PC is suddenly awkwardly slow before first post

[ViperXZ]

Since a few days when I start my pc he needs a heck load of time (over 80 seconds according to windows) for "BIOS time". So it's a black screen for a long time, and then he boots normally. Before it was like you'd expect, a short black screen followed by bios info and then windows startup.

What can i do to fix this, any ideas?

 

[P4-630]

What has been changed on your PC recently.

 

[wNotyarD]

Could you tell us what your specs are (or update your profile with its info)? If it's an AM5 rig, there's possibly some memory training at play here.

 

[ViperXZ]

What has been changed on your PC recently.

i bought a 4090, however the problems only started days after the upgrade

Could you tell us what your specs are (or update your profile with its info)? If it's an AM5 rig, there's possibly some memory training at play here.

its a asus X570 board, with 32 GB DDR4 3600 from g.skill. the CPU is a 5800X.

edit: i already updated a new bios to it.. didnt help.

 

[wNotyarD]

If XMP is active for your RAM, does the behavior change in any way if you deactivate it?

 

[ViperXZ]

If XMP is active for your RAM, does the behavior change in any way if you deactivate it?

I'm gonna try it out

okay, so I tried it out. without xmp he posted very fast .. then i tried xmp again and it posted fast again, 18.x bios time. however i'm not sure if it'll stay like this, so i will report on it if it's still fine after another cold start up

thanks for the help

 

[ViperXZ]

So memory training seems to be the problem.
Maybe there is an option to disable that in the BIOS.

Otherwise wait for a new BIOS.

i suspected the memory controller maybe degraded but this is 1 year old .. the Ryzen i had before this didnt degrade and also managed better ram speeds for 2 years

 

[P4-630]

then i tried xmp again and it posted fast again,

Ok missed that. Need some coffee..

Nevermind.

 

[wNotyarD]

okay, so I tried it out. without xmp he posted very fast .. then i tried xmp again and it posted fast again, 18.x bios time.

When I say electronics and computing aren't exact sciences, it isn't without basis.

 

[ViperXZ]

When I say electronics and computing aren't exact sciences, it isn't without basis.

i also have a 10m fiber optic hdmi 2.1 cable that acts out sometimes, and sometimes functions perfectly...... its frustrating .. i get the people that just buy a console and call it a day

 

[Mussels]

i bought a 4090, however the problems only started days after the upgrade


its a asus X570 board, with 32 GB DDR4 3600 from g.skill. the CPU is a 5800X.

edit: i already updated a new bios to it.. didnt help.

RAM settings are preventing it posting.
Get it to boot into the BIOS, enable XMP then set SoC voltage to 1.15v and things should stabilise.

You would have had working BIOS settings for the RAM, and something you did has reset the CMOS and triggered this - the first boot fails and fails until it hits a safety threshold (3-5 failed boots) then loads at lower speeds (2133MT/s on the RAM, usually)

Zentimings can show what you're running at - for 3600 these values should all show 1800, default SoC voltage (VSOC) is in the 0.95v to 1.09v range depending on the motherboard

 

[ViperXZ]

RAM settings are preventing it posting.
Get it to boot into the BIOS, enable XMP then set SoC voltage to 1.15v and things should stabilise.

You would have had working BIOS settings for the RAM, and something you did has reset the CMOS and triggered this - the first boot fails and fails until it hits a safety threshold (3-5 failed boots) then loads at lower speeds (2133MT/s on the RAM, usually)

Zentimings can show what you're running at - for 3600 these values should all show 1800, default SoC voltage (VSOC) is in the 0.95v to 1.09v range depending on the motherboard
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not a bad idea, but the ram loads on 3600 / 1800 always, it's coupled mode via Ryzen Master. So today I had the issue with the slow boot again, ASUS SUPPORT said i should reset cmos - didn't help at all. I can try the SOC voltage thing next, however, it was always on auto before and always worked, so it's just bizarre.

Get it to boot into the BIOS, enable XMP then set SoC voltage to 1.15v and things should stabilise.

So i tried it now, unfortunately it didn't help. The problem persists ...

 

[ViperXZ]

Sometimes the most simplest things are what escapes you, but are actually the solution. So ASUS support told me to reset the cmos (something I didn't think of because why should the BIOS suddenly be "defective" settings wise), funny enough, it helped, the PC starts fast again. Thanks to anyone who tried to help. Can be closed

 

[Mussels]

Sometimes the most simplest things are what escapes you, but are actually the solution. So ASUS support told me to reset the cmos (something I didn't think of because why should the BIOS suddenly be "defective" settings wise), funny enough, it helped, the PC starts fast again. Thanks to anyone who tried to help. Can be closed

That also resets the RAM to JEDEC speeds without XMP, so while it may have fixed things it's not exactly the perfect solution either.

 

[ViperXZ]

That also resets the RAM to JEDEC speeds without XMP, so while it may have fixed things it's not exactly the perfect solution either.

No, i never used the PC with non-XMP speeds, not even for a second. Yes the problem is maybe "fixed" with JEDEC speeds, but this isn't a solution.

That being said, good you didn't close the thread, the problem is actually back again... again, the PC just boots slowly, thats the only problem about it, no other issues. (80s something bios time)

 

[ir_cow]

If the problem goes away when XMP/DOCP is disabled, your problem is related to the memory.

 

[ViperXZ]

If the problem goes away when XMP/DOCP is disabled, your problem is related to the memory.

it most likely is, however this time the pc started normally (one other time today, not). its weird

 

[Calenhad]

How many sticks of ram and what exact G.Skill product number are they?

 

[ViperXZ]

How many sticks of ram and what exact G.Skill product number are they?

2x 16 GB DDR4 3600. Trident Z.

F4-3600C16D-16GTZ-(EOL) - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

Building on the strong success of G.SKILL Trident series, Trident Z series represents one of the world’s highest performance DDR4 DRAM memory designed for overclocking enthusiasts and extreme gamers.

www.gskill.com

 

[Calenhad]

That is the product name. You are looking for something like F4-3600C17D-32GTZ

If you run ZenTimings it will show at the very bottom, the dropdown menu.

 

[ViperXZ]

That is the product name. You are looking for something like F4-3600C17D-32GTZ

If you run ZenTimings it will show at the very bottom, the dropdown menu.

The website has all the info you will ever need.

 

[Calenhad]

The website has all the info you will ever need.

This is your problem, not mine. If you can't cough up the product number I can't try to help you.

 

[ViperXZ]

This is your problem, not mine. If you can't cough up the product number I can't try to help you.

It's fine, if you don't want to help you can leave.

 

[Mussels]

The website has all the info you will ever need.

It definitely does not.

It's fine, if you don't want to help you can leave.

You're asking people for help here, not the other way around.


You're saying two things:

1. I have a problem and need help
2. I refuse to do anything anyone asks me, because i know better.

Number two is why you have number one.