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MSI Readies BIOS Update for 14th Generation Intel Core Processors to Enable APO

fevgatos said:
It doesn't matter what I have, is what I said wrong? Have they increased core counts lately?
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No they haven't. ATM They don't need to do it to compete with the i9, (and the architecture and the socket made it hard to do so, at least until zen c). Just like Intel didn't need to go above four cores for a full decade.
 
dyonoctis said:
No they haven't. ATM They don't need to do it to compete with the i9, (and the architecture and the socket made it hard to do so, at least until zen c). Just like Intel didn't need to go above four cores for a full decade.
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But they need it to compete with the lower tiers. Their top r7 cpu is losing not only to an i7 but also to an i5. Handily too.

It feels like ryzen 1 vs kabylake but in reverse.
 
stimpy88 said:
Do they need to?
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Yes. Their latest R5 (7600x) is losing to an i5 from 3 generations ago in MT performance. Heck, even their R7 (like the 7800x 3d / 7700x) is barely ahead of a 3gen old i5 (12600k). What do you think?
 
fevgatos said:
Yes. Their latest R5 (7600x) is losing to an i5 from 3 generations ago in MT performance. Heck, even their R7 (like the 7800x 3d / 7700x) is barely ahead of a 3gen old i5 (12600k). What do you think?
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Well, it's not long until Zen5 based products launch. But if they have better perf than Intel, then do they need more cores? I think 16 is not bad, and 16 cores with +-20 more perf is nothing to be sniffed at, and is basically 3 cores more, if you want to look at it that way...

The basic question is how much software takes advantage of 16+ cores. Almost none outside of specialized software, and for that you have Epic or Threadripper.

Pretty much nothing apart from 3D graphics rendering takes advantage of more than 8 cores, 16 threads. Media rendering is done mostly on GPU's these days, so another use case out the window...
 
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stimpy88 said:
Well, it's not long until Zen5 based products launch. But if they have better perf than Intel, then do they need more cores? I think 16 is not bad, and 16 cores with +-20 more perf is nothing to be sniffed at, and is basically 3 cores more, if you want to look at it that way...

The basic question is how much software takes advantage of 16+ cores. Almost none outside of specialized software, and for that you have Epic or Threadripper.

Pretty much nothing apart from 3D graphics rendering takes advantage of more than 8 cores, 16 threads. Media rendering is done mostly on GPU's these days, so another use case out the window...
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You realize that the 7600x does not have 16 cores right?
 
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