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I am planning on getting some powered speakers for myself and plugged into the PC. I read some forums and there seems to be enough people saying get an amp and dac and passive speakers instead for better sound. But then you would be relying on dac and amp and speaker?

Basically would be for listening to classical music and other genres of music. Budget $400-$600 CAD
 
Personal choice. I prefer a DAC, topping D10s, amp, and speakers, MS M10 myself. I guess there is nothing wrong with a good pair of studio monitors though.
 
even a 20 dollar USB DAC from Sharkoon sounds significantly better than premium onboard audio.
 
I bought this Panasonic set a while ago, even got a CD player and DAB+ FM radio. (2x60W)

Connected to PC by optical cable.

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even a 20 dollar USB DAC from Sharkoon sounds significantly better than premium onboard audio.
Not sure. I tried one before and it sounded worse. When I say worse I mean worse than my headphones and speakers directly plugged into analog vs through optical connected dac. maybe it was a dud or I did something wrong. Who knows? I would still need an amp though? Not a fan of the extra clutter but open to the idea. Passive speakers are cheaper so could reallocate funds to dac and amp.
Edit. I guess some powered ones have optical in. I’m guessing that means they have a dac built in?
 
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For music definitely hook up a passive system. 600 should get you a basic 5.1 setup, or better yet go for 2.1 / 2.0 at higher quality.

Active speakers are much more prone to breaking. Amps almost never do, and passive speakers neither and are easy to fix. Im looking at 19 years now on my Harman kardon setup, the only part giving the ghost was the active sub, replaced it with another one for a hundred bucks :)
 
Optical in = built-in DAC.

Cheap DACs are extremely hit/miss. Many are awful and measure terribly, while some few can be superb. On top of that, subjective preferences are a huge factor - one can easily prefer a terrible DAC over one that is superb, especially if one's only references are shitty things like boom boxes and bad earplugs/headphones.

For music definitely hook up a passive system. 600 should get you a basic 5.1 setup, or better yet go for 2.1 / 2.0 at higher quality.

Agreed. A good quality 2/2.1 system will beat a mediocre 5.1 any day of the week and will probably be cheaper.

As for passive vs active, I don't know. I'd prefer to avoid the added clutter myself (at the PC at least) and I would suggest having a look at Audioengine. They've got a sale on at the moment I see and I'd suggest checking out the A5+ for instance. Pretty nice sound for the price.
 
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Optical in = built-in DAC.

Cheap DACs are extremely hit/miss. Many are awful and measure terribly, while some few can be superb. On top of that, subjective preferences are a huge factor - one can easily prefer a terrible DAC over one that is superb, especially if one's only references are shitty things like boom boxes and bad earplugs/headphones.



Agreed. A good quality 2/2.1 system will beat a mediocre 5.1 any day of the week and will probably be cheaper.

As for passive vs active, I don't know. I'd prefer to avoid the added clutter myself (at the PC at least) and I would suggest having a look at Audioengine. They've got a sale on at the moment I see and I'd suggest checking out the A5+ for instance. Pretty nice sound for the price.
Well passive/active, its a fact. An amp plus passives generally has better cooling plus there's just more space for components, AND most importantly, vibrations aren't near the electronics. There's really just no wear on those things other than current going through circuits and in the speakers, a speaker cone that might rupture or just lose its quality. They don't necessarily sound better, than active, I do agree on that. And you're right, cable clutter is a thing.
 
For music definitely hook up a passive system. 600 should get you a basic 5.1 setup, or better yet go for 2.1 / 2.0 at higher quality.

Active speakers are much more prone to breaking. Amps almost never do, and passive speakers neither and are easy to fix. Im looking at 19 years now on my Harman kardon setup, the only part giving the ghost was the active sub, replaced it with another one for a hundred bucks :)
Ya. 2.0 preferred. Another thing I forgot to mention….
 
Sorry this is going to be so long and probably dense based on past reactions.

Basically would be for listening to classical music and other genres of music. Budget $400-$600 CAD

Tight budget even before everyone attempted seeing what the market will bear. CAD does not improve this outlook.

Correct any wrong assumptions here that listening will primarily take place in the nearfield at below concert dB levels, you are willing to apply yourself towards a thoughtfully improved outcome for better sound quality, and have arrived at a preferred type of sound you would like to recreate.

For the sake of conversation I'll suggest powered 2.1 both for common sense and musicality. In the physical world small speakers cannot accurately reproduce a wide range of frequencies. Add to this packing all of the electronics into one of the cabinets requires a lot of jiggery pokery to have a balanced sound output out of both channels. Even if you completely turn off reinforcement by the sub it is creating better sound.

If you have space for something larger than any sane person would consider suitable for a desk there is not a single reason to avoid passive. Used with your budget. Denser cabinets and larger driver air movement allow a much better starting point. Obviously this is the more expensive route requiring some luck and expertise. Amp/speakers/DAC for under $600 CAD involves too many tradeoffs for what I would consider playing classical through. Plus cost of peripherals (wires, connectors, bits and bobs).



Honestly for anything approximating tonal and lifelike (Classical and other acoustic music) output $600 for DAC alone will be tough. Below quote only signifies we have a similar outcome in mind. Trusting your ears and then improving where measurements assert something is being left on the table. Problem you are going to keep encountering is most music is mastered for radio and cheap cell speakers/wireless earbuds. Thus most powered speakers are voiced for low DR music and boomy bass.
Not sure. I tried one before and it sounded worse. When I say worse I mean worse than my headphones and speakers directly plugged into analog vs through optical connected dac. maybe it was a dud or I did something wrong.

Continuing...
Passive speakers are cheaper so could reallocate funds to dac and amp.

Au contraire mon frère. Passive only get more and more expensive. Even the ones that have a built in powered bass amp/crossover. There is economy of scale putting amp/preamp/dac in one box or placing amp/crossover/dac inside speakers. "Cheaper" flea market 70's speakers won't sound good even after a full recapping/refoaming/resoldering/....



Where my own experimenting lead in this price range will be hard to recapture.

KORG DS-DAC-100M was US $75 before being discontinued.
HiVi Swans M10 speakers were US $80 (+shipping/taxes/etc bringing them near $100).
US $5 thickest best isolated USB-A to mini USB I could find
US $10 better product line Acoustic Research 3.5mm to RCA cable

Sounded pretty awful. Speakers/amp needed a lot of running in and so did the DAC. Where the biggest improvement beyond settling in arrived making Classical listenable?
100 hours testing/refining and around US $30 constructing matching isolation speaker platforms placing them at correct height for my ears.

M10 are pretty sterile speakers with some comparison to monitors common. This goes for the sub as well. As compact powered speakers go it is on the low end of flabby boomy bass. It was still almost intolerable to me. The best compliment that can be paid to a separate bass enclosure is not being able to tell if it is on. Everything up to the highest highs seems more enjoyable without intrusion or noticeable mechanical separation. Outside of industrial processes I employed nearly every trick in constructing multi-layer platforms. What I did not do was mess with the electronics or make any modifications that would allow changing cables/terminations.

At this level of hardware claims they sound very different from simply being plopped down on a flat surface shouldn't come off as specious. The basic principles and decisions apply broadly across anything you are likely to purchase. Spend some time on the acoustics, the distance and angle speakers are at relative to your seat, then make increasingly smaller adjustments from there while expecting complete failure numerous times. Pushing one thing producing better sound often leads to another nullify it. Especially across the wide dynamic and tonal ranges explored in Classical instrumentation.

Where new from the factory speakers are involved there is no getting around putting them to work daily until they have fully made the physical changes required to be reactive and sensitive!
 
Something to consider. Quite a bit of bang for the buck here, although even in CAD the price is higher than the USD equivalent.

 
I would go secondhand and go AV and speakers, and if mainly for classical go Marantz, and if you want it to connect to PC need a HDMI one.

Maybe the old Infinity spears be good for you ?, would have to make sure they have not rotted\ or foams been replaced but they are good with Classical music.
 
I'm lucky, my little amp has 3 channels, 56w x3 L/R and one channel for a passive sub(80hz iirc) My sound setup sounds really cracking to me and i would no go for powered speakers as i can swap and change my passives as i like whereas you are stuck with active ones. has a built in mic, or connector for one, so i can use a headset with mic and speaker plugs too, and it has a aux input.
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My vote will always go for DAC/amp/speakers
 
Well passive/active, its a fact. An amp plus passives generally has better cooling plus there's just more space for components, AND most importantly, vibrations aren't near the

These things were issues before, but need not be so today. Class D amps generate very little heat, take up very little space and are frequently mounted externally on the cabinet anyway. Nor are vibrations an issue as long as things are sensibly constructed.

As far as wear & tear/longevity is concerned, passive speakers score a qualified win. Qualified because a pair of decent active speakers will last a long time and chances are you'll likely swap them for something else well within their operational lifetime.
 
all in one sound system or hifi seperates :p
 
Sorry this is going to be so long and probably dense based on past reactions.



Tight budget even before everyone attempted seeing what the market will bear. CAD does not improve this outlook.

Correct any wrong assumptions here that listening will primarily take place in the nearfield at below concert dB levels, you are willing to apply yourself towards a thoughtfully improved outcome for better sound quality, and have arrived at a preferred type of sound you would like to recreate.

For the sake of conversation I'll suggest powered 2.1 both for common sense and musicality. In the physical world small speakers cannot accurately reproduce a wide range of frequencies. Add to this packing all of the electronics into one of the cabinets requires a lot of jiggery pokery to have a balanced sound output out of both channels. Even if you completely turn off reinforcement by the sub it is creating better sound.

If you have space for something larger than any sane person would consider suitable for a desk there is not a single reason to avoid passive. Used with your budget. Denser cabinets and larger driver air movement allow a much better starting point. Obviously this is the more expensive route requiring some luck and expertise. Amp/speakers/DAC for under $600 CAD involves too many tradeoffs for what I would consider playing classical through. Plus cost of peripherals (wires, connectors, bits and bobs).



Honestly for anything approximating tonal and lifelike (Classical and other acoustic music) output $600 for DAC alone will be tough. Below quote only signifies we have a similar outcome in mind. Trusting your ears and then improving where measurements assert something is being left on the table. Problem you are going to keep encountering is most music is mastered for radio and cheap cell speakers/wireless earbuds. Thus most powered speakers are voiced for low DR music and boomy bass.


Continuing...


Au contraire mon frère. Passive only get more and more expensive. Even the ones that have a built in powered bass amp/crossover. There is economy of scale putting amp/preamp/dac in one box or placing amp/crossover/dac inside speakers. "Cheaper" flea market 70's speakers won't sound good even after a full recapping/refoaming/resoldering/....



Where my own experimenting lead in this price range will be hard to recapture.

KORG DS-DAC-100M was US $75 before being discontinued.
HiVi Swans M10 speakers were US $80 (+shipping/taxes/etc bringing them near $100).
US $5 thickest best isolated USB-A to mini USB I could find
US $10 better product line Acoustic Research 3.5mm to RCA cable

Sounded pretty awful. Speakers/amp needed a lot of running in and so did the DAC. Where the biggest improvement beyond settling in arrived making Classical listenable?
100 hours testing/refining and around US $30 constructing matching isolation speaker platforms placing them at correct height for my ears.

M10 are pretty sterile speakers with some comparison to monitors common. This goes for the sub as well. As compact powered speakers go it is on the low end of flabby boomy bass. It was still almost intolerable to me. The best compliment that can be paid to a separate bass enclosure is not being able to tell if it is on. Everything up to the highest highs seems more enjoyable without intrusion or noticeable mechanical separation. Outside of industrial processes I employed nearly every trick in constructing multi-layer platforms. What I did not do was mess with the electronics or make any modifications that would allow changing cables/terminations.

At this level of hardware claims they sound very different from simply being plopped down on a flat surface shouldn't come off as specious. The basic principles and decisions apply broadly across anything you are likely to purchase. Spend some time on the acoustics, the distance and angle speakers are at relative to your seat, then make increasingly smaller adjustments from there while expecting complete failure numerous times. Pushing one thing producing better sound often leads to another nullify it. Especially across the wide dynamic and tonal ranges explored in Classical instrumentation.

Where new from the factory speakers are involved there is no getting around putting them to work daily until they have fully made the physical changes required to be reactive and sensitive!
Nice,

Well currently this is what I have lol https://ca.creative.com/p/speakers/creative-pebble

Honestly good enough for most things. I am not an audiophile, I don't analyze the sound, I just enjoy the music. My headset is a Senny/Epos Game One, which I find good as well, however bass is more like pressure pulsations than sound. So that's what they have to beat lol. I do have a separate budget for some acoustic tiles to hang on the walls, mainly to keep the sound in as to not disturb the family.

Pricing, well that's an up to budget, if it comes in at $200, that's fine as well, I could problably go to $715 ish CAD, but if it really is worth it. Room size, my home office 8'x10', speakers probably up in the corners about 5ft from my face.
So ya, bookshelf size speakers.

So far was looking at these (or similar) for powered options.....with analog, and preferrably built in optical and bluetooth as a nice to have

Some passives I was looking at (or similar)

So at this point, just trying to narrow down some options, and see if any of them come on sale between now and Christmas.
 
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Either of those 3 would likely satisfy you plenty, given the stated requirements. Not sure if the M-Audio speakers have an option for sub-out and if not I would skip them, just in case you decide you want to add a subwoofer at some point.

I've only heard the Audioengine speakers myself, which I liked a lot.
 
Either of those 3 would likely satisfy you plenty, given the stated requirements. Not sure if the M-Audio speakers have an option for sub-out and if not I would skip them, just in case you decide you want to add a subwoofer at some point.

I've only heard the Audioengine speakers myself, which I liked a lot.
Klipsch used to have a set of powered speakers that would go on sale for $575 sometimes
However they are discontinued and the replacements are closer to 3 times that
 
@mechtech

In case it wasn't clear I was suggesting shopping less on claimed features and either going with the smartest below budget powered speakers and home made stands.
Or making a bit more effort putting together a passive system that is more engaging at low volumes.
Either scenario plays out better if you focus on equipment designed for your intended use. Example provided was to remove ideas of better equating with higher cost!

Also acoustic tiles you are referring to have a better chance of absorbing certain frequencies in an attempt to tune resonance inside the room so it sounds better. Sound proofing is I assure you a much much larger ordeal. Especially with the wavelength of lower frequencies someone 30' away will hear clearly while you barely notice them.

Looking over the last half decade a lot of the BT functionality/proprietary apps/ etc associated with powered speakers have proven to be a variable hard to count on long term. Suffice to say those Pebbles are the result of very expensive and highly educated design that allow them to be many things to many people. Software rarely fits that description or is maintained to it. Something to consider or dispose of as you wish.

My personal feeling is if you could find a decent set of modern passive speakers that improved with rest of your audio equipment. A better amp or source arriving later would be ultimately rewarding for a longer duration.
 
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For most a Klipsch Pro Media set is enough. That said I use a Fiio DAC/head amp paired with a Micca Origain to some Polk bookshelfs and an Andrew whatchamcallit Pioneer powered sub.
 
Well, back when I was delving in audio, JBL's LSR305's were the powered speakers of choice for many, I myself went with a pair of KRK Rokit5 Gen3's. But, since moving out of my spacious old place to a dinky apartment for myself, I'd realized that desk apace is rather limited (besides, my 32:9 49" monitor takes up a whole lotta desk area), so I sold off my Rokit5 gen3's for a Philips Fidelio B97 soundbar, even have an LG soundbar for my 2nd rig.
 
I figured out that I'm not that sensitive to audio quality so I'm happy with my current active speakers.
 
Thought about this more. Perhaps a secondary set of headphones would get more use and better suited to my requirements. (open back to head kids/pets, and less external noise)

I have seen impedance from 20 ohms to 600 ohms. Is there advantages/disadvantages? Would these be best plugged directly into analog or optical with a dac/amp?

So far have been looking at
Sennheiser HD599
Beyherdynamic DT880
MassDrop-Senns HD6XX
 
I would highly recommend AKG K-701 or 702. To my ears they are significantly better and more neutral than the Sennheisers you list (I've tried both) and also better than the Beyers, while being cheaper than either of them.
 
For Classical still?

NAD Viso HP50 (aftermarket since they are discontinued) would be a good target for you in Canada where they are based. Use a high quality player software with ASIO. If your head is shaped like a massive ball they are not for you sadly. To save you the trouble of looking, very low Ohm and closed back. In real life that means you can hear the wife screaming at you better than she can hear you trying to ignore her. :love: Sound is non-fatiguing and neutral with ample bass for any closeted Prog ambitions that poke their way out in dark moments.


I'll be honest none more than the MassDrop, and honestly none, you mentioned are in any way designed for Classical. To greater or lesser amounts voicing is decidedly bass heavy and delivered expecting the user will EQ the snot out of them to reproduce death metal or techno at ear lobes flapping volumes.

Again being utterly honest, lower end DAC vs onboard pc/phone audio should be given the same consideration as a all the way to bottom of still usable low end gpu vs modern onboard graphics. You can spend a fairly considerable amount to realize next to nothing replacing something that was intrinsically as well paired and trouble free as possible. Shades of your trials with a cheap amp found online. Someone blaring rock and other highly compressed pop music might like the sound.

If you aren't finicky it may just be worth avoiding this pairing unless you feel it is required. Or have strong enough interest to research and collect a few with varied ideas in how they sound or work. Get a solid low priced 10' (or whatever is comfortable length) headphone cable or two and plug it directly into your PC. Find the simple solutions that improve your enjoyment without adding stress.
 
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