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RealWonka

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Hello there,

As its about time I perhaps wanna go for an upgrade on my setup again.
Currently playing alot of Black Desert Online again and even at 1080p Remastered Mode my VRAM seems to be the bottleneck. Basically always maxing out when playing.
Previously besides gaming i did quite a bit of different rendering works etc. so dont be suprised about the choice of CPU i did at the time. (not doing such CPU havy tasks nowadays)

I wanna aim for a consistent 1440P experience as i also wanna swap my current main monitor (34" 2560 X 1080) with a 34 " 3440X1440
I guess upgrading the GPU will be enough as the rest of the specs should be sufficient right?

Thought about the RTX 4070 or perhaps the RX 6800XT (but i guess 50€ difference is not that much so rather 4070 or something else?)

Key Specs:
  • Asus X570E AM4 Motherboard
  • Ryzen 9 3900x AM4 CPU
  • Asus Strix 2070 (not the Super Version)
  • 32 GB 3000MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM
  • 850W PowerSupply
 
6800XT is a generally faster card it will outperform the 4070 in rasterization, just not w/ RT enabled.
The 4070 is more efficient / lower power draw and has all the Nvidia accoutrement (DLSS 3, frame-gen etc).

If the performance is more important than the efficiency or features offered by Nvidia, go with the 6800 XT.
 
I went from a gtx 1080 Founders to a low-end rtx 4070 12 GB. The pc is mostly silent as, unlike the 1080's constantly-running blower, the fans don't kick in until 65 deg C. My electric bill went down an average of 5% for each month I've had it (up thru July). Everything looks sharper and clearer.

This is purely anecdotal of course. But I do not regret my purchase at all (which, I know was a bit over-priced).
 
@RealWonka I would look around for a deal with 6800XT and Starfield, even if you don;t play it, you might sell it to someone for something like 30-40$ and recoup some money.
You can't go wrong with the 4070 either(i have an Asus Dual), but that 3900X might hold any of this cards back on a high refresh monitor.
If you can wait, i would update the mobo BIOS, sell that 3900X get a 5800X3D and see what AMD will launch with the 7800 series later this year, then around Black Friday make a decision.

plat said:
low-end rtx 4070 12 GB. The pc is mostly silent as
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This is the cooler at work here not the Nvidia chipset. You can have a 400W GPU made silent by a good air or water cooler, or a 75W GPU made really loud by a thin, light and high fan rpm. cooler :)
 
4070 not ideal because of 192 bit what else can you do. you could wait for a low grade AD103 based 4070 but it could still be limited to 192 bit after all.

Since your other parts are AMD you could wait for the RX 7700 / XT and in the next months bet on that/
 
VRAM maxing out is not a sign of VRAM bottleneck, unless it comes with severe stuttering especially when assets are loading.

Both the 4070 and 6800 XT would be worthy upgrades. If you need better raytracing and/or DLSS, buy the 4070.
 
Make and model on PSU? I've seen 6950XT's for the same money as 6800XT/4070.
 
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I vote for the Radeon RX 7900 XT 20GB.
Because of AV1 support, 20 GB VRAM, AMD Radiance Display Engine for 68 billion colours at 8K@165Hz

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Black desert online does not use more than 8GB of VRAM. You'd be far better off upgrading your CPU than your GPU. A 5800X3D will boost your performance more than any GPU upgrade in that game. Given the cost you were willing to spend on a graphics card, you even have the budget for a 7800X3D platform. That will net you the best performance possible.
 
^ Agreed.

Not necessary, just dunk a 5800X3D in there along w/ a new GPU and you're all set for 1440p/144hz.
This is assuming the rig is just for gaming though, if it's multi-use then something like a 5900X would still be an improvement.
 
ARF said:
To be or not to be, that is the question :roll:

I am against the proposal to an AM5 upgrade. Absolutely not necessary at this time.
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I agree, just providing options to the OP within their budget should they place performance above value.
 
RealWonka said:
I only target stable 120 FPS on 1440P
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"Only"... :rolleyes:
Then I'm afraid your upgrade options are very limited. Maintaining constant 120 fps @ 1440p is extremely hard even on the fastest cards of today:

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Your target resolution is 3440x1440, which is still 34% higher than regular 1440p. Unless you only intend to play older / less demanding games -- or don't mind dialing down the settings -- I wouldn't go lower than the 7900XT, or the RTX4070Ti if RT is a must.
 
Swapping to a 5800X3D or 5900x seem valid (Currently only a 20€ difference, and as i read up on it seem its a give and take between both CPUs)
As for the GPU im not yet so sure i guess i will wait a bit and see what AMD will acutally release in September/October and base my decison up on that.

Will then either settle on a 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 34" Monitor as well.
 
Don't need upgrade the video card. Going with a 5800X3D will easily get you 20-30 more fps with a 2070 from the 3800X you have.
 
plat said:
I went from a gtx 1080 Founders to a low-end rtx 4070 12 GB. The pc is mostly silent as, unlike the 1080's constantly-running blower, the fans don't kick in until 65 deg C. My electric bill went down an average of 5% for each month I've had it (up thru July). Everything looks sharper and clearer.

This is purely anecdotal of course. But I do not regret my purchase at all (which, I know was a bit over-priced).
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Was that a single fan card ?, i use a evga 1080 and i never hear the fans ramp up.
 
RealWonka said:
Swapping to a 5800X3D or 5900x seem valid (Currently only a 20€ difference, and as i read up on it seem its a give and take between both CPUs)
As for the GPU im not yet so sure i guess i will wait a bit and see what AMD will acutally release in September/October and base my decison up on that.

Will then either settle on a 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 34" Monitor as well.
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For gaming, there's no give and take. The 5800X3D is better.
 
Eskimonster said:
Was that a single fan card ?, i use a evga 1080 and i never hear the fans ramp up.
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Yes, a blower style, it was/is a Founders card. To my recollection, it was always "on" at around 1100 rpm during normal operations In contrast, the two fans on my current 4070, have only come on very briefly maybe twice (?) in the three months I've had it. So yes, @droopyRO is correct in that the savings on the electric bill is due to this primarily (the fan curve). :)
 
AnotherReader said:
For gaming, there's no give and take. The 5800X3D is better.
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Particularly for MMOs, which love the cache. Right in the OP's use case.

plat said:
Yes, a blower style, it was/is a Founders card. To my recollection, it was always "on" at around 1100 rpm during normal operations In contrast, the two fans on my current 4070, have only come on very briefly maybe twice (?) in the three months I've had it. So yes, @droopyRO is correct in that the savings on the electric bill is due to this primarily (the fan curve). :)
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GPU fans consume at most 2 watts (including cards with 3 fans. Having a fan at 1000 RPM vs 0 means you are looking at a fraction of a watt of power savings. A 5% reduction in a user's power bill more likely attributable to the fact that the 4070 provides vastly more frames per watt than the user's 1080. I say likely because there are many other factors that will impact your power bill like the unit price per kwh you are paying or changes in consumption that could easily account for that 5%. To jump to the conclusion that it is GPU fan power consumption when is the least likely thing to make a noticeable impact on a power bill is misguided.
 
Was also playing with the idea of waiting a bit and simply selling my current PC as it is and building a new one.
Specs could be along the lines of:
  • Ryzen 7 7800X3D
  • B650 Motherboard
  • 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30 RAM
  • 850W Power Supply or higher
  • Fractal Design North Case (white)
  • And a Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler (or the NH-D15)
For GPU then checking if i can find a good deal on a 4070Ti, 7900XT or perhaps the 7800XT (depending on actual specs and price) within the next months.

As for the monitor im not yet sure if to go with a 34" 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 (ultra wide), but definetly want to swap my current 2560x1080 one.
 
RealWonka said:
Was also playing with the idea of waiting a bit and simply selling my current PC as it is and building a new one.
Specs could be along the lines of:
  • Ryzen 7 7800X3D
  • B650 Motherboard
  • 32GB DDR5-6000 CL30 RAM
  • 850W Power Supply or higher
  • Fractal Design North Case (white)
  • And a Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler (or the NH-D15)
For GPU then checking if i can find a good deal on a 4070Ti, 7900XT or perhaps the 7800XT (depending on actual specs and price) within the next months.

As for the monitor im not yet sure if to go with a 34" 2560x1440 or 3440x1440 (ultra wide), but definetly want to swap my current 2560x1080 one.
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Just upgrading to a 5800X3D would be sufficient for your needs. That would allow you to allocate more of your budget towards the monitor and the GPU.
 
plat said:
Yes, a blower style, it was/is a Founders card. To my recollection, it was always "on" at around 1100 rpm during normal operations In contrast, the two fans on my current 4070, have only come on very briefly maybe twice (?) in the three months I've had it. So yes, @droopyRO is correct in that the savings on the electric bill is due to this primarily (the fan curve). :)
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Most GPU fans consume about 0.5A at 12V, so about 6W/hour at 100%. Not even if you leave your PC on all day with both the fan's at 100%, you will not see a difference in the electric bill. You might consume around 8 kWh in that scenario in a month. With the prices i have for electricity, it would amount to about 2$(Euros) a month.
 
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