Ryzen 7 5800x3d or 7800x3d

[devgru]

I have ryzen 7 3800x right now, 32 gb ram and 3070. I play games at 3440x1440 and I wonder which one is better for me. The 7800x3d would require new motherboard, ram, etc. Is it worth the price or should I just go with 5800x3d?

 

[ir_cow]

The 3800X is holding you back a little at max settings, but once. you become GPU bound, things chance. I would suggest 5800X3d of the 2 choices unless your itching to upgrade

 

[NSX05]

I have ryzen 7 3800x right now, 32 gb ram and 3070. I play games at 3440x1440 and I wonder which one is better for me. The 7800x3d would require new motherboard, ram, etc. Is it worth the price or should I just go with 5800x3d?

At that resolution, I would expect you to be GPU limited more often than CPU limited, so an entirely new AM5 system wouldn't seem worthwhile in my opinion.

 

[ruff0r]

I have ryzen 7 3800x right now, 32 gb ram and 3070. I play games at 3440x1440 and I wonder which one is better for me. The 7800x3d would require new motherboard, ram, etc. Is it worth the price or should I just go with 5800x3d?

Am4 for cheap upgrade.
Am5 You can update along the way when new cpu´s come out.
Maybe the in between with a cheap Am5 and a 7500f 149$ here and upgrade later to a 8700x3D or so on along the road.

 

[Dr. Dro]

5800X3D, no need to change platform.

 

[ir_cow]

At that resolution, I would expect you to be GPU limited more often than CPU limited, so an entirely new AM5 system wouldn't seem worthwhile in my opinion.

When I did GPu reviews for Nvidia 20 series (not on this site) there was a good 15-30% gap between the 3800X and Intel 10900K at 1080p max setting. Once I swapped to the 5800X for the next 30 series launch, they were even.

 

[mechtech]

I have ryzen 7 3800x right now, 32 gb ram and 3070. I play games at 3440x1440 and I wonder which one is better for me. The 7800x3d would require new motherboard, ram, etc. Is it worth the price or should I just go with 5800x3d?

Well for higher resolutions it matters less. You're over 1440p, but under 4k, but close enough may as well use it for reference. At that resolution personally I wouldn't bother............unless you can find a really great deal on a 5800x3d...................

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ir_cow]

Both 5800x3d and 7800x3d are massive upgrades, but you need to be playing at lower resolution and or a much more powerful graphics card to see the frame rate increase significantly.

 

[dir_d]

5800x3d all day, cheaper plus 1% lows will thank you

 

[Princess Garnet]

The 7800X3D is ~15% better on average than the 5800X3D according to the CPU hierarchy chart on Tom's Hardware. The extra cost of an AM5 board and DDR5 RAM on top of the extra cost of the 7800X3D over the 5800X3D is altogether probably going to outpace that performance difference by far. So I'd go with the 5800X3D in your case.

If you weren't already on AM4, then I'd say go with the newer one.

I don't think the fact that AM5 has another generation coming will matter here unless you plan on moving from the 7800X3D to the 9800X3D (or whatever it ends up being numbered/called), in which case that's even more cost you need to factor in.

I'd either sit with the 3800X and move to AM5 when the next Ryzen generation launches (preferably the X3D) or go with the 5800X3D now and enjoy it until you want more. The 7800X3D, though it's about the best thing on AMD's side, doesn't seem too appealing from a cost perspective in your position.

Edit: For reference, I am on AM4 and had a 3700X and changed it to a 5800X3D early this year. There's quite a difference between them (but I play some CPU reliant games).

 

[ir_cow]

Why aren't we referencing TPU 7800X3d review? It has all the information you need for a 1:1 comparison.

The only misleading part of that chart is it was with a RTX 4090. The 3070 isn't going to anywhere near that much uplift.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU

AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[phanbuey]

If the 5800x3d upgrade will also allow you to upgrade the GPU then do that.

I would grab the new 4080 Super and a 5800x3d or 5700x3d all day long and then wait for 5 / 6 series.

 

[wickerman]

I was in a similar spot and went with the 5800x3d simply because it was a big enough upgrade over my previous cpu and let me reuse my ddr4 at a time when ddr5 was much more expensive. Today ddr5 is cheaper but its still an added cost - on top of an added cost - on top of the cpu itself so it made more sense to me to upgrade to the 5800x3d and put the savings into a gpu upgrade. 3440x1440 100hz is where im at as well, so my RTX 2080 is becoming more of limiting factor.

But I will say, if AM5 gets the longevity that AM4 has enjoyed so far, its easier to see the cost difference as a wash as it means you get performance and features you can use today that AM4 doesnt offer. The IGP is handy for extra monitors, troubleshooting, and if ya need lots of high speed USBC, additional high speed nvme, and the like... X3D chips on both sockets dont really care about fast ram given how much cache they have right there on package, so cheaper DDR5 probably wont hold you back later.

 

[Tropick]

Probably 5800X3D, cheap upgrade and incredible performance. My 5800X3D + 6950XT still delivers ridiculous performance and is making this black friday a lot easier on my wallet. You won't regret it.

 

[phanbuey]

cpu matters so little tbh esp if youre at 1440P ultrawide on a 3070 grab a used 5800x and then upgrade the video card to the new 4080's with the remaining $$$.

I would even get the video card first tbh.

 

[Speedyblupi]

There are rumours that AMD is going to release a "Ryzen 7 5700X3D" soon, which should be similar to the 5800X3D, but cheaper (effectively the same as what the 5700X is to the 5800X - they're physically the same CPU, the 5800X just has higher clock frequency, and there isn't a large performance difference).

It might be worth waiting to see whether these rumours are true.

And aside from that, for 3440x1440, it would likely be more useful to upgrade your GPU than your CPU, though this depends on what games you play. Nvidia is expected to announce RTX 4000-series SUPER GPUs at CES in January, and these should provide much better value and performance than current RTX 4000-series GPUs. The RTX 4070 Ti and RTX 4080 are especially underwhelming for their price, but the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER is expected to be about as fast as an RTX 4080, for not much more than the price of an RTX 4070 Ti.

I recently upgraded from a Ryzen 3 2300X and RX 480 to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and RX 7800 XT (slightly faster than an RTX 4070). I play games at 1440p. The GPU upgrade seemed to be far more impactful than the CPU upgrade, which surprised me, though this might just be because I did the GPU upgrade first. But I will say, if your GPU is only an RTX 3070 and you game at 1440p ultrawide, most games (except for simulation, tycoon, and strategy games, which tend to really love V-cache, and often aren't particularly GPU-intensive) will not benefit significantly from upgrading from a 3800X to a 5800X3D.

 

[Nordic]

It depends on what you play. Do you play a lot of heavily single threaded games? 7800x3d is almost a must in some games. If you are not playing single threaded demanding games, get that 5800x3d.

 

[Princess Garnet]

Why aren't we referencing TPU 7800X3d review? It has all the information you need for a 1:1 comparison.

If that was towards me, I admit I tend to default to that one since I believe their suite is comprised of one the largest amount of games, but I'm open to being wrong on that.

TechPowerUp has it at 16% apart, and Tom's Hardware had it at just under 14% (though it seems they've updated it to 2023 only so the 5800X3D is now in a legacy only chart?) so split that and my 15% number is still seemingly pretty close regardless of what one's preferred source is.

Regardless of if you want to say it's 14%, 16%, or 20%, my overall point is that to anyone on AM4 already, the performance advantage you can get on AM5 usually doesn't match the increased costs. I think Zen 5 and especially the X3D is when that will finally change more (if not in cost/performance, then at least in the widened raw performance gap itself).

There are rumours that AMD is going to release a "Ryzen 7 5700X3D" soon, which should be similar to the 5800X3D, but cheaper (effectively the same as what the 5700X is to the 5800X - they're physically the same CPU, the 5800X just has higher clock frequency, and there isn't a large performance difference).

It might be worth waiting to see whether these rumours are true.

The rumors are stating a possible 5700X3D and 5500X3D could come, yes.

However, the reason the 5700X is generally more appealing than the 5800X (and it's the same reason the 5600 is generally more appealing then the 5600X) is because they perform almost identically while being cheaper. With the rumored specs of the 5700X3D and 5500X3D, I'm not sure the same thing will apply.

They are rumored to be 400 MHz slower. It's enough that the 5600X3D might actually outperform the 5700X3D by a bit on average, and there's not exactly a big price gap between the 5600X3D and 5800X3D as it is. So I'm not sure I see a major appeal to the 5700X3D at these rumored specs unless it's like equal in price to the 5600X3D and has global availability. I think the 5500X3D has some merit though, given it might be cheaper yet and might even be 65W. The possibility of a 65W TDP is what I actually find most interesting from that whole rumor. Might make an interesting chip for some low cost AM4 owners.

Rumored specs last I knew...

Ryzen 7 5800X3D - 8 cores/16 threads, 3.4 GHz base/4.5 GHz boost, 105W
Ryzen 7 5800X3D - 8 cores/16 threads, 3 GHz base/4.1 GHz boost, ??
Ryzen 5 5600X3D - 6 cores/12 threads, 3.3 GHz base/4.4 GHz boost, 105W
Ryzen 5 5500X3D - 6 cores/12 threads, 3 GHz base/4 GHz boost, ??

But waiting on rumors is a gamble.

 

[AusWolf]

I agree with the above - the 5800X3D is plenty, and because you already have an AM4 system, upgrading to AM5 wouldn't be worth the cost.

 

[jesdals]

I would say try to optimize your current system - what motherboard do you have? And if its already tuned or afterwards then make the decission - I would like to see 5800x3d running 1900MHz or better infinity settings with matching memory settings that would be nice and great to be able to se AM4 at its finest

 

[ratirt]

7800x3d since it is faster and the platform is here to stay for longer. AM4 is basically done now and there is no upgrade path.
The prices for mobo and ram are slowly getting down so it is not as appalling as it used to be.

 

[ir_cow]

If that was towards me, I admit I tend to default to that one since I believe their suite is comprised of one the largest amount of games, but I'm open to being wrong on that.

TechPowerUp has it at 16% apart, and Tom's Hardware had it at just under 14% (though it seems they've updated it to 2023 only so the 5800X3D is now in a legacy only chart?) so split that and my 15% number is still seemingly pretty close regardless of what one's preferred source is.

Not just directed at you, but knowing how Wiz does reviews, I trust his data a lot more. No doubt it is always good to check out other sites.

 

[taka]

I have same 3070 but running on a 5600x and have the same dilemma. Going with a 5800x3d will not bring more FPS (5-15% depending on game), only better 1% low for 230-250 USD. If I will change the GPU yes a better CPU will be required since the 5600x will not drive a GPU better than 3080 without a bottleneck. Me i will keep this for a while and do a full system upgrade when the time comes.

And BTW the 5800x3d is not that easy to cool as the 5600x so this will bring also a new cooler beside the CPU cost.

 

[Chomiq]

And BTW the 5800x is not that easy to cool as the 5600x so this will bring also a new cooler beside the CPU cost.

It really isn't. I switched from 3700x to 5800x while keeping my Dark Rock 4 and temps are nearly identical.

I'm running my setup with 3080 Ti, 5800x at 3440x1440, whenever I run into limitations they are GPU related. No point in upgrading entire platform so your best bet is to get 5800X(3D).

 

[taka]

It really isn't. I switched from 3700x to 5800x while keeping my Dark Rock 4 and temps are nearly identical.

I was talking about the x3d but from my head to my keyboard something went wrong