Need RTX 40 series (Ada Lovelace) to work in Windows 10 1507 LTSB

[dabvflov_243]

Hello all,
I have a Nvidia RTX 40 series that I need to get working under 1507 LTSB. The reason I need that to work under 1507 LTSB is that I run old software that does not support a newer Windows 10 build and I have an old CNC program that I always use every time as well as my employees. The CNC program does not work with a new Windows 10 build as well. I have tried INF modding but it gives out a code 43 on device manager. Our workplace has recently upgraded its GPUS so we are lacking support for 1507. I know 1507 LTSB mainstream support has ended but it's a critical need for my workplace to get it working under 1507 LTSB.

I know this could be possible
How to install Nvidia driver for rtx3080 on Windows 1709?
NVIDIA GeForce RTX error code 43 on Windows 10 version 1607 (person has the solution but doesn't want to share it online)
I'm also fine if any hex editing is needed

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Klemc]

Why ?

 

[dabvflov_243]

Why ?

Because my workplace has critical programs that do not work with newer Windows.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hello all,
I have a Nvidia RTX 40 series that I need to get working under 1507 LTSB. The reason I need that to work under 1507 LTSB is that I run old software that does not support a newer Windows 10 build and I have an old CNC program that I always use every time as well as my employees. The CNC program does not work with a new Windows 10 build as well. I have tried INF modding but it gives out a code 43 on device manager. Our workplace has recently upgraded its GPUS so we are lacking support for 1507. I know 1507 LTSB mainstream support has ended but it's a critical need for my workplace to get it working under 1507 LTSB.

I know this could be possible
How to install Nvidia driver for rtx3080 on Windows 1709?
NVIDIA GeForce RTX error code 43 on Windows 10 version 1607 (person has the solution but doesn't want to share it online)
I'm also fine if any hex editing is needed

Any help would be appreciated.

Because my workplace has critical programs that do not work with newer Windows.

This might not be the solution you would like, but you need to build a second system to use your newer RTX card in and keep your work system as is. There is no practical way to force the current drivers to work with LTSB 1507.

 

[Klemc]

Contact NVidia, they sell the GPU, so, they have to give you a driver.

 

[KedsDead]

I guess the real question is, why a 40 series card? What programs are that dirt old and need a 40 series card?

 

[Assimilator]

Hello all,
I have a Nvidia RTX 40 series that I need to get working under 1507 LTSB. The reason I need that to work under 1507 LTSB is that I run old software that does not support a newer Windows 10 build and I have an old CNC program that I always use every time as well as my employees. The CNC program does not work with a new Windows 10 build as well. I have tried INF modding but it gives out a code 43 on device manager. Our workplace has recently upgraded its GPUS so we are lacking support for 1507. I know 1507 LTSB mainstream support has ended but it's a critical need for my workplace to get it working under 1507 LTSB.

I know this could be possible
How to install Nvidia driver for rtx3080 on Windows 1709?
NVIDIA GeForce RTX error code 43 on Windows 10 version 1607 (person has the solution but doesn't want to share it online)
I'm also fine if any hex editing is needed

Any help would be appreciated.

The right way to do this is run a proper, patched, Windows 10 install; then inside it run a virtual machine with Windows 10 1507 that hosts your shitty CNC software.

Why can't you just contact the CNC manufacturer to get updated software?

Contact NVidia, they sell the GPU, so, they have to give you a driver.

No, NVIDIA is not required to support out-of-support Windows versions.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Contact NVidia, they sell the GPU, so, they have to give you a driver.

They won't. NVidia is not supporting the RTX 4000 series on older LTSB versions.

No, NVIDIA has no requirement to support outdated Windows versions.

In previous decades, they would have been obligated to continue supporting any OS that is still in common use. Sadly the world has become less reasonable.

 

[dabvflov_243]

run a virtual machine with Windows 10 1507 that hosts your shitty CNC software

VMs won't work because the CNC machine is communicated through a driver.

Why can't you just contact the CNC manufacturer to get updated software?

The CNC machine is out of support that's why it's not updated.

Contact NVidia, they sell the GPU, so, they have to give you a driver.

Nvidia supports Windows 10 version 1803 or higher.

 

[lexluthermiester]

VMs won't work because the CNC machine is communicated through a driver.

The CNC machine is out of support that's why it's not updated.

This begs a question, why are you using an RTX 4000 series card on a CNC machine? An RTX 2000 would work just fine.

 

[Assimilator]

VMs won't work because the CNC machine is communicated through a driver.

The CNC machine is out of support that's why it's not updated.


Nvidia supports Windows 10 version 1803 or higher.

Well then the problem is that you chose to buy a GPU without checking if it is compatible with your specific setup. Such is the risk you take when using software that is out of date.

 

[Klemc]

IDK what's a CNC program (i can google it), but all softwares are updatable or interchangeable, just switch to another equivalent, it's simpler.

 

[dabvflov_243]

why are you using an RTX 4000 series card on a CNC machine?

Because it is common on the market and is faster than previous-generation cards.

 

[KedsDead]

I have no clue as to why you want a 40 series card for your CNC machine computer, other than memory space. If thats the case, you should have picked up a Titan X with 12GB memory. Driver support would be much simplier.

Because it is common on the market and is faster than previous-generation cards.

Faster a wide term. If you are running it on a crippled system, its not going to be any faster.

Also, if your using the grafix card to compile your work, is the 3d software department. I recommend building a separate machine, doing the work on it, then transferring the finish product to the machine running the CNC machine. Because the CNC machine is not going to be any faster.

 

[Solaris17]

Because it is common on the market and is faster than previous-generation cards.

This sounds like a management issue not a you problem. I am not sure if you are part of IT or if it was mandated by management but two things are happening.

Management needs to learn this lesson
IT needs to provide better explinations and research next time because they didnt do there job.

CnC machines cost millions, same with mri machines and other manufacturing, aerospace and hospital equipment.

Most of the time if the manufacturer is unwilling or defunct to support the CnC machine provided (looking at you steel mills) then your IT department should be setting up an interface machine that connects to the CnC and is connected to a SAN/NAS.

At that point all dev work is done on newer workstations and the render files uploaded to the NAS where the CnC operator can grab them and begin.

In an alternative universe you would use a hypervisor to mitigate your control PC being ancient and just pass the machine through raw. That is an issue for IT and whoever your infra admin/architect is.

If YOU are the IT/Architect and you are here worried about drivers, then you need to contact an MSP that specializes in your industry if possible and get help ASAP.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Because it is common on the market and is faster than previous-generation cards.

Sadly, that will do you no good if no driver support exists. You need a supported card. The RTX 2000 series cards were the last to support LTSB 1507.

 

[dabvflov_243]

Sadly, that will do you no good if no driver support exists. You need a supported card. The RTX 2000 series cards were the last to support LTSB 1507.

Thank you for your advice however, the RTX 2000 series is discontinued and my workplace does not agree to buy a used GPU.

 

[KedsDead]

Thank you for your advice however, the RTX 2000 series is discontinued and my workplace does not agree to buy a used GPU.

Well they need to update everything then or stop being snobbish about buying used hardware if they cant afford to keep CNC software current.

But as mentioned before, have a machine to work the software, as in creating the images the CNC is going to run, can be done on a separate machine then the file can be transfered to the CNC machine to run the final product. But I know you said the software can not be updated. You need to look at the final product format. Can it be loaded by a different imaging software, can you create the work to be done on that software then transfer that to the CNC machines software?

Other than that. You get to stick with what you got.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Thank you for your advice however, the RTX 2000 series is discontinued and my workplace does not agree to buy a used GPU.

They need to be instructed in their choices.

A. Upgrade the OS to a more current version of LTSB or LTSC.
If that's not possible;
B. Find a new old stock RTX 2000 series card. Ebay and Amazon are your best bet.

C. Put the older card back in and continue with that card on supported driver.

On the line of option B, here are a few results on Ebay.

Pardon Our Interruption...

MSI RTX 2060

Pardon Our Interruption...

MSI RTX 2070

There are options, but you have to bite the bullet and make the hard choice.

 

[Onasi]

Thank you for your advice however, the RTX 2000 series is discontinued and my workplace does not agree to buy a used GPU.

First of all, you can still find new Turing cards for sale if you really look. If that’s straight up not possible in your area and you can’t order from somewhere that it IS - you are SOL. You should either explain to the management why they are being unreasonable or overhaul your whole setup, as being described above. Being unwilling to go for older hardware, but being okay with running an outdated OS and then being surprised when new hardware doesn’t work is moronic. I deal with machines that require older OS for software support all the time at my workplace (scientific equipment). You run them on old boxes not to connected the web or via VM. You don’t try to force a square peg into a round hole.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This is not possible. There is a way to extend Windows 8.x and possibly (completely untested as of now, you'd be the first to do it) very early 10 support to the RTX 30 series as drivers are available to some capacity, this would limit you to the RTX 3090 Ti as the newest card you could have working under this OS. The 3090 Ti is still an exceptionally capable graphics card so, I think you'll do okay - although you'll still be stuck to the now ancient r470 driver branch. Check this thread out if you feel like trying:

Nvidia's rtx drivers support windows 7, but blacklist 8.1 install.

That would be similar to the scenario discussed here: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/how-to-install-nvidia-driver-for-rtx3080-on-windows-1709.293311/page-2#post-4790827 Yeah, from what I understand, it seems really similar. Quite a lot of work, though... for something that isn't...

www.techpowerup.com

Just, again, be reminded that no drivers for Ada Lovelace were ever written for earlier versions of Windows, so you cannot use this method with any RTX 40 series GPU.

 

[dabvflov_243]

If that's not possible;
B. Find a new old stock RTX 2000 series card. Ebay and Amazon are your best bet.

C. Put the older card back in and continue with that card on supported driver.

On the line of option B, here are a few results on Ebay.

Pardon Our Interruption...

MSI RTX 2060

Pardon Our Interruption...

MSI RTX 2070

First of all, you can still find new Turing cards for sale if you really look. If that’s straight up not possible in your area and you can’t order from somewhere that it IS - you are SOL. You should either explain to the management why they are being unreasonable or overhaul your whole setup, as being described above. Being unwilling to go for older hardware, but being okay with running an outdated OS and then being surprised when new hardware doesn’t work is moronic. I deal with machines that require older OS for software support all the time at my workplace (scientific equipment). You run them on old boxes not connected the web or via VM. You don’t try to force a square peg into a round hole.

In the release Nvidia driver release notes, It says
"Drivers for Turing GPUs will not be installed on systems with Windows 10 RS2 or earlier. This includes Windows 10 Threshold 1, Threshold 2, Redstone 1, and Redstone 2 operating systems."
You can take a look here

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/466.77/466.77-win10-win8-win7-release-notes.pdf

 

[bug]

Because it is common on the market and is faster than previous-generation cards.

Thank you for your advice however, the RTX 2000 series is discontinued and my workplace does not agree to buy a used GPU.

No offense, but they sound like a bunch of morons. Their CNC is EOL, it only works with a decade-old OS. It's time to replace that POS. Failing that, it's not your responsibility to bring hardware back from the dead.

 

[Dr. Dro]

In the release Nvidia driver release notes, It says
"Drivers for Turing GPUs will not be installed on systems with Windows 10 RS2 or earlier. This includes Windows 10 Threshold 1, Threshold 2, Redstone 1, and Redstone 2 operating systems."
You can take a look here

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/466.77/466.77-win10-win8-win7-release-notes.pdf

Here's the situation with NVIDIA r470 drivers and earlier versions of Windows:

- RTX 20 series and earlier cards will install on Windows 7 and 8.x, as well as earlier versions of Windows 10
- RTX 30 series installs on Windows 7, but not on Windows 8.x or any version of Windows before 1809, even though the driver claims to support that target OS (fix provided in thread I've linked above)
- RTX 40 series are not supported by this driver branch and hard requires Windows 10 version 1809 or newer as a baseline OS as the earliest driver that supports these cards is the r535 branch

If your workplace doesn't admit buying an used card, you can still find new RTX 3090 Ti cards from some vendors. This is the best option for you right now, although far from the most cost effective.

 

[lexluthermiester]

In the release Nvidia driver release notes, It says
"Drivers for Turing GPUs will not be installed on systems with Windows 10 RS2 or earlier. This includes Windows 10 Threshold 1, Threshold 2, Redstone 1, and Redstone 2 operating systems."
You can take a look here

https://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/466.77/466.77-win10-win8-win7-release-notes.pdf

That does not apply to Enterprise LTSB as that version of the OS is on a completely different support channel.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...-support/f34d466b-b60c-4966-8bc0-2593a6a4311a

That said, I have installed RTX2000 series cards on LTSB 1507. Driver version 442.50 is known to support 1507 with the RTX 2000 series cards. A newer version of the driver might also, but this version is the one I have used.

Driver Details | NVIDIA

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www.nvidia.com

No offense, but they sound like a bunch of morons.

Welcome to being a business the real world.

Their CNC is EOL, it only works with a decade-old OS.

There is nothing wrong with the machine, only it's OS support.

It's time to replace that POS.

No offense there, but you have no idea how expensive CNC machines are, nor how costly they are to remove, replace and install. Just because it's older DOES NOT mean it's useless.