AMD Screws Gamers: Sponsorships Likely Block DLSS

[Assimilator]

If it was NVIDIA doing this to AMD the "NGREEDIA"s would be flying in this thread. But AMD does it to NVIDIA and Intel, and the red team apologists are out in force. This sort of antio-competitive behaviour is simply indefensible, but it's sure going to be fun/depressing seeing you contort yourselves trying.

And Intel Arc may be overall rubbish but XeSS is a tremendously impressive piece of tech. What's more impressive is that Intel has been able to make it arguably better than FSR despite the latter being around for a lot longer. Is AMD so threatened by Arc that they feel the need to gimp one of the techs that allows it to compete?

BTW AMD fans, where's HYPR-RX?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It's just competing tech - the "Open sourceness" of FSR is only because it's late, if it was walled and inferior it would be dead on arrival. AMD marketing would make FSR walled if they were the first ones out with the technology. If anything this move clearly shows that intention.

No it's because AMD backs open source and doesn't Do walled gardens.

And Dlss isn't just competitive tech, it's Nvidia's play at reducing the competition by providing tech only they can use?!? An add in, it sells shit cards like the 4060?!, No.

 

[wolf]

It's just competing tech - the "Open sourceness" of FSR is only because it's late and inferior, if it was walled, late and inferior it would be dead on arrival. But AMD marketing/BD would make FSR walled if they were the first ones out with the technology. If anything this move clearly shows that intention.

Not to mention, people drastically over-represent how much this means to game developers. Much of their toolset isn't open source for game creation, and I don't hear any uproar over that. At face value, it appears to only matter to the fans.

The easy way out, and likely best case scenario for AMD PR and gamers alike is that AMD cave and support streamline, then we get all games with all 3 (or more, the more the merrier), and everyone gets to use the solution best for their hardware or even personal taste (I've heard many AMD users prefer XeSS on a case by case basis), and let them push each other to improve.

 

[phanbuey]

No it's because AMD backs open source and doesn't Do walled gardens.

Correct -- they do that right now because they can list that as a competitive advantage that sells cards. Once it stops being that, you will 1000% see them walling things off.

When they come out with new tech, like eyefinity etc. it's will NOT be open source. And you will see that the next time they are first to something.

 

[Vya Domus]

There would have to be, these are corporations exchanging either money or resources for marketing purposes and addition of features, it by definition necessitates some sort of agreement that defines the terms.

Agreement on not using DLSS ? There is no evidence of such agreements existing right now, you are assuming they do, they don't "have to".

A few games having DLSS really isn't the argument winning

No, it's the fact that there are so few games where this could even be a possibility which makes this argument laughable to me.

Let's recap the situation, the number of AMD sponsored games is far fewer than those who are Nvidia sponsored, a lot of games aren't sponsored by either. So in only a minuscule portion of these titles could AMD even do this, the ones that are sponsored and even in those this clearly couldn't be true for all because some do in fact feature DLSS.

At the moment what you and others are struggling to prove is that AMD blocked DLSS in a couple of games (which they sponsor) which you can count on your fingers and there is no conclusive proof for that anyways. Nice.

here you go, timestamped too.

The dude never said they simply "refuse to use it", lol.

He actually had good arguments, one is that it provides no real advantage, which I agree, a lot of popular engines already have these upscalers as plug and play solutions. And the second point he made is that while the tool is open source DLSS isn't (and partially XeSS), so it's an open source tool which uses proprietary software. FSR is completely open source, if they don't want to contribute to something that is inherently not 100% open source I don't blame them. None of these corporations have some kind of obligation to work for each other.

 

[ixi]

Now AMD is the bad guy. Look how they masacred our boy... i hope that this information in invalid.

 

[Assimilator]

No it's because AMD backs open source and doesn't Do walled gardens.

AMD backs open-source because they hope that people will work on FSR for them for free. It hasn't panned out for the simple reason that upscaling is a difficult problem to solve and everyone else trying to solve it is actually paying engineers to do so (and unsurprisingly, having better results; again see XeSS).

Open source works great when companies give back even 1% of what it makes them. Not when companies use it as a free ride to make money off others' effort.

 

[chrcoluk]

I thought I replied on this already, guessing duplicate thread?

 

[phanbuey]

Now AMD is the bad guy. Look how they masacred our boy... i hope that this information in invalid.

HWUB is very pro AMD, if they're coming out with it.... that's not a good sign.

I hope it's invalid too (because i really want to play starfield cranked, and I think I will need DLSS to do that)

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Correct -- they do that right now because they can list that as a competitive advantage that sells cards. Once it stops being that, you will 1000% see them walling things off.

When they come out with new tech, like eyefinity etc. it's will NOT be open source. And you will see that the next time they are first to something.

Your now making strange connections based on zero facts and before a 30 year history prooving you wrong.


So until evidence appears I'm out, I'm not here to argue and have said my piece.

Scaling has been solved many times Assimilator most TVs do it without issue.

Xess and dlss are specifically made for specialist hardware on they're tech with at best a fallback for competition in the case if xess and f all for Dlss.

So IMHO only AMD even tried to make something for all the others just didn't.

 

[AsRock]

This again.

Are there AMD sponsored games which feature DLSS ?

Yes ?

Then they're not blocking anything, obviously.

Maybe a restriction of x amount of time, like until release maybe.

Who knows, i do know that most people will jump before looking.

What does that conclusively prove or disprove ?

That nVidia have much more money. Lets face it if a game don't get released it's more rare of new features to be added after release.

 

[Lionheart]

If it was NVIDIA doing this to AMD the "NGREEDIA"s would be flying in this thread. But AMD does it to NVIDIA and Intel, and the red team apologists are out in force. This sort of antio-competitive behaviour is simply indefensible, but it's sure going to be fun/depressing seeing you contort yourselves trying.

And Intel Arc may be overall rubbish but XeSS is a tremendously impressive piece of tech. What's more impressive is that Intel has been able to make it arguably better than FSR despite the latter being around for a lot longer. Is AMD so threatened by Arc that they feel the need to gimp one of the techs that allows it to compete?

BTW AMD fans, where's HYPR-RX?

Bruh you can't talk, nearly post I see you in you're always praising Nvidia & belittling AMD lol. I don't know what an AMD apologist is I can't keep up to date with labels & ism's & ists buzzwords anymore.

WTH is HYPR-RX?

 

[wolf]

Nice.

I really don't know what you expect of me, I believe what I believe based on evidence I've seen, much of it presented in the video I doubt you've watched, and yeah I find it and the weeks leading up to it and what I've also seen very compelling. I also happen to trust the opinion of say, Tim from HUB, among other people, more than you. You believe what you believe because of the evidence you've seen, I accept that although I disagree.

So, how about we agree to disagree, in the spirit of keeping it civil.

 

[Lionheart]

HWUB is very pro AMD, if they're coming out with it.... that's not a good sign.

I hope it's invalid too (because i really want to play starfield cranked, and I think I will need DLSS to do that)

They're not Pro AMD, WTH are you on about. They're pro consumer.

 

[Vya Domus]

I really don't know what you expect of me, I believe what I believe based on evidence I've seen

You just chose to believe this, you haven't seen any evidence because there is none at the moment. That's the point.

I also happen to trust the opinion of say, Tim from HUB, among other people, more than you.

Trust =/= facts.

They're not Pro AMD, WTH are you on about. They're pro consumer.

If anything they're pro-drama, this isn't the first nor it will be last time they started some shitshow for either of these companies.

 

[chrcoluk]

HWUB is very pro AMD, if they're coming out with it.... that's not a good sign.

I hope it's invalid too (because i really want to play starfield cranked, and I think I will need DLSS to do that)

That was my thought as well, owner of HUB approved the video, which says a lot.

 

[phanbuey]

They're not Pro AMD, WTH are you on about. They're pro consumer.

I didn't say they're not pro consumer. They do give AMD all the advantages they can in reviews though, and they've taken flak for it, and have since made their review settings more transparent as a result.

They got criticism for alderlake reviews when they were running slower memory in gear 2 for the DDR4 setups, while AMD had golden 3600 CL14 in gear 1 -- same for zen 4 when they reviewed the chips with DDR5 CL30 6000 when that was still a super premium bit of kit -- vs the stock settings which they do for everything else.

They do give the radeon division a hard time lately though, so maybe it's just the CPUs. In any case, my point was they're not going to dumpster AMD like this in a video until they gave them all the chances (which it looks like they did).

 

[wolf]

You just chose to believe this, you haven't seen any evidence because there is none at the moment. That's the point.

You can't be serious man, watch the dang video, help yourself to some evidence, and a reasonable conclusion come to by many reasonable people. It baffles me that you think AMD's non answers are acceptable, like if they don't/didn't/won't block DLSS, that they aren't capable or willing to have made a statement to that effect so far. But nevertheless, I know you'll reject it, so I don't know why I bother. back on ignore.

 

[Vya Domus]

You can't be serious man, watch the dang video, help yourself to some evidence, and a reasonable conclusion come to by many reasonable people.

I've seen the video before you even posted this thread, it contains no evidence that this is real. Just speculation.

Just repeating "watch the video" does not somehow magically count as "evidence".

 

[Assimilator]

Bruh you can't talk, nearly post I see you in you're always praising Nvidia & belittling AMD lol. I don't know what an AMD apologist is I can't keep up to date with labels & ism's & ists buzzwords anymore.

Yeah, like all the times I praised NVIDIA for its high prices and lack of USB-C connector on new cards and the fact that RTX 4060 is a POS OH WAIT I DID THE OPPOSITE YOU FLAMING NUMPTY.

WTH is HYPR-RX?

It was supposed to be a competitor to NVIDIA Reflex, which would be a pretty big deal. AMD promised it would arrive by the end of June, and... nothing, not even an announcement of delays. Seems like yet another piece of hype that has turned out to be vapourware.

 

[R0H1T]

BTW AMD fans, where's HYPR-RX?

Don't own an AMD card, what can I say? Got better deals on Nvidia last year!

This sort of antio-competitive behaviour is simply indefensible, but it's sure going to be fun/depressing seeing you contort yourselves trying.

It's that only if you can prove it's illegal, MS+Activision Blizzard say hi ~ which although tbh has divided this forum probably equally! I see this in the same vein.

You can't be serious man, watch the dang video, help yourself to some evidence, and a reasonable conclusion come to by many reasonable people.

Don't care really, if the market votes for DLSS+XeSS they'll thrive if not boo effin hoo! Just as people criticize Nvidia for their GPU prices & a lot of other shady stuff you can do that to any other competitor, if you want to change this vote with your wallet

 

[eidairaman1]

FSR is supported by ngreedia so this thread is moot

 

[ixi]

FSR is supported by ngreedia so this thread is moot

Was waiting for this comment .

Can add that ARC can use it too. So, where is the hype train going?

 

[TheDeeGee]

There would have to be, these are corporations exchanging either money or resources for marketing purposes and addition of features, it by definition necessitates some sort of agreement that defines the terms.

A few games having DLSS really isn't the argument winning, mic drop statement you think it is, watch the video.

here you go, timestamped too.

Best to stop responding to this guy, he's clearly defending AMD any way he can.

 

[the54thvoid]

Folks, I appreciate people place more passion in NV/AMD arguments than they do with real world problems, and I appreciate for some, it's nigh on impossible to be reasonable, but can I ask a favour?

Can those enthused by passion for debate on such global matters, please be a little bit more patient and civil?