Ada looks a lot worse vs Ampere than even I thought.

[oxrufiioxo]

Two things that stand out the most to me are the 4090 having 71% more performance which was a decent start but then the 4080 getting a 72% price increase at least Nvidia is consistent I guess......

News des 19. Mai 2023 | 3DCenter.org

Mittels der Ankündigung von GeForce RTX 4060 & 4060 Ti fügt sich das Bild zur Ada-Lovelace-Generation nunmehr zusammen – und jenes sieht nicht gut aus. Wie schon oft erwähnt: Außerhalb der GeForce RTX 4090 bringt nVidia nur einen arg

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Not that I didn't already know a lot of this I am just shocked to see it all in one graph. literally the only 2 cards with worthwhile P/P are the 4090/4060. It just shows how much better the Ampere generation would have been if the Pandemic never happened.

Had Nvidia just priced most these cards similar to their predecessors this generation would have been a pretty decent win.

Yay for them efficiency gains and DLSS3 which only works well in SP games I guess because that is all we really got.

 

[tussinman]

Embarrassing. Even the midrange is a joke

A 400 dollar 4060Ti barely being fast enough to trade blows with an almost 3 year old 3070 ?

I remember the 1060 matching the 980 and the 2060 matching the 1080. It's going to take 2 gens for that to happen (4060 is going to trade blows with an almost 5 year old base model 2080).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I haven't liked any of the cards post the 4090 but part of me felt like maybe I was being I bit too harsh but looking at this graph only reaffirms how terrible everything has been this generation.

This really has turned into the sidegrade generation with only the 4090 offering something clearly better.

 

[nguyen]

Well people with Ampere could just hold onto their GPU if they care about value in the first place, people who upgrade every gen shouldn't talk about value either

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well people with Ampere could just hold onto their GPU if they care about value in the first place, people who upgrade every gen shouldn't talk about value either

While I don't completely disagree and see where you are coming from even during a bad generation we typically got 30% P/P gen on gen more so in the mid range typically. Even Turing seems to be better than this one and that was a pretty bad generation.

 

[lemonadesoda]

Yes, it seems that nV has entered the Intel years where for far too long neither tic nor toc brought significant gains. You had to wait tictoctictoctic before it was worth upgrading.

it was a period of fancy names over actual performance improvement

 

[nguyen]

While I don't completely disagree and see where you are coming from even during a bad generation we typically got 30% P/P gen on gen more so in the mid range typically. Even Turing seems to be better than this one and that was a pretty bad generation.

Nah Turing was worse, particularly the original non-Super lineup, 2070 has like 20% P/P uplift over 1080, with the same 8GB VRAM, meanwhile 2080 provided measly 10% with less VRAM than 1080Ti

 

[chrcoluk]

Below the 4090 that list is poor.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Nah Turing was worse, particularly the original non-Super lineup, 2070 has like 20% P/P uplift over 1080, with the same 8GB VRAM, meanwhile 2080 provided measly 10% with less VRAM than 1080Ti

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20% is still better than 6% lol

 

[nguyen]

20% is still better than 6% lol

with 50% more VRAM

 

[oxrufiioxo]

with 50% more VRAM

almost half a decade later. 8GB was still enough for 4k in 2018

 

[Space Lynx]

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Two things that stand out the most to me are the 4090 having 71% more performance which was a decent start but then the 4080 getting a 72% price increase at least Nvidia is consistent I guess......

News des 19. Mai 2023 | 3DCenter.org

Mittels der Ankündigung von GeForce RTX 4060 & 4060 Ti fügt sich das Bild zur Ada-Lovelace-Generation nunmehr zusammen – und jenes sieht nicht gut aus. Wie schon oft erwähnt: Außerhalb der GeForce RTX 4090 bringt nVidia nur einen arg

www.3dcenter.org

Not that I didn't already know a lot of this I am just shocked to see it all in one graph. literally the only 2 cards with worthwhile P/P are the 4090/4060. It just shows how much better the Ampere generation would have been if the Pandemic never happened.

Had Nvidia just priced most these cards similar to their predecessors this generation would have been a pretty decent win.

Yay for them efficiency gains and DLSS3 which only works well in SP games I guess because that is all we really got.

yeah, I agree, it seems main gains are as you said DLSS3 and Frame Generation, to be honest I am impressed by Frame Generation, never seen it in person, so I can't confirm if its as smooth as native rendering, say i have a 7900 xtx running a game at 160 fps 1440p on 165hz monitor,

now lets say i get a 4060 ti and it runs the same game at 90 fps, but 160 fps if i turn on frame generation, will it look just as smooth as the 7900 xtx native rendering? i think we can all agree as refresh rate increases, smoothness increases...

i mean if a $400 4060 ti can answer yes to that question, then i'd say its still impressive. as someone who only plays single player games, i am impressed by it. that being said, i am about to order a 7900 xt or xtx since my 6800 xt sold.

not going to lie though, the diablo iv give away is tempting me to go 4070 ti. i don't really care about last of us.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

yeah, I agree, it seems main gains are as you said DLSS3 and Frame Generation, to be honest I am impressed by Frame Generation, never seen it in person, so I can't confirm if its as smooth as native rendering, say i have a 7900 xtx running a game at 160 fps 1440p on 165hz monitor,

now lets say i get a 4060 ti and it runs the same game at 90 fps, but 160 fps if i turn on frame generation, will it look just as smooth as the 7900 xtx native rendering? i think we can all agree as refresh rate increases, smoothness increases...

Native 165fps is better than FG 165fps by a mile.

 

[Space Lynx]

Native 165fps is better than FG 165fps by a mile.

I did not know this. heh, well you just sealed the deal for me. 7900 xt or xtx it is. damnit, i wanted that free diablo iv game!!!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I did not know this. heh, well you just sealed the deal for me. 7900 xt or xtx it is. damnit, i wanted that free diablo iv game!!!

Frame generation is awesome for SP stuff but keep in mind latency goes up so it still feels like its running around 70-80fps even if frame generation is doubling it up to 150fps making it perceptually smoother.

I personally only like using FG with a controller due to the increased latency.

 

[Space Lynx]

Frame generation is awesome for SP stuff but keep in mind latency goes up so it still feels like its running around 70-80fps even if frame generation is doubling it up to 150fps making it perceptually smoother.

latency is important to me even in single player games, it is part of the immersion, its the reason i gave up on cloud gaming anyway. i tried son'y Playstation Now for PC, and the latency was just a smidge too bad, even with fiber optic 1 gig internet... it just made the games feel weird imo.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I don't really feel AMD is doing much better and would love to see a similar graphic once they decide to actually release more than 3 cards.....

To all the 40 series owners who already purchased cards good for you this is unfortunately the new reality we all face and we all have to do what we think is best with our own money..... I'm a little worried about the next generation cards though.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't really feel AMD is doing much better and would love to see a similar graphic once they decide to actually release more than 3 cards.....

To all the 40 series owners who already purchased cards good for you this is unfortunately the new reality we all face and we all have to do what we think is best with our own money..... I'm a little worried about the next generation cards though.

next generation is going to be pushed back i bet, i think we are looking at a new 3 year cycle instead of 2, due to worries about node shrinkage not having longevity.

main reason i decided to upgrade now.

3nm gpu's will arrive in late 2026 i bet, or have a paper launch december 2025 but we all know paper launches takes 6 months to a year to actually produce real stock.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

next generation is going to be pushed back i bet, i think we are looking at a new 3 year cycle instead of 2, due to worries about node shrinkage not having longevity.

main reason i decided to upgrade now.

3nm gpu's will arrive in late 2026 i bet, or have a paper launch december 2025 but we all know paper launches takes 6 months to a year to actually produce real stock.

The reason I was actually interested in all this is because I am helping my brother pick out a gpu in the 5-800 usd price range and I just really didn't feel super great recommending anything from waiting for the 4060ti 16GB all the way up to the 4070ti Although I'd have to give him some money to get him up to an 800 ish gpu.

He actually needs a new gpu his 2080 is dying. He's faced with this awesome reality of gpu buying in 2023. I wish I could pitch in enough for him to get a 4090 but that is beyond my means currently due to life.

 

[Space Lynx]

The reason I was actually interested in all this is because I am helping my brother pick out a gpu in the 5-800 usd price range and I just really didn't feel super great recommending anything from waiting for the 4060ti 16GB all the way up to the 4070ti Although I'd have to give him some money to get him up to an 800 ish gpu.

He actually needs a new gpu his 2080 is dying. He's faced with this awesome reality of gpu buying in 2023. I wish I could pitch in enough for him to get a 4090 but that is beyond my means currently due to life.

im getting the 7900 xt pulse, because w1zz shows its the best overclocker, and it matches 7900 xtx stock once oc'd, most xtx or xt cards dont oc as well as the Pulse for some reason, same with nvidia cards. nvidia gets like 5-7% gains from oc's, but the Pulse 7900 xt gets 13% its wild. plus the 20gb of vram for future proofing, its a no brainer to me at $779 currently on sale.

 

[Deleted member 223428]

im getting the 7900 xt pulse, because w1zz shows its the best overclocker, and it matches 7900 xtx stock once oc'd, most xtx or xt cards dont oc as well as the Pulse for some reason, same with nvidia cards. nvidia gets like 5-7% gains from oc's, but the Pulse 7900 xt gets 13% its wild. plus the 20gb of vram for future proofing, its a no brainer to me at $779 currently on sale.

Off topic for this thread, but just spend the extra and get the XTX. Overclocks are never guaranteed - every single chip is different. You know you'll kick yourself if you don't. I mean I know you will so......

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[oxrufiioxo]

im getting the 7900 xt pulse, because w1zz shows its the best overclocker, and it matches 7900 xtx stock once oc'd, most xtx or xt cards dont oc as well as the Pulse for some reason, same with nvidia cards. nvidia gets like 5-7% gains from oc's, but the Pulse 7900 xt gets 13% its wild. plus the 20gb of vram for future proofing, its a no brainer to me at $779 currently on sale.

Keep in mind that is just silicon lottery if you purchased 10 7900XT pulse they'd likely all perform differently.

I'd probably go with the gaming X classic just because it's the cheapest lol

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Not personally a huge fan of sapphire I hold a grudge because of how poorly they handled an rma of a 7950 that amazon thankfully refunded even though it was past the return date.

 

[freeagent]

Maybe they raw dogged Ada because Blackwell is supposed to be the game changer people thought Ada would be.

Everything under the 4090 makes no sense to me.

 

[nguyen]

I did not know this. heh, well you just sealed the deal for me. 7900 xt or xtx it is. damnit, i wanted that free diablo iv game!!!

Except you will need beefy CPU to get 160fps in newer games

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Maybe they raw dogged Ada because Blackwell is supposed to be the game changer people thought Ada would be.

Everything under the 4090 makes no sense to me.

Honestly it's really just the pricing. Even if they shaved 15-20% off the 4060ti 8GB-4080 everything would look quite a bit better. Still expensive but much better.

In a vacuum most the cards are pretty great and offer very good performance at their target resolutions it's just nothing 4090 included makes you go damn I got such a nice upgrade this generation for the cost.,

They are going to really have to do some magic with Blackwell to make it not only perform decently better but also not cost significantly more. 3n isn't as large a jump from the 5n process as Nvidia got coming from the Samsung 8nm process so they have their work cut out it's also much more expensive.

Except you will need beefy CPU to get 160fps in newer games

RDNA3 has less driver overhead in cpu limited scenarios and he has a 5800X3D which is decent enough so I would still pick raw performance over frame generation if you can have both sure. Framegen does save the day on bad console ports though.