7800X3D vs 14900K video by HWUB. What would you choose for gaming?

[FoulOnWhite]

No. It's because this specific video was sponsored by the company he's reviewing from. So basically, he built a rig and advertised it on Intel's commands.

When you watch the GN review of a new graphics card, you never hear Steve saying "this video is sponsored by AMD/Nvidia".

Edit: Sponsoring works either by you calling X company to ask if they can give you some money or material for your next video, or by X company calling you and saying that a nice pile of cash is gonna land in your pocket if you say something nice about their product. The second case is just a paid ad, but even in the first case, you wouldn't betray X company's trust by saying bad things about their product in the very same video that they helped you create, would you? They didn't pay you to portray them in a bad light, obviously, and if you do, you can be damn sure they won't pay you again.

So, sponsored reviews, no thank you.

You are still implying he cannot be objective in the review because he says he got the parts from intel. sponsored, just means they gave him the parts to review, not that they gave him a wad for doing it.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

.... sponsored, just means they gave him the parts to review, not that they gave him a wad for doing it.

Sponsored means "we give you money and you say what we want". Independent reviewers also get the things that they review for free and are not oblidged to say anything, they are just expected to review the product somehow.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Sponsored means "we give you money and you say what we want". Independent reviewers also get the things that they review for free and are not oblidged to say anything, they are just expected to review the product somehow.

not necessarily it doesn't. People just think that but has anyone ever actually stated that as a fact? "I was given these parts to say what they told me to say", if so show me.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Well if the reviewer gets to keep the parts they reviewed they did get paid.
Others have to forward parts on or back to where it came from so compensation might be in cash... or none at all.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Hi,
Well if the reviewer gets to keep the parts they reviewed they did get paid.
Others have to forward parts on or back to where it came from so compensation might be in cash... or none at all.

Did he state he kept the parts?

If any reviewer takes money or parts to say what the supplier wants, or do a positive review, then they should not be doing it in the first place.

 

[R0H1T]

No one discloses that for their reviews, unless there's some major controversy!

But unless the parts were bought/paid for by the reviewer or his patrons this is how they secure the hardware.

 

[sethmatrix7]

Hi,
Well if the reviewer gets to keep the parts they reviewed they did get paid.
Others have to forward parts on or back to where it came from so compensation might be in cash... or none at all.

Many many manufacturers do not require sending back review units. Those units can't be resold so their only value is being used as another review unit or a warranty unit.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
They usually send review samples but I agree not many disclose that.
Review samples are usually passed on to the next reviewer...

 

[sethmatrix7]

Hi,
They usually send review samples but I agree not many disclose that.
Review samples are usually passed on to the next reviewer...

Possibly. The problem with passing them on to the next reviewer is that you generally want all your PR to pop at once. So on launch day the manufacturer wants as many articles and news as possible at once to create a large sudden impact. May not send it on to the next reviewer if the launch date is already passed, plus shipping the units back and forth puts them at risk of damage and no manufacturer wants anybody to receive a damaged product.

I just wanted to chime in that it's really not as simple as "this reviewer kept the product therefore this is a paid review"

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Most of the reviewed items are not cheap lol
If they were reviewers would have no issue buying and reviewing parts but only clicks are given which is lucrative but everyone loves free stuff to hehe

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Hi,
Most of the reviewed items are not cheap lol
If they were reviewers would have no issue buying and reviewing parts but only clicks are given which is lucrative but everyone loves free stuff to hehe

Mostly it is about clicks and not money. Apart from Linus the kidult though maybe.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Hi,
Most of the reviewed items are not cheap lol
If they were reviewers would have no issue buying and reviewing parts but only clicks are given which is lucrative but everyone loves free stuff to hehe

Not cheap for you. The manufacturer is making money even if they gave 1000 cards away free. 5000 cards away free. A certain percentage of failed cards and free replacements....

You pay most likely 4 times the amount of the cost to design and build the card. As an example.

A reviewer has an agreement. First the NDA. The manufacturer can request these items back for inspection after use. Or w/e they may do with it.

It's not about getting free stuff either. Those reviews are generated to gather input for the public to assist marketing. The public in turn gives trust. Accurate measurements and a non-bias opinion is what we seek.

That said, I feel your statement is partially true if and when signed documents and agreements are broken. Or a mistrust from bias or under the table paid sponsor ship "make our product look great" is a thing and people have been caught.

Sorry for off topic.

Since I haven't given input to the actual topic....

I'd go with 14th Gen because you can actually overclock it past an X3D in many games having better performance.

 

[Why_Me]

An i9 would never be in my future, I am aiming somewhere down the middle

That would be the 13 gen i7 lineup. Excellent all around cpu.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

That would be the 13 gen i7 lineup. Excellent all around cpu.

My 12th gen setup has been the most stable PC i have ever had, which is not bad considering when it came out it was kind of gen 1 LGA1700. I will be sticking a 14700k in it in Jan and then waiting for AM5/LGA1851

 

[Why_Me]

My 12th gen setup has been the most stable PC i have ever had, which is not bad considering when it came out it was kind of gen 1 LGA1700. I will be sticking a 14700k in it in Jan and then waiting for AM5/LGA1851

I read W1z's reviews on the 14 gen cpu's and all I got out of it was Intel added more E-cores.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

My 12th gen setup has been the most stable PC i have ever had, which is not bad considering when it came out it was kind of gen 1 LGA1700. I will be sticking a 14700k in it in Jan and then waiting for AM5/LGA1851

I've done Dry Ice on my cheap MSI Z690 a few times with a few different processors. At present, still using the 13700K that was ran at 6.7Ghz.

Stable and pretty robust I might say. My 12400F did 5.5ghz, 12600K with core reduction 5.7ghz Dry Iced. Sold the 12600K and still have the 12400F.

I'm sure AMD is just as robust. Have seen quite a few under LN2, but I cannot say if they continued to be used like I do with mine. I know some guys are on Cascade, so cold all the time.

 

[Hardware1906]

I saw this video

and I got a strong vibe of it not being very objective. I got even a feeling that Steve will not be proud of this video after some time passes.

If you have a product A 5% stronger in task GAM than product B, and product B 110% stronger than A in task PROD, it seems more than silly making a video bashing product B because it is 4.8% weaker than product A in GAM.

And even if you mention in that video, that B is much stronger than A in PROD, it changes little about the general meaning of the video.

I wonder what would happen if he compared 7700X with 14600K (direct price competitors) and was not shy to show all aspects of CPU performance in the same manner (graphs, etc).

(And BTW 14900K can be tuned nicely to increase power efficiency for people who value it.)

you saw that video and still made this thread?
that video was focused on gaming side of the cpu, and clearly the 7800x3d destroyed the 14900k
just watch other channel reviewing the 7800x3d without "gaming" in their video title if you care about productivity

 

[Vayra86]

All upscaling is bad, regardless of who or how it's being made. It's just stifling real performance gains now at this point.

I don't even use AA & AF while gaming.

You don't use AF. And upscaling is bad. Mate do you even logic, AF is a straight quality upgrade, and always has been, unless you like your textures looking like a total mess at a distance. Its like, completely unrelated to upscaling. Similarly, AA can be a straight quality upgrade depending on its implementation.

But sure, you're at liberty to play your games with AF off, no AA and 320x240. By all means, knock yourself out. But then you didn't need the performance gains regardless, you can run your stuff on an IGP

Its just not as black and white is it, right? Upscale does enable higher fidelity, it all depends what is catered to: the race to the bottom, or the cutting edge. And yes you can go both ways with it, and yes, I agree the economical reality & commerce nudge it to racing to the bottom... Until it gets disproven by a dev/studio that does know what it's doing and puts everyone to shame. That's how commerce and markets work. Stuff needs to degrade before getting better. Compare it to fashion. We're back to wearing the outfits from the 80's, but with a new milennium vibe. Game graphics were already done a few times over, low hanging fruit is long gone. But companies still need to sell GPUs.

Nobody ever said you've got to chase the latest greatest, and with gaming, it really wasn't ever a great idea.

The best thing about the 7800X3D is it offers some of the best gaming performance at a price most can afford the only downside is the gpus people need to make it stretch it's legs start around 1000 usd....

Nonsense, the X3D also elevates minimums that are clearly not GPU bound, in various games. Typically those are also the types of games that don't really need a heavy GPU. Think building sims; 4X; etc. You don't really care if it runs at 45 or 100 FPS, but you don't want them running below 30; or at the very least, you want to postpone the moment they drop below 30 as long as possible, so to speak.

The battle for averages is long over, every CPU can manage decent enough averages, but there are still games and types of games that love that cache to elevate minimums and dips. Honestly I don't even look at CPU averages anymore. They're all so close together, its completely irrelevant. Fact is I'm using a 6c12t from 2017 and it still runs everything fine on a high end 2023 GPU.

And then there's the future outlook. For its money, the X3D can carry this GPU upgrade, and the next, and likely even the one after that. Plus, it'll give you all that perf at a wattage that is insanely low, out of the box. I don't see downsides here honestly, not being able to utilize a part for 100% because you are GPU bound isn't a CPU downside lol, its an advantage. You have headroom so you're always GPU bound. That's awesome.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

I don't think I have to say much here .

 

[AusWolf]

I read W1z's reviews on the 14 gen cpu's and all I got out of it was Intel added more E-cores.

Not even that. They just cut out less from the i7. The i9, and thus, the fully enabled chip is identical to 13th gen.

 

[thesmokingman]

I don't think I have to say much here .

Lmao, you just extended this thread another 10 pages.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Lmao, you just extended this thread another 10 pages.

That's fine as long as the thread here can be discussed like adults .

 

[Psychoholic]

That's fine as long as the thread here can be discussed like adults .

That's a big ask.. lol

I think everyone knows AMD is more efficient than intel, that comes with the smaller node.
It's the out of the box settings that makes it bad though (Motherboards are somewhat to blame for this too).

Its really easy to cap power to something that makes more sense, my 14900k runs mid 50s in games and that's on air (noctua U12a); also mid 70s under full cinebench load.

That said, you shouldnt HAVE to cap power, it should be less than 253 out of the box.
To be fair, my 7950x was also power capped and undervolted with curve optimizer.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

That's a big ask.. lol

I think everyone knows AMD is more efficient than intel, that comes with the smaller node.
It's the out of the box settings that makes it bad though (Motherboards are somewhat to blame for this too).

Its really easy to cap power to something that makes more sense, my 14900k runs mid 50s in games and that's on air (noctua U12a); also mid 70s under full cinebench load.

That said, you shouldnt HAVE to cap power, it should be less than 253 out of the box.
To be fair, my 7950x was also power capped and undervolted with curve optimizer.

I see what you are trying to say, but the thing is still that you don't have to tweak or cap / change anything with the AMD CPU's to be this effective. And to be honest, no one should feel the need to adjust power usage on a CPU before they can feel that they get effective enough.

If they have to cap the power just to stay competitive to AMD, then they are doing something wrong. Or to say it more correctly, they are buying the wrong CPU then.

 

[Psychoholic]

I see what you are trying to say, but the thing is still that you don't have to tweak or cap / change anything with the AMD CPU's to be this effective. And to be honest, no one should feel the need to adjust power usage on a CPU before they can feel that they get effective enough.

Actually the 7800X3D i had for a while was the only one i didnt feel the need to tweak.
I didnt like my 7950X running at 95C, even high 80s in games, even though AMD says its fine.

If i didnt rip *ahem* backup bluerays i would have probably stuck with the 7800x3d but man, all those cores and intel quicksync comes in handy with the blueray rips \