NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Super Founders Edition

[Macro Device]

GTX 1070 was 314 mm² GP104 die and 4070 is 294 mm² AD104 die.

4070 is more expensive even with inflation in consideration. Die size and name are irrelevant. These are not the same class GPUs.

In fact 1070's bit bus was wider than that of 4070 (256 vs 192 bit).

And 960's bus was doubled by 760's bus. So what? Did it help 760? No.

Overall, 4070 might be overpriced (at 600 USD, it was a rip off) but its successor, 4070 Super, is of good value. Don't see anything wrong with this GPU from the $ per FPS*feature standpoint.

 

[R0H1T]

You're missing a major point ~ the xx90 or xx80 cards in the current lineup would not exist at those price points if 4060/70 were priced fairly & not made to look (Nvidia) like the robbers they are! So unless the bottom/middle of the stack is fixed you can't really have a top end that isn't selling for the price of second hand liver

Nvidia isn't leaving $100~200 holes in their entire lineup!

 

[Xuper]

4080 Super : 10240 Cores , 2550Mhz , 1438Mhz
4080 : 9728 Cores , 2505Mhz, 1400Mhz
for 5% more cores , you get 1 or 2% more fps with 4K settings .something bottleneck in GPU or maybe it is what it is.

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard

I assume the review for the card will come later, but the link for ASUS RTX 4080 Super STRIX OC review shows the broken image link leading to a 400 (bad request) instead of a text in all "Value and Conclusion" page:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Super Founders Edition Review - Helping you Save $200
ASUS GeForce RTX 4080 Super TUF OC Review
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080 Super Gaming OC Review
PNY GeForce RTX 4080 Super Verto OC Review
ASUS GeForce RTX 4080 Super STRIX OC Review
Galax GeForce RTX 4080 Super SG Review
Zotac GeForce RTX 4080 Super AMP Extreme Airo Review
Palit GeForce RTX 4080 Super GamingPro OC Review
MSI GeForce RTX 4080 Super Expert Review

Regardless, thank you very much for taking time and effort to review the 4070/4070 Ti/4080 Super series cards.

Edit: I did not realize there is a review for the card. The link for the card review in the "Value and Conclusion" page of ASUS GeForce RTS 4080 Super STRIX OC is wrong too.

Fixed

 

[Nordic]

Stable 60 FPS at 1080p (no upscaling or frame generation whatsoever) with "vanilla" ray traced reflections being enabled, the reference game is Cyberpunk 2077. This is what I call RT ready. Anything starting with RTX 4070/3080, or RX 7900 GRE is more than capable of that so yes, RTX 3090 is valid by me.

I would argue AMD is only one generation behind on ray tracing. The AMD 7000 series is competitive enough with NV 4000 series with raster performance. The 7900 xtx is competitive with the 3090 RT performance according to W1zzards reviews on average.

I don't think CP2077 is a good example because it is so Nvidia sided. You probably chose CP2077 because it is challenging to run at a stable 60 FPS at 1080p (no upscaling or frame generation whatsoever) with "vanilla" ray traced reflections being enabled.

My point being AMD is not far behind.

 

[maximoor]

It's ridiculous... just like the 4070 ti Super. Why on earth doesn't Nvidia simply reduce the price of the original versions? So far, only the 4070 Super has shown any noteworthy gains. Good times when the super suffix really made a difference, like on the RTX2060 / 2070.

 

[rv8000]

Memory compression, prefetching, AI, growing databases etc, is that all a joke for you? I am not sure it's possible but nor am I sold on it being outright nonsensical. Ask anyone stuck in 2010 about AI being capable of almost realistic deepfakes, they will tell you, "This is a narcotics rehabilitation centre number. Call them immediately please."

Thank you for admitting you have no argument and have thus moved the goal post like 13 fields away.

 

[R0H1T]

Ask anyone stuck in 2010 about AI being capable of almost realistic deepfakes, they will tell you, "This is a narcotics rehabilitation centre number. Call them immediately please."

Tell me you didn't watch Apollo 11 "special broadcast"

 

[Macro Device]

Thank you for admitting you have no argument and have thus moved the goal post like 13 fields away.

I don't need any argument because it's you claiming things, not me.

I don't think CP2077 is a good example because it is so Nvidia sided.

Any game with heavy ray tracing is and will be heavily favouring [current] NVIDIA GPUs only because AMD GPUs suck at RT. Simple as that.

My point being AMD is not far behind.

It's really not... just far behind. It's lightyears far behind. Raster: AMD GPUs are ahead. Light RT: draw. Medium RT: AMD GPUs are 1 generation behind. Heavy RT: AMD GPUs are almost 3 generations behind. Path tracing: AMD GPUs are super dead.

Tell me you didn't watch Apollo 11 "special broadcast"

I didn't. Is it worth watching?

 

[gffermari]

4080 was a niche product and 4080S remains the same. And it's not for everyone.
Regarding the value....no top spec gpu meant to be VFM. You may forget the Titans, the 3080Tis, the 2080Ti, 2080, etc.etc.
You can complain about the x60, x70. But the x80, x90, Titans etc. never meant to be VFM. (The 1080Ti is the only outlier I think)

The problem with the 4080S is the 4070TiS.
I don't see a reason to spend more for the 4080S when you get the same die, memory size and bandwidth with the 4070TiS.

A year ago, yes. Some of us spent more for the 16GB vram and a little bit of extra performance. But now? I don't see a point.

 

[apoklyps3]

this card should be 700$, at best

 

[R0H1T]

I didn't. Is it worth watching?

Depends, do you like docudrama in Black & white?

 

[AnotherReader]

4070 is more expensive even with inflation in consideration. Die size and name are irrelevant. These are not the same class GPUs.

And 960's bus was doubled by 760's bus. So what? Did it help 760? No.

Overall, 4070 might be overpriced (at 600 USD, it was a rip off) but its successor, 4070 Super, is of good value. Don't see anything wrong with this GPU from the $ per FPS*feature standpoint.

Die size is the only thing that matters when it comes to deciding the class of a GPU within a family. You would have a point if you talked about average fps, but even then, that just indicates that for most rasterized games, we have a surfeit of rendering performance. Once you bring raytracing into the picture, the 4070 has lower performance in demanding games than the 1070 did in demanding games of its era.

 

[Macro Device]

Depends, do you like docudrama in Black & white?

If it's better narrated than RTX 4080 Super then I'm down.

 

[HD64G]

Just a marketing release with its only purpose being to show a very mildly tuned existing product as new and with lower price, when they could just reduce pricing for the existing 4080. Strongly reminds me of Zen2 XT cpu refresh.

4080 Super : 10240 Cores , 2550Mhz , 1438Mhz
4080 : 9728 Cores , 2505Mhz, 1400Mhz
for 5% more cores , you get 1 or 2% more fps with 4K settings .something bottleneck in GPU or maybe it is what it is.

Since when the analogy of cores or clock speed is linear to the performance in games?

 

[GhostRyder]

I sometimes wonder if the only way some people will ever talk good about AMD graphics is if the card was 20% better at a much lower price with the exact same feature set. If we want better competition, we have to be willing to buy the other side when they are competing. (7900 XTX is better on average overall than even 4080 super at same price or less for instance).

I think they did this because Nvidia just does not believe in lowering prices even knowing the 7900 XTX was a better value. They did it to save some face and probably (No concrete proof just my guess) are going to release the RTX 4080 ti at the 1200/1300 price range.

 

[wheresmycar]

It's ridiculous... just like the 4070 ti Super. Why on earth doesn't Nvidia simply reduce the price of the original versions? So far, only the 4070 Super has shown any noteworthy gains. Good times when the super suffix really made a difference, like on the RTX2060 / 2070.

It's probably too boring to just slash prices on existing hardware. Throw in some tiny refresh spec mark-ups, revisit the "high value perception" but getting closer with a $200 slash, raise excitement and get everyone talking about it (the BIG BUZZ phase) and then drop the SUPER PANTS. Disappointing perf uplift for a SUPER-charger but i guess the $200 trim deserves some loud fashionable emphasis (not that i commend $1k cards)

 

[xorbe]

(Never mind!)

 

[BoggledBeagle]

I just watched Ovens comparison of 4080S with 7900 XTX and I noticed something interesting about power draw of these cards, can you guess what it was?

 

[terroralpha]

i know i'm supposed to root for the "under dog" AMD and tell people not to spend so much on nvidia stuff, but i totally understand why people are flocking to buy these. 4080 super models priced between $1000 and $1100 sold out instantly, and even the $1200 models sold out soon after. all this while a 7900XTX can be bought new for $900 in the US. i tried going team red this gen. went through all sorts of dumb issues with two different 7900XTX. ended up getting rid of it and getting a 4090. haven't had a single crash/glitch since i installed it

 

[Makaveli]

Every time you fall in need of upscaling the NV card wins. DLSS isn't the greatest influence on the image quality but it's still better than FSR.

Most people I know that have a 7900XTX don't use up scaling at all. Why when I have enough power to run it native!

 

[evernessince]

i know i'm supposed to root for the "under dog" AMD and tell people not to spend so much on nvidia stuff, but i totally understand why people are flocking to buy these. 4080 super models priced between $1000 and $1100 sold out instantly, and even the $1200 models sold out soon after. all this while a 7900XTX can be bought new for $900 in the US. i tried going team red this gen. went through all sorts of dumb issues with two different 7900XTX. ended up getting rid of it and getting a 4090. haven't had a single crash/glitch since i installed it

It would be supposition to assume that sold out = high demand or high sales. Unless you have the number of units Nvidia actually shipped or sales numbers it's impossible to say how many units were shifted. Heck being sold out isn't even a guarantee that any units were sold from a singular shop period, you are making another assumption that said store was able to acquire stock at this point in time in the first place. That's very well possible given there have been GPU launches in the recent and further past where certain retailers were assigned 0-5 units.

It's beneficial for companies to ship only what they know will sell out at launch because people tend to make the same logical mistake you did here. Most people immediately think sold out = hot / popular without actually taking two seconds to consider the fact that sold out in only analogous to that store being out of stock and nothing more. It's not an indicator sales or popularity without additional supporting information.

 

[Nordic]

Any game with heavy ray tracing is and will be heavily favouring [current] NVIDIA GPUs only because AMD GPUs suck at RT. Simple as that.

So few games have ray tracing that heavy. I will personally consider ray tracing main stream when the most common GPU in steam stats can do path tracing at stable 60 FPS at 1080p (no upscaling or frame generation whatsoever).

I sometimes wonder if the only way some people will ever talk good about AMD graphics is if the card was 20% better at a much lower price with the exact same feature set. If we want better competition, we have to be willing to buy the other side when they are competing. (7900 XTX is better on average overall than even 4080 super at same price or less for instance).

I think they did this because Nvidia just does not believe in lowering prices even knowing the 7900 XTX was a better value. They did it to save some face and probably (No concrete proof just my guess) are going to release the RTX 4080 ti at the 1200/1300 price range.

I started playing Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition recently. It is the first ray tracing game I have tried. The lighting certainly looks really nice but it is not necessary for a good experience. I personally care about raster performance per dollar more than anything else when so few games have ray tracing. I have a 6750xt right now. I expect to upgrade to whatever chip is a good price to performance around 7900 xtx performance next gen. I don't want to pay the nvidia tax for features I do not use.

 

[Makaveli]

So few games have ray tracing that heavy. I will personally consider ray tracing main stream when the most common GPU in steam stats can do path tracing at stable 60 FPS at 1080p (no upscaling or frame generation whatsoever).

This right here.

When can run RT on a midrange gpu and still getting playable fps that is when it will be time to be all in. So when the majority of the market can afford gpu's to use it we are then cooking at this point.

We are not there yet and I personally wouldn't spend 2K to use it on 5-6 games currently.

 

[Nordic]

@W1zzard I went back to your RTX 4080 Strix review to compare to this RTX 4080 Super Strix review. I was hoping to compare OC performance between the two since they have especially high max power limits. I can see that the regular 4080 seems to overclock higher. I cannot compare the OC performance FPS between the two reviews because the 4080 used Unigine Heaven and the super uses 3DMark Time Spy GT1.

With your hands on experience with both cards, is it safe to say that the 4080 super is not being held back my max power limit? The difference in overclock is at most ~120mhz in favor of the 4080 non-super which shouldn't do much.

We are not there yet and I personally wouldn't spend 2K to use it on 5-6 games currently.

It is not just 5-6 games. Stable diffusion and similar compute software is growing popular in the enthusiast space. I see too many enthusiasts, particularly on reddit, who claim everyone is going must be capable of using compute software as if their jobs depend on it. They also claim anything less than a 4090 is not worth buying because you won't get reasonable FPS at 4k with heavy ray tracing.

The truth is the vast majority of PC gamers don't utilize most of Nvidia's fancy features.