Is it worth it? Upgrading from 10850K to 7800x3D

[SantanaMask]

Hi all,

My current set up has a i9-10850k with 48GB DDR4 and a RTX 3080.
Will it be worth to upgrade my system to a 7800x3D. with 32 maybe later 64GB.
System is mostly used for gaming.

The old system wil replace another pc, but its not necessary.

 

[mb194dc]

What do you play, what resolution, do you use upscaling etc? and what FPS are you aiming for?

 

[SantanaMask]

Lets say mostly of the latest AAA. (Last year, Jedi Survior, Hogwards Legacy, CyberPunk, Fortnite, Escape from Tarkov )
And the occasional League.
Resolution 1440p, 165Hz currently
And im aiming for most of the time 100+ FPS.

Also im doubting to start streaming the games.

 

[Macro Device]

You will gain much more performance uplift from upgrading your GPU then.

I mean, 7800X3D isn't messing around but AAA games destroy your RTX 3080 way before it matters most of the time. With an RTX 4080 or 4090, you'd achieve better frametime stability after upgrading to the 7800X3D but that'll still be subtle. 10850K is no doubt worse in games but NOT THAT WORSE.

 

[P4-630]

Hi all,

My current set up has a i9-10850k with 48GB DDR4 and a RTX 3080.
Will it be worth to upgrade my system to a 7800x3D. with 32 maybe later 64GB.
System is mostly used for gaming.

The old system wil replace another pc, but its not necessary.

Going with an intel build will be cheaper since you could still use your DDR4..

 

[Massdeth]

@SantanaMask Are you overclocking anything in the rig? If so, what are you using to cool the current parts AND in what case? What mobo is it also? You have a very capable system already with the right parts and some very targeted tweaks that should be more than capable to game with at 1080/1440.

 

[SantanaMask]

Going with an intel build will be cheaper since you could still use your DDR4..

The 11th gen is worser. Aint waisting money on that.
Its either the newest of nothing.

You will gain much more performance uplift from upgrading your GPU then.

I mean, 7800X3D isn't messing around but AAA games destroy your RTX 3080 way before it matters most of the time. With an RTX 4080 or 4090, you'd achieve better frametime stability after upgrading to the 7800X3D but that'll still be subtle. 10850K is no doubt worse in games but NOT THAT WORSE.

So your saying better go for the 7900XT and wait untill AM6.

@SantanaMask Are you overclocking anything in the rig? If so, what are you using to cool the current parts AND in what case? What mobo is it also? You have a very capable system already with the right parts and some very targeted tweaks that should be more than capable to game with at 1080/1440.

CASE is NAXT h710, got a arctic 360mm cooler.
Tried overclocking with this cpu but bad lottery...
Mobo is Z470 Aorus Master.

 

[Dragam1337]

Lets say mostly of the latest AAA. (Last year, Jedi Survior, Hogwards Legacy, CyberPunk, Fortnite, Escape from Tarkov )
And the occasional League.
Resolution 1440p, 165Hz currently
And im aiming for most of the time 100+ FPS.

Also im doubting to start streaming the games.

If you are aiming for 100+ fps (thus use maybe dlss performance mode), then i would say yes, you would see a performance uplift with the 7800x3d. It will run stuff like jedi survivor at 100+ fps alot easier than your 10th gen intel cpu.

The 11th gen is worser. Aint waisting money on that.
Its either the newest of nothing.


So your saying better go for the 7900XT and wait untill AM6.



CASE is NAXT h710, got a arctic 360mm cooler.
Tried overclocking with this cpu but bad lottery...
Mobo is Z470 Aorus Master.

Don't waste money on anything from the current gen in regards to gpus - we are already past halfway in the cycle, so you would be better off waiting for the next gen.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

You will gain much more performance uplift from upgrading your GPU then.

I mean, 7800X3D isn't messing around but AAA games destroy your RTX 3080 way before it matters most of the time. With an RTX 4080 or 4090, you'd achieve better frametime stability after upgrading to the 7800X3D but that'll still be subtle. 10850K is no doubt worse in games but NOT THAT WORSE.

Poorly optimized AAAs.
There are plenty a 3080 can handle just fine with OPs target of ~100fps @ 1440p.

There's also the catch 22 of upgrading the GPU to a point where that 10850K won't keep up.
I think (for now) just hanging tight is fine here.

 

[flamethrower1972]

Lets say mostly of the latest AAA. (Last year, Jedi Survior, Hogwards Legacy, CyberPunk, Fortnite, Escape from Tarkov )
And the occasional League.
Resolution 1440p, 165Hz currently
And im aiming for most of the time 100+ FPS.

Also im doubting to start streaming the games.

Does your motherboard support gen 12? As far as the gpu goes I would get a 3090 ti.

 

[P4-630]

The 11th gen is worser. Aint waisting money on that.
Its either the newest of nothing.

I meant 12/13/14th gen intel with that.. There are some great gaming CPU's in these gens..

You'll need a new motherboard but with some motherboards you could still use your DDR4..

Does your motherboard support gen 12?

No it doesn't..

 

[KedsDead]

If the OP wants to upgrade one part now and another part later and is good with 100fps on single player games. (lets face it, 100fps and 60fps on single player games is the same, with good frame timing) He could upgrade the CPU now, AM5 will give him a solid platform to upgrade the CPU again later. So he could do a 7800X3D now, the GPU next gen, then the CPU again in 4 years to the latest that will work in his board. He wont get any performance improvement form his 3080 from swapping the CPU, but he can get a plan started for an upgrade path.

 

[Vya Domus]

Going with an intel build will be cheaper since you could still use your DDR4..

And this is why Intel such a horrendous choice if you ever want to upgrade. This isn't a plus, might as well upgrade to a current gen platform that will last more than one generation anyway.

 

[flamethrower1972]

And this is why Intel such a horrendous choice if you ever want to upgrade. This isn't a plus, might as well upgrade to a current gen platform that will last more than one generation anyway.

Another Massive Disaster.

 

[Dragam1337]

If the OP wants to upgrade one part now and another part later and is good with 100fps on single player games. (lets face it, 100fps and 60fps on single player games is the same, with good frame timing) He could upgrade the CPU now, AM5 will give him a solid platform to upgrade the CPU again later. So he could do a 7800X3D now, the GPU next gen, then the CPU again in 4 years to the latest that will work in his board. He wont get any performance improvement form his 3080 from swapping the CPU, but he can get a plan started for an upgrade path.

I agree, that would be the path that makes the most sense.

 

[Macro Device]

Poorly optimized AAAs.

Not only them. It's hard to get 100+ FPS in games like Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2, Avatar, Atomic Heart etc. Not to mention Lords of the Fallen and not yet existing games.

OP's only limiting factor is GPU if we talk AAA.

And this is why Intel such a horrendous choice if you ever want to upgrade.

Gaming doesn't benefit from DDR5 significantly enough for this to matter. And it won't matter for a couple years at least. Correctly tuned DDR4 is not only cheaper than average DDR5, it's also occasionally more efficient in gaming due to lower latency.

That's why upgrading to LGA1700 makes more sense than AM5 if you have great DDR4 RAM sticks. You can tell the gaming difference between LGA1700 and 7800X3D without FPS counter turned on only if you rock a 4090 and play at 720p lowest settings on a 500 Hz monitor and you're very sensitive to framerate fluctuations.

Regardless, OP doesn't need a CPU upgrade. It can wait a couple years easy peasy.

 

[KedsDead]

Well we are at the end of a cycle. AM4 ending, DDR4 ending, Intel, I'm surprised that 12gen ++ series stayed on the same chipset.

 

[tussinman]

I'd wait another generation. 10850k gaming wise should be about on par with a 5600/12400 which all 3 are good matches for a 3080

 

[Dragam1337]

I'd wait another generation. 10850k gaming wise should be about on par with a 5600/12400 which all 3 are good matches for a 3080

It entirely depends on his settings. If he is using 1440p and dlss performance in something like jedi survivor, then he will deffo be limited by his cpu, which won't be doing 100+ fps with RT.

 

[tussinman]

It entirely depends on his settings. If he is using 1440p and dlss performance in something like jedi survivor, then he will deffo be limited by his cpu, which won't be doing 100+ fps with RT.

Jedi Survivor is almost Arkham: Knight level bad in terms of performance/optimization so I wouldn't count on a logical performance increase. There seems to be no rhyme or reason with that game which is why I never make hardware decisions based on lazy coding and rushed port job.

 

[rv8000]

An AM5 Build would be the better choice if you’re going to do a platform upgrade and keep it for several years.

We’re fast approaching Zen 5 and x770/b750 so if you can hold off, Zen 5 and new motherboard release time would be the ideal point to switch.

DDR5 6000, and a decent kit at that, is pretty cheap now so theres zero reason to lock yourself into a dead end platform.

Speaking from personal experience, my 7900X3D has significantly better minimum FPS than my 14700k, and AMD on average is much better suited for 1080/1440 high refresh.

Overall you wont see significant differences just by swapping out the cpu/platform without a GPU upgrade, and there’s zero reason to pick something up from this GPU cycle when you’ve got a 3080 and 5xxx/8xxx series are just around the corner.

 

[Kapone33]

I had a 5800X3D and got a 7900X3D. In every Game the 7900X3D feeds the GPU 3.5 GB/s more VRAM. A 7800X3D should be the same. You probably will see improved 1% lows across the board and keep the GPU. The 3080 is not a weak card for Gaming at 1440P.

 

[tussinman]

As far as the gpu goes I would get a 3090 ti.

VRAM aside that would be a pretty small upgrade (maybe 25-27% faster) for a lot of money.

 

[flamethrower1972]

I had a 5800X3D and got a 7900X3D. In every Game the 7900X3D feeds the GPU 3.5 GB/s more VRAM. A 7800X3D should be the same. You probably will see improved 1% lows across the board and keep the GPU. The 3080 is not a weak card for Gaming at 1440P.

If he goes Nivida the 4070 ti is IMO the best GPU for 1440p gaming

 

[Dragam1337]

Jedi Survivor is almost Arkham: Knight level bad in terms of performance/optimization so I wouldn't count on a logical performance increase. There seems to be no rhyme or reason with that game which is why I never make hardware decisions based on lazy coding and rushed port job.

No, it is not.

And games just get more demanding, it's a fact - especially new games that are only made for the new consoles are significantly heavier on the cpu, often optimized for 30 fps with what is essentially a ryzen 2700. So obviously you will need ALOT of cpu power if you want to run those games at 100+ fps.