My system has never ran good

[baybay]

My comp has never ran even close to "good" my 7yr old 400$ runs smoother. I honestly couldn't even tell you what's wrong because so much is wrong or where to start, but i do have screenshots, videos, benchmark score, etc. If anyone could take some of their time to help me out i would lovvvve it sooooooo much cause this is driving me crazy cause it's my first high end pc and it runs just like my crappy ones. If i missed some needed info please just let me know! and thank you
-Comp Spec is in the HWINFO Pic
-video of my FPS

-video of CPU maxing at 28% but GPU is at 100% and temps are fine

The 480p and 1080p is showing how theres no diff in blurryness if i switch to either, you cant even read the players name

 

[Toothless]

Would be a lot easier for people to help if you list the system specs of each.

 

[DarkDreams]

First thing you should try is disable the overclock and run it at stock settings. If you see an improvement your oc is unstable. Clock stretching is a thing with Alder Lake and newer.
As for the youtube quality, that may just be caused by the source video being badly compressed or low quality to begin with. Unless that same problem happens with every video I woudn't worry about it.

 

[baybay]

Would be a lot easier for people to help if you list the system specs of each.

The specs are in the HWINFO pic, are those not the specs you need?

First thing you should try is disable the overclock and run it at stock settings. If you see an improvement your oc is unstable. Clock stretching is a thing with Alder Lake and newer.
As for the youtube quality, that may just be caused by the source video being badly compressed or low quality to begin with. Unless that same problem happens with every video I woudn't worry about it.

I was just using that YT vid as a example, words/picture look like that all the time on everything not just videos.
So if i do put it on default my games play like crap, like maxing at 30-40fps and going as low a 1fps. I really just want it to be stable and play games and opening things smooth, It doesnt need to be super OC'ed, but all i can do is either default of have it at this unstable OC. I'm not comfortable manually OC myself

The specs are in the HWINFO pic, are those not the specs you need?


I was just using that YT vid as a example, words/picture look like that all the time on everything not just videos.
So if i do put it on default my games play like crap, like maxing at 30-40fps and going as low a 1fps. I really just want it to be stable and play games and opening things smooth, It doesnt need to be super OC'ed, but all i can do is either default of have it at this unstable OC. I'm not comfortable manually OC myself

these are my BIOS settings

 

[Toothless]

The specs are in the HWINFO pic, are those not the specs you need?

Having to click between pictures of a screen is a put off for a lot of people, just saying.

The only thing I see is 12600k. Board? GPU? Ram? PSU? Old build? I happen to formerly had a 12600KF and remember the settings to compare but man so many details are missing.

 

[sLowEnd]

these are my BIOS settings

Those are some weird settings.

ASUS MultiCore Enhancement [Auto – Lets BIOS Optimize]

Asus Multicore Enhancement can sometimes give unstable results; it's best to avoid using it.

Hyper-Threading [Disabled]

Why do you have hyperthreading off?

AVX2 [Disabled]

Intel (VMX) Virtualization Technology [Disabled]

Why are Virtualization and AVX2 off? Virtualization and AVX2 don't necessarily impact performance directly, but things that utilize them will run faster enabled, and some things won't run at all unless you have them enabled.

Download & Install ARMOURY CRATE app [Enabled]

If you're using Armoury Crate, don't. It's a poor app.

Ai Overclock Tuner [XMP I]
XMP [XMP DDR4-3597 18-22-22-42-1.35V]

If your sticks have a lower speed XMP profile(s), you can try to use a lower speed one. It's possible that your sticks aren't stable with XMP at that speed, since you have 4 sticks.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yeah before anything, full writeup of the system specs is great. DDR4 already means you're going to be behind most other 12th gen systems by default, but it shouldn't feel as bad as a 7 year old comp.

 

[baybay]

Having to click between pictures of a screen is a put off for a lot of people, just saying.

The only thing I see is 12600k. Board? GPU? Ram? PSU? Old build? I happen to formerly had a 12600KF and remember the settings to compare but man so many details are missing.

ohhh i'm sorry!

Motherboard-ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus D4 LGA1700(Intel 12th Gen) ATX motherboard(PCIe 5.0, DDR4,4xM.2/NVMe SSD,14+2 power stages,WiFi 6,2.5Gb LAN,front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C,Thunderbolt 4,ARGB headers)

CPU- Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W
AIO Pump-CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML120L RGB V2, Close-Loop AIO CPU Liquid Cooler, Gen3 Dual Chamber Pump, 120mm Radiator, SickleFlow 120 PWM ARGB, AMD Ryzen AM5/AM4, Intel LGA1700/1200 (MLW-D12M-A18PC-R2)

GPU- MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 15 Gbps GDRR6 192-Bit HDMI/DP PCIe 4 Torx Twin Fan Ampere OC Graphics Card

RAM x4 - Corsair VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz CL18 Intel XMP 2.0 Computer Memory - Black (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18)

SDD- Samsung 870 EVO SATA III SSD 1TB 2.5” Internal Solid State Drive, Upgrade PC or Laptop Memory and Storage for IT Pros, Creators, Everyday Users, MZ-77E1T0B/AM

PSU- Corsair RM850x (2021) Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - 80 PLUS Gold - Low-Noise Fan - Zero RPM - Black

Monitor- ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 1080P Monitor - Full HD, 165Hz (Supports 144Hz), 1ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, FreeSync Premium, Shadow Boost, Eye Care, HDMI, DisplayPort, Tilt Adjustable - VG277Q1A,Black

Those are some weird settings.



Asus Multicore Enhancement can sometimes give unstable results; it's best to avoid using it.



Why do you have hyperthreading off?




Why are Virtualization and AVX2 off? Virtualization and AVX2 don't necessarily impact performance directly, but things that utilize them will run faster enabled, and some things won't run at all unless you have them enabled.



If you're using Armoury Crate, don't. It's a poor app.



If your sticks have a lower speed XMP profile(s), you can try to use a lower speed one. It's possible that your sticks aren't stable with XMP at that speed, since you have 4 sticks.

i play a lot of warcraft 3 and someone told me its a single thread game so it would be better to not use hyperthreading when i play it, but ill switch all those settings you just said, and no armoury crate anymore, i used to thou. It only has XMP 1 and 2 no other profiles, ty for taking the time to help me btw! i really appreciate it

Yeah before anything, full writeup of the system specs is great. DDR4 already means you're going to be behind most other 12th gen systems by default, but it shouldn't feel as bad as a 7 year old comp.

a buddy built the comp for me, i would of picked ddr5 too, idk why he didn't

 

[Dr. Dro]

ohhh i'm sorry!

Motherboard-ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus D4 LGA1700(Intel 12th Gen) ATX motherboard(PCIe 5.0, DDR4,4xM.2/NVMe SSD,14+2 power stages,WiFi 6,2.5Gb LAN,front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C,Thunderbolt 4,ARGB headers)

CPU- Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W
AIO Pump-CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML120L RGB V2, Close-Loop AIO CPU Liquid Cooler, Gen3 Dual Chamber Pump, 120mm Radiator, SickleFlow 120 PWM ARGB, AMD Ryzen AM5/AM4, Intel LGA1700/1200 (MLW-D12M-A18PC-R2)

GPU- MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 15 Gbps GDRR6 192-Bit HDMI/DP PCIe 4 Torx Twin Fan Ampere OC Graphics Card

RAM x4 - Corsair VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz CL18 Intel XMP 2.0 Computer Memory - Black (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18)

SDD- Samsung 870 EVO SATA III SSD 1TB 2.5” Internal Solid State Drive, Upgrade PC or Laptop Memory and Storage for IT Pros, Creators, Everyday Users, MZ-77E1T0B/AM

PSU- Corsair RM850x (2021) Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - 80 PLUS Gold - Low-Noise Fan - Zero RPM - Black

Monitor- ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 1080P Monitor - Full HD, 165Hz (Supports 144Hz), 1ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, FreeSync Premium, Shadow Boost, Eye Care, HDMI, DisplayPort, Tilt Adjustable - VG277Q1A,Black


i play a lot of warcraft 3 and someone told me its a single thread game so it would be better to not use hyperthreading when i play it, but ill switch all those settings you just said, and no armoury crate anymore, i used to thou. I havent really tried to use XMP1 that much, i'll try it out for a couple hours and see if it stablizes things, ty for taking the time to help me btw! i really appreciate it


a buddy built the comp for me, i would of picked ddr5 too, idk why he didn't

Likely cost. DDR4 is cheaper. There's nothing wrong with those specs in general, although I think the CPU cooling is not that good for a CPU such as this one. Still, at stock settings, it'll do. Reload your BIOS' default settings, enable XMP and try again, perhaps?

 

[Toothless]

ohhh i'm sorry!

Motherboard-ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus D4 LGA1700(Intel 12th Gen) ATX motherboard(PCIe 5.0, DDR4,4xM.2/NVMe SSD,14+2 power stages,WiFi 6,2.5Gb LAN,front USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C,Thunderbolt 4,ARGB headers)

CPU- Intel Core i5-12600K Desktop Processor with Integrated Graphics and 10 (6P+4E) Cores up to 4.9 GHz Unlocked LGA1700 600 Series Chipset 125W
AIO Pump-CoolerMaster MasterLiquid ML120L RGB V2, Close-Loop AIO CPU Liquid Cooler, Gen3 Dual Chamber Pump, 120mm Radiator, SickleFlow 120 PWM ARGB, AMD Ryzen AM5/AM4, Intel LGA1700/1200 (MLW-D12M-A18PC-R2)

GPU- MSI Gaming GeForce RTX 3060 12GB 15 Gbps GDRR6 192-Bit HDMI/DP PCIe 4 Torx Twin Fan Ampere OC Graphics Card

RAM x4 - Corsair VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz CL18 Intel XMP 2.0 Computer Memory - Black (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18)

SDD- Samsung 870 EVO SATA III SSD 1TB 2.5” Internal Solid State Drive, Upgrade PC or Laptop Memory and Storage for IT Pros, Creators, Everyday Users, MZ-77E1T0B/AM

PSU- Corsair RM850x (2021) Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - 80 PLUS Gold - Low-Noise Fan - Zero RPM - Black

Monitor- ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 1080P Monitor - Full HD, 165Hz (Supports 144Hz), 1ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, FreeSync Premium, Shadow Boost, Eye Care, HDMI, DisplayPort, Tilt Adjustable - VG277Q1A,Black


i play a lot of warcraft 3 and someone told me its a single thread game so it would be better to not use hyperthreading when i play it, but ill switch all those settings you just said, and no armoury crate anymore, i used to thou. It only has XMP 1 and 2 no other profiles, ty for taking the time to help me btw! i really appreciate it


a buddy built the comp for me, i would of picked ddr5 too, idk why he didn't

Okay so this is perfect because I have the same board.

Reset bios to default, turn on XMP, and start looking at the power limits. Asus overclock stuff isn't the way to go so leave that off. Trial and error on power limits.

 

[baybay]

Likely cost. DDR4 is cheaper. There's nothing wrong with those specs in general, although I think the CPU cooling is not that good for a CPU such as this one. Still, at stock settings, it'll do. Reload your BIOS' default settings, enable XMP and try again, perhaps?

i told him to spend 2,ooo, he spent 1,500 but ya its great for the games i play. but its just having a hard time playing the most simple game and open like folders and stuff, but im going to switch these bios settings and brb 5 mins, idk if its guna retrain the mem but might take a min

Okay so this is perfect because I have the same board.

Reset bios to default, turn on XMP, and start looking at the power limits. Asus overclock stuff isn't the way to go so leave that off. Trial and error on power limits.

what are the power limit settings in bios thou? idk them thats kinda my prob idk what settings are capping things

 

[Dr. Dro]

Even power limited, a 12600K shouldn't feel slow. I think you may have a similar problem to what I had with my Raptor Lake system when I built it. It was inexplicably laggy under Windows 11 no matter what I tried to do, I'm fairly sure that it was a BIOS update that corrected the issue. You should update the BIOS using ASUS' EZ Flash utility. Just download it from the ASUS website for your motherboard, place the file on an USB stick, and do it from the BIOS. Make sure that you don't lose power or turn the PC off while it's flashing, though. This is very important. Ask your friend who built the machine for you to help you update the BIOS if you feel inclined.

 

[baybay]

Even power limited, a 12600K shouldn't feel slow. I think you may have a similar problem to what I had with my Raptor Lake system when I built it. It was inexplicably laggy under Windows 11 no matter what I tried to do, I'm fairly sure that it was a BIOS update that corrected the issue. You should update the BIOS using ASUS' EZ Flash utility. Just download it from the ASUS website for your motherboard, place the file on an USB stick, and do it from the BIOS. Make sure that you don't lose power or turn the PC off while it's flashing, though. This is very important. Ask your friend who built the machine for you to help you update the BIOS if you feel inclined.

I have the newest bios 3302 came out on 2/22/24 atm, but the system has been the same crappy for like 5 different bios updates thruout the year i've had it

 

[wNotyarD]

@Dr. Dro could this be an issue with the LGA1700 retention mechanism?

 

[baybay]

WELL so far so good! Nothing showing on the throttlestop limits now and i got a TS bench score of 8 i usually got 10, im going to start a HWINFO log and play a game for 30 mins and i'll come back with the results

 

[Toothless]

@Dr. Dro could this be an issue with the LGA1700 retention mechanism?

I can tell you that the answer is no.

 

[Chrispy_]

Is this just HWINFO being crap?
I don't use HWINFO, ever.

 

[wNotyarD]

Is this just HWINFO being crap?
I don't use HWINFO, ever.

View attachment 339101

This seems like something extracted directly from DXDIAG.
In the last pic, it is reported correctly:

Why would DXDIAG report the VRAM incorrectly, though?

 

[Chomiq]

First video - CPU util at 17%, GPU at 20% - shitty game engine, move on. Also, stop forcing "Prefer maximum performance" in GPU settings, since you're running max clocks at 7% GPU load in a 2D game.
Second screen - you are GPU bound at 100%, CPU usage is normal. Want more frames? Lower the graphical settings, you'll see the CPU use go up.

As for youtube:

That's from 1080p, I can read them just fine.

Also, if you're running 360+ fps on a 165 Hz display and you have vsync ON you will have increased latency and the game will feel sluggish because of that. Either disable vsync or limit your FPS to 158'ish.

 

[Dr. Dro]

@Dr. Dro could this be an issue with the LGA1700 retention mechanism?

Very much doubt it, but I've always had the contact frame on mine. Anyway there doesn't seem to be anything wrong from what we can deduce from here. Thermals are fine, everything's fine... RTX 3060's not the fastest GPU on the block, far from it (which is why "better than 50%" on 3dmark, but... PC should be fine, I wonder if their expectation of it is too high?

First video - CPU util at 17%, GPU at 20% - shitty game engine, move on. Also, stop forcing "Prefer maximum performance" in GPU settings, since you're running max clocks at 7% GPU load in a 2D game.
Second screen - you are GPU bound at 100%, CPU usage is normal. Want more frames? Lower the graphical settings, you'll see the CPU use go up.

As for youtube:
View attachment 339104
That's from 1080p, I can read them just fine.

Yeeep.

 

[baybay]

First video - CPU util at 17%, GPU at 20% - shitty game engine, move on. Also, stop forcing "Prefer maximum performance" in GPU settings, since you're running max clocks at 7% GPU load in a 2D game.
Second screen - you are GPU bound at 100%, CPU usage is normal. Want more frames? Lower the graphical settings, you'll see the CPU use go up.

As for youtube:
View attachment 339104
That's from 1080p, I can read them just fine.

What about every other thing except Warcraft 3 thou? All games and even just simple things as opening folders, etc chops out the system for a second or 2.

I just noticed i did the 3DMark test with the wrong one, that one with 350+ FPS was with Integrated graphics benchmark, this is the results of the actual one

SO MUCH better already guys!!! the FPS only goes down by 30 instead of like 100fps now

 

[Chomiq]

Why would you have IGP enabled anyway? I'd only turn it on for troubleshooting in case GPU goes bad.

 

[baybay]

This is what Throttlestop says now, Really happy to see it at 77.7W max instead of 32W

Why would you have IGP enabled anyway? I'd only turn it on for troubleshooting in case GPU goes bad.

I don't have it enabled in bios, It's just the test by 3DMark, isnt as demanding as the dedicated gpu one

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Memory 3600c18 is not very good so penalty there and likely not much adjustments can be done either except a couple basic ones
DRAM REF Cycle Time [350] basic is just reduce from what is used by default to 1-200 points.
DRAM Refresh Interval [65535] this is the max but basic would be double what ever is used by default.

The 870 evo well those are defective

Samsung 870 EVO - Beware, certain batches prone to failure!

Certain 870 EVO 4TB and 2TB drives are affected by early failures where they develop uncorrectable errors and some data just cannot be read from them anymore. This seems to primarily affect drives produced in January/February 2021. For example, i have three 870 EVO 4TB, only one is affected (so...

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[baybay]

Hi,
Memory 3600c18 is not very good so penalty there and likely not much adjustments can be done either except a couple basic ones
DRAM REF Cycle Time [350] basic is just reduce from what is used by default to 1-200 points.
DRAM Refresh Interval [65535] this is the max but basic would be double what ever is used by default.

The 870 evo well those are defective

Samsung 870 EVO - Beware, certain batches prone to failure!

Certain 870 EVO 4TB and 2TB drives are affected by early failures where they develop uncorrectable errors and some data just cannot be read from them anymore. This seems to primarily affect drives produced in January/February 2021. For example, i have three 870 EVO 4TB, only one is affected (so...

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I have a 870 1TB not 2TB, or 4TB, is the 1TB defective too? cause i swear its not running right either and i have contacted samsung 2 times about it and they haven't done anything

One quick question about AVX512, should i have that on? and I have to disable E-Cores if i do is that good or bad?