIO or water cooling guy, it's his shtick, but his take was purely to get views and more inline with fanboy type comments. That's my two cents on him.


ok, you only get DLSS from Nvidia and not all Nvidia cards (in fact a minority of gamers have RTX cards). On a list of things gamers want to optimize, it's probably down near the bottom.


well...it doesn't hurt but lets not forget Intel and Nvidia have huge market shares so it would be foolish not make sure your games don't play nice with them and from what I read from developers; Nviida is easier to work with than AMD as a company. You can have an issue with something and get Nvidia on the line and they work with you to fix it. They said AMD is helpful and will get back to you just not as helpful as Nvidia. Perhaps that's no longer true but like I said, Ive read it a few times from various developers.


You said TPU said it was "just as good" so how can it than be "garbage"?
Not me saying it;s garbage but other users.

AMD has horrible DLSS support mainly because it's Nvidia tech. I've not heard of any professional reviews about AMD stutter

Tom's did with the tagline of
"Where there's smoke, there isn't always fire. "

their conclusion
However, much like we saw with the Ryzen 9 7900X, the 7900X3D's pricing is the fly in the ointment. It might also be why AMD didn't sample this chip to the press. Most dedicated gamers aren’t interested in a $599 processor for gaming only, and we certainly don't recommend spending this much if that's your only goal. Instead, you should wait for the eight-core $449 Ryzen 7 7800X3D that will likely offer nearly the same amount of gaming performance when it arrives in April.

Given that the Ryzen 9 7900X3D is designed to be really good at one thing, gaming, while accepting trade-offs in others, it has to excel in such a way that other options aren't worthy of consideration. The Ryzen 9 7900X3D doesn't quite meet that bar and has tremendous pressure from both lower- and higher-end Ryzen models, like the Ryzen 9 7950X3D, while also facing value competition from Intel's chips, leaving little room for success at its current pricing. We expect this chip to see big price reductions over the coming months, but until then, it's better to seek other alternatives.
That is Tom's opinion. and I would rather save the money and get the 7900X3D over the 7950X3D and that was exactly what I did, saved me over $200 too but that is not the point. I wanted a chip that was faster and more capable than my 5800X3D and no longer wanted to be on 8 cores so it checked both boxes. Now I can push my 4K panel to the max without having to use 1440P to get high frame rates. I also have issues with dedicated Gamers don't buy $599 CPUs when a lot of those reviewers like to use 13900k CPUs which are $789 CAD.
if tabascosauz can give me some leeway with this

the actual line is "For the love of money is the root of all of evil" so it's not that money is evil but rather someone's obsession of acquiring it but here is better non religious line for you, "one man’s rubbish may be another’s treasure". So just because something is overlooked or called "garbage" by a few people who's opinion you really don't care about doesn't mean it can't do the job quite well for you.

Yes you are right it is The Love of Money I apologize.
 
So this week really illustrated to me how strong the narrative is and the only thing I can say is that the Bible says Money is the root of all evil.. So I watched a Jay2Cents video and he was putting a water block on a 4080 or something. At any rate I sent a comment asking where are his AMD water block videos.
I'll give you an answer: Where are all the AMD graphics card users? For various reasons, I was perusing the Steam Hardware & Software Survey the other day, and AMD has 15% of the marketshare on Steam. And Jay knows this.
 
I'll give you an answer: Where are all the AMD graphics card users? For various reasons, I was perusing the Steam Hardware & Software Survey the other day, and AMD has 15% of the marketshare on Steam. And Jay knows this.
Please look at the What is the Generation of your Graphics card thread.
 
How is that relevant to what Jayztwocents showcases for hardware?
 
How is that relevant to what Jayztwocents showcases for hardware?
The only reason I mentioned Jay2 cents is because he sent me e a private message request for asking the question. "Where are your AMD Water block videos?. That was it nothing more nothing less. but why would he need to do a private message repsonse to an open question on Youtube that anyone can see?
 
I don't know how going from 8 cores with all 3D cache to 6 cores with and 6 without is an upgrade but sure. Maybe for normal usage outside of games but.. man this thread is bass ackwards.
 
I don't know how going from 8 cores with all 3D cache to 6 cores with and 6 without is an upgrade but sure. Maybe for normal usage outside of games but.. man this thread is bass ackwards.

The majority of the gains are just from going from Zen3 cores to Zen4 cores.

Single CCD ryzen chips tend to have less issues with 1% lows but that is very game dependent and how well windows is managing the threads many games use both CCD on my 5950X currently so that would be my biggest concern with dual 6 core CCD that may become more prevalent over time.

There is nothing wrong with the 7900X3D but it essentially turning into a 6 core cpu while gaming makes it unappealing to me. That shouldn't take anyone's who owns it enjoyment of the processor away though.
 
I don't know how going from 8 cores with all 3D cache to 6 cores with and 6 without is an upgrade but sure. Maybe for normal usage outside of games but.. man this thread is bass ackwards.
My Firestrike score increased by almost 3000 and my PC feels much faster to me. Then let's look at RTS Games like TWWH3 that runs much better on the 7900X3D than the 5800X3D. in a world where Windows 11 knows how to utilize CCDs the 7900X3D is just fine. I may be one voice but if you read user reviews from people who have bought the chip they pretty much enjoy them and there is no way the 5800X3D is faster than the 7900X3D in any scenario when it comes to Gaming.
 
It's not upset. It's more bemused by the fact that people try to make AMD seem lesser. In terms of my 7900XT. I originally got a 7900XTX and something happened. When I got my refund the 7900XT was $400 cheaper and fit my Water block too. I can tell you that it is hard to tell a difference between those 2 cards and $400 is a lot of money. Since then I have seen so many videos and posts about new AAA games sucking and not being optimized but with my 7900XT I see none of those and yes I am an avid Gamer. If the 4080 was not almost $2000 (CAD) and the 4090 is $2300 (CAD) would you buy the 7900XT for $1199 or is Nvidia actually $1000 more in performance than AMD? If all you want to do is Game.

It like how some people called out AMD because "the 7900XT should have been the 6800XT replacement" but now that the 7800Xt has been basically confirmed what would they call it now?

I am not some fanboy championing any Camp my 3060 laptop is great for me. Only thing is Nvidia released the 3050 a year later and it was more expensive for a weaker card.
I can see what you mean with the supposed narrative, and also about it being strong.

Blame the masses. I think most people on TPU can see what's happening in GPU land quite clearly, honestly the last few months of discussing these things have been refreshing in my view. The stone cold must have Nvidia vibe is definitely not what it used to be. These things also take a lot of time. I know I doubted getting my 7900XT for quite some time, and why? I was waiting for Nvidia's midrange. Nvidia still had my preference despite all the negativity I also spread about them. I'm just really calling things what they are, to me. I bought the 7900XT because the 4070 with its measly 12GB was utter shite in my view, and it wasn't going to get better lower down the stack obviously. Bought the card two days after the 4070 reviews dropped or sth.

Why did I prefer Nvidia? I knew what I would get.
Am I happy that I went AMD? Up to this point, I'm 90% positive. The 10% is nothing I can pinpoint in particular, but like I said, things take time. Trust isn't built in a day, and for prospective buyers, it isn't built in one generation of cards either. Its a real, real shame AMD didn't pull more out of RDNA3, but what we have, honestly... its in very fine place. I was browsing through Adrenalin software just now and was simply stunned at how tidy and organized and complete everything is. And it doesn't want to annoy you either, because that is what the GFExperience UI did to me, plus its whole login shenanigans. I never kept it installed.

OTOH why would we suddenly expect AMD to get proper marketing or consistent line ups, eh...
 
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My Firestrike score increased by almost 3000 and my PC feels much faster to me. Then let's look at RTS Games like TWWH3 that runs much better on the 7900X3D than the 5800X3D. in a world where Windows 11 knows how to utilize CCDs the 7900X3D is just fine. I may be one voice but if you read user reviews from people who have bought the chip they pretty much enjoy them and there is no way the 5800X3D is faster than the 7900X3D in any scenario when it comes to Gaming.

While rare the 5800X3D can have better 1% lows does it actually matter no. Likely for most playing not at 1080p and at realistic settings they are going to be at less than a 5% difference which I always consider less than 5% a tie. Unless Riva Tunner Statistics is your favorite game.

So saying in no way can the 5800X3D be faster than the 7900X3D is probably not accurate. I would phrase it as, in almost all scenarios it's a better gaming cpu.
By that same metric it's two 7000 series siblings are almost always better in gaming regardless of synthetic scores.

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At 4k with realistic settings all of these cpu's in the top half are going to be nearly identical especially with anything slower than a 4090. Like with anything this will always depend on how you game what games you play and what other hardware you have in your system most gamers are almost always gpu limited unless they only like very unoptimized ST games


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As far as user reviews go everyone gloats about their own hardware it's human nature literally everything is the best thing since slice bread.

Again enjoy your hardware man and stop worrying about other people and how they may or may not feel about said hardware you have an awesome computer that a lot of people would love to have.
 
in a world where Windows 11 knows how to utilize CCDs the 7900X3D is just fine.

(in my best Don Lafontaine voice...google him)
In a world where Windows 11 knows how to utilize CCDs
One man will lower core-to-core latency, create wider cache bandwidth, and add more cache for each CCD
And that man is women...who kind of looks like a man in some of her pics but is not, she's a women
 
While rare the 5800X3D can have better 1% lows does it actually matter no. Likely for most playing not at 1080p and at realistic settings they are going to be at less than a 5% difference which I always consider less than 5% a tie. Unless Riva Tunner Statistics is your favorite game.

So saying in no way can the 5800X3D be faster than the 7900X3D is probably not accurate. I would phrase it as, in almost all scenarios it's a better gaming cpu.
By that same metric it's two 7000 series siblings are almost always better in gaming regardless of synthetic scores.

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At 4k with realistic settings all of these cpu's in the top half are going to be nearly identical especially with anything slower than a 4090. Like with anything this will always depend on how you game what games you play and what other hardware you have in your system most gamers are almost always gpu limited unless they only like very unoptimized ST games


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As far as user reviews go everyone gloats about their own hardware it's human nature literally everything is the best thing since slice bread.

Again enjoy your hardware man and stop worrying about other people and how they may or may not feel about said hardware you have an awesome computer that a lot of people would love to have.
I think there are many more people that are CPU limited than you might think. People don't upgrade their platform very often because you simply don't have to, and a GPU is often the biggest win even if you haven't got the perfect CPU for it.

I'm CPU limited in AoW Planetfall (single thread limitation, DX11); I'm HEAVILY CPU limited also in TW Warhammer 3 on DX12 (!!) as the campaign progresses. FPS will easily be halved by the time I achieve short victories around turn 50-60 on the campaign map. And this isn't even a 7900XTX. I reckon I can find more situations as time progresses, and its definitely not just on 'unoptimized' games. Strategy though, yes. You won't be losing much in shooters.
 
I can see what you mean with the supposed narrative, and also about it being strong.

Blame the masses. I think most people on TPU can see what's happening in GPU land quite clearly, honestly the last few months of discussing these things have been refreshing in my view. The stone cold must have Nvidia vibe is definitely not what it used to be. These things also take a lot of time. I know I doubted getting my 7900XT for quite some time, and why? I was waiting for Nvidia's midrange. Nvidia still had my preference despite all the negativity I also spread about them. I'm just really calling things what they are, to me. I bought the 7900XT because the 4070 with its measly 12GB was utter shite in my view, and it wasn't going to get better lower down the stack obviously. Bought the card two days after the 4070 reviews dropped or sth.

Why did I prefer Nvidia? I knew what I would get.
Am I happy that I went AMD? Up to this point, I'm 90% positive. The 10% is nothing I can pinpoint in particular, but like I said, things take time. Trust isn't built in a day, and for prospective buyers, it isn't built in one generation of cards either. Its a real, real shame AMD didn't pull more out of RDNA3, but what we have, honestly... its in very fine place. I was browsing through Adrenalin software just now and was simply stunned at how tidy and organized and complete everything is. And it doesn't want to annoy you either, because that is what the GFExperience UI did to me, plus its whole login shenanigans. I never kept it installed.

OTOH why would we suddenly expect AMD to get proper marketing or consistent line ups, eh...

Honestly after their presentation I was pretty hyped for RDNA3 they clearly showed it being 50-70% faster than a 6950XT but it ended up closer to 35-40% which isn't horrible but they really set expectations way too high. I mean who wouldn't want 4090 like raster performance and the same amount of vram for 1k.

Nvidia's mid range is a joke in my opinion and while I can still see why someone would go with a 4070ti I still think the 7900XT at it's typically 100 usd less than launch prices is the better option just not for everyone just like with most things.

I think there are many more people that are CPU limited than you might think. People don't upgrade their platform very often because you simply don't have to, and a GPU is often the biggest win even if you haven't got the perfect CPU for it.

I'm CPU limited in AoW Planetfall (single thread limitation, DX11); I'm HEAVILY CPU limited also in TW Warhammer 3 on DX12 (!!) as the campaign progresses. FPS will easily be halved by the time I achieve short victories around turn 50-60 on the campaign map. And this isn't even a 7900XTX.

Bad wording I meant anyone on a semi modern system in most games is going to be gpu limited. Even with my 4090 at 4k I am almost always gpu limted with a 5950X which is only mid range cpu performance by todays standard in gaming.
 
Honestly after their presentation I was pretty hyped for RDNA3 they clearly showed it being 50-70% faster than a 6950XT but it ended up closer to 35-40% which isn't horrible but they really set expectations way too high. I mean who wouldn't want 4090 like raster performance and the same amount of vram

Nvidia's mid range is a joke in my opinion and while I can still see why someone would go with a 4070ti I still think the 7900XT at it's typically 100 usd less than launch prices is the better option just not for everyone just like with most things.
Yeah, the 4070ti... its in an even more difficult place than the 4070 wrt planned obsolescence. I honestly don't even understand why that card exists, but that's a n00b trap if I've ever seen one, holy crap.

But about CPU... I can't wait to see what an X3D will do for this card and for mentioned games. It shall happen, one day...
 
Yeah, the 4070ti... its in an even more difficult place than the 4070 wrt planned obsolescence. I honestly don't even understand why that card exists, but that's a n00b trap if I've ever seen one, holy crap

I mean it's 1440p performance is really nice and I like the RT performance in general at 1440p and at least for me DLSS is superior at 1440p in almost every way but then there is that 12GB framebuffer that just kinda kills it for me had Nvidia made it a 16GB card it would have been fine I doubt their margins would have been all that worse... Good for AMD though them doing what they did makes the 7900XT a lot more appealing especially after the price drop.
 
I mean it's 1440p performance is really nice and I like the RT performance in general at 1440p and at least for me DLSS is superior at 1440p in almost every way but then there is that 12GB framebuffer that just kinda kills it for me had Nvidia made it a 16GB card it would have been fine I doubt their margins would have been all that worse... Good for AMD though them doing what they did makes the 7900XT a lot more appealing especially after the price drop.
If the 4070ti had 16GB I would have bought it probably
 
If the 4070ti had 16GB I would have bought it probably

I think it and the 7900XT price are a little high but at least you are getting 20GB with the AMD card. Imagine how different the 4070ti would look if the 7900XT was what me and alot of people consider it the successor of the 6800XT and priced it at $699 that would have been a huge win for AMD and would likely also make the 4070 look even worse.
 
Opinions are like butt holes. Everybody has one and they all stink.
Except my opinions of course. :D

I like the version that goes "opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one and they only think that other people's stink", because it fits very well.

If the 4070ti had 16GB I would have bought it probably

It wasn't my first choice either, but I couldn't find a way to make the 7900XT work acceptably with my setup and use case (at least in a way that doesn't feel like I'm wasting >50% of my time every day doing AMD driver team's work for them). Either way, you pick what's right for you and that's that. The prospect of taking time out of one's day to do free marketing for any company is pretty funny tbh.

Seems like most of the point behind this thread was a 7900X3D owner loving the purchase and getting agitated over others not feeling the same way. A really exhausting way to live life.
 
It's not a mid range CPU, it's probably in the top 10% of all CPU's out there.

Well Ryzen 5000 is firmly behind 12/13th gen intel and Ryzen 7000 in gaming.

The X3D chips are kinda their own thing and while the 5800X3D is pretty great the 7800X3D is even a step beyond vanilla Ryzen 7000.

This is why I would classify it as midrange gaming performance. Not as good as the three more recent cpu families or the X3D chips but usually better than older generation stuff.

I'm not knocking it at all I'm still thoroughly enjoying it it's just there are quite a few options that are decently faster these days.
 
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So this week really illustrated to me how strong the narrative is and the only thing I can say is that the Bible says Money is the root of all evil.. So I watched a Jay2Cents video and he was putting a water block on a 4080 or something. At any rate I sent a comment asking where are his AMD water block videos. Surprisiingly I got an email from him. I was disappointed when the email wanted me to join a private message request. Then yesterday I was watching the PC world Full Nerd yesterday and they were talking about PC ports. I sent a Super Chat asking Why do I not experience any of these issues with my 7900XT. The response was a quick nervous "if you pay for it you can brute force your way out of these problems". If you don't believe me watch the video for yourself in the Angry Gamers section of the Full Nerd webcast yesterday.


The truth just as I am experiencing is the 7000 series cards are good, not just good but great. It is like people that doubt the 7900X3D is a good chip without understanding that the 5900X was so more than the 5600, especially in this world of hybrid processors..
What you're noticing is hardly isolated to component manufacturers.
It's a good thing that stuff like this is getting your attention; once you see it, you'll notice similar in many markets (if you look).

The (modern use of the) term 'influencer' may be something worth researching, for ya.
 
Sometimes being old is great, because I don't understand any of this. :D
 
Sometimes being old is great, because I don't understand any of this. :D

AMD have a cult following, cheaper.. more VRAM... WHY YOU NO BUY!!!! ARRRRGGHHHH FUCK YOU ALL!!1
 
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