new tv/display what one? what to avoid?

[Morgoth]

so im gona replace my plasma tv thats now 15+ years old and im wondering what i should avoid? what should i get? like Qled. crystal led. that kind of stuff
im looking at 50/55inch size screen. and i actualy dont watch *TV* but i use it as a display to watch movies on connected to my computer..
and i realy dont care about brands

 

[Waldorf]

most names are for marketing, e.g. when samsung saw sony/lg selling oleds like stupid, they decided to call there's qled, expecting ppl to think they are better,
since Q comes after O.
basically will be some form of lcd (fald or mini led) or oled.

its down to use (where/for what), and i would still lean towards a tv (not just moni), so its always possible to use standalone for "emergencies", or just so you can switch
to a "live" broadcast/stream stuff thats not on your pc.

if its not a bright room, oled, especially if something like a sony with surface audio, as at least in the past some models allowed for use in audio system (as center speaker).
maybe mini-led if its about cost.

havent looked at oled reviews, but my preference is sony, as their processing is much better, and unless most of your content is 4K from a BD,
it usually makes for a much better image.
best 2024 oleds

for lcd, look at those
50/55 Hisense
50 TCL

 

[Dr. Dro]

If you have the budget, buy an LG OLED C4 or G4, Samsung S95D. Not worth purchasing anything else. Except maybe the C3, G3, S95C if you can get them at a good price.

 

[Waldorf]

except i have yet to see any review saying the 95D is worth it over the 90C, or the A95L from sony.

and many are willing to pay more, to not have to deal with the OS Samsung/LG are using, or the limits on what apps you can install.

 

[Frick]

If you have the budget

This is hugely important.

Basically today it seems that there are two categories of TV's: Good and Bad/OK. Good = OLED, and everything else falls under the "OK I guess but it's not OLED". I recently helped my parents purchase a TV and the research was so annoying. The consensus is that there is no such thing as a "Good" TV that isn't OLED, and they are still quite expensive. I ended up recommending the 55" Samsung Q70C, and while I haven't seen it in person they are happy with it and the somewhat knowledgeable relatives who live nearby also thinks it good.

 

[ARF]

so im gona replace my plasma tv thats now 15+ years old and im wondering what i should avoid? what should i get? like Qled. crystal led. that kind of stuff
im looking at 50/55inch size screen. and i actualy dont watch *TV* but i use it as a display to watch movies on connected to my computer..
and i realy dont care about brands

Hisense, Xiaomi or Panasonic deliver really excellent TVs.

 

[Waldorf]

@Frick
lol.
oled tech doesnt make the tv "better", nor does it guarantee a better image quality.

and at the price of the Q70, there are others offering fald, at a little more even mini led, which has to do with the brand, not the non-oled tech (lcd).

even if plaininly going for budget, those are better than the samsung...
budget 55in

 

[Morgoth]

my budget sits between 300-400 euro i find enough money for a display my current AOC 27inch 1080p costed me 160 euro and my old plasma tv i think i paid 300 for it

and im odering it from this website they can also remove my old tv on the spot

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so what display tech should i get ? among these?? and what not??

 

[ARF]

Either of these:

Hisense and TCL are your choices

 

[Dr. Dro]

This is hugely important.

Basically today it seems that there are two categories of TV's: Good and Bad/OK. Good = OLED, and everything else falls under the "OK I guess but it's not OLED". I recently helped my parents purchase a TV and the research was so annoying. The consensus is that there is no such thing as a "Good" TV that isn't OLED, and they are still quite expensive. I ended up recommending the 55" Samsung Q70C, and while I haven't seen it in person they are happy with it and the somewhat knowledgeable relatives who live nearby also thinks it good.

Agree, just assumed budget was there because it wasn't specified and I presume that they probably intend to keep the TV for as long as they kept the previous one. OLED is heavily preferred though... it's hard to understate how much better they are. But they are indeed much pricier (and sometimes MUCH MUCH pricier).

my budget sits between 300-400 euro i find enough money for a display my current AOC 27inch 1080p costed me 160 euro and my old plasma tv i think i paid 300 for it

and im odering it from this website they can also remove my old tv on the spot

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Tv kopen? Het grootste assortiment televisies vind je online bij MediaMarkt of in één van onze winkels. ✓De juiste prijs ✓Snel

www.mediamarkt.nl

View attachment 351424View attachment 351425 so what display tech should i get ? among these?? and what not??

Oh yeah at 400 you aren't buying an OLED. I'd pick this one, seems solid for 399 EUR

https://www.mediamarkt.nl/nl/product/_samsung-crystal-uhd-43cu7040-2024-1803728.html

 

[Frick]

@Frick
lol.
oled tech doesnt make the tv "better", nor does it guarantee a better image quality.

I'm saying that is the consensus.

and at the price of the Q70, there are others offering fald, at a little more even mini led, which has to do with the brand, not the non-oled tech (lcd).

even if plaininly going for budget, those are better than the samsung...

It was on a sale plus the store is good.

But yeah the ones ARF posted for sure, for that budget.

 

[Bill_Bright]

oled tech doesnt make the tv "better", nor does it guarantee a better image quality.

No it does not "guarantee" a better image but "IF" everything else about the devices are equal, then yeah, the OLED display vs some other LED technology does typically ensure a better image quality.

Are there exceptions? Of course! That's what the big "IF" is for. But for a general statement, if looking for the absolute best image display available today, OLED is the way to go. HOWEVER, that IN NO WAY means you cannot get just as much enjoyment or be just as entertained with a different technology display.

Sadly, too many get caught up in published specs (or benchmark scores) and not the actual experience. We see this all the time where someone cannot enjoy their game because they are "only" getting 160FPS instead of 163FPS like someone else gets.

The point is, in order to determine which is best, you need to compare two specific models. Not two brands. Not two technologies. But two specific models.

I am not sure you are going to get strictly a monitor (vs a TV) at that size for a price within your budget. Remember, what is a TV but a monitor with a built-in RF tuner? That said, you say you don't need a TV now, but what if you move and your new location offers great OTA content? You will need a tuner. I am just saying don't dismiss a good option simply because it has a tuner too.

 

[nomdeplume]

Oh yeah at 400 you aren't buying an OLED. I'd pick this one, seems solid for 399 EUR

Samsung has - I believe even in the EU market - a strong chance of being less reliable option than TCL etc. that are so prominent a $$$ choice.

Demographic of someone who is either older and prone to hooking up all sorts of junk electronics or those who will use it for numerous concurrent hours daily. Differs greatly from more diversely active, option and spec heavy shoppers who will replace it when the next shiny object of perceived social prominence arrives. The market has spoken and TCL etc. also tend to have better RMA/Customer Service.

I'd suggest a very open mind. Everywhere from (Category B above) people throw out some perfectly working "junk" to looking outside the name assures quality brands for developing options. $$$ is going to get you nothing comparable to a plasma tv nowadays from established brands at retail. You might need to be patient and studious in order to find an acceptable replacement.

 

[Morgoth]

I am not sure you are going to get strictly a monitor (vs a TV) at that size for a price within your budget. Remember, what is a TV but a monitor with a built-in RF tuner? That said, you say you don't need a TV now, but what if you move and your new location offers great OTA content? You will need a tuner. I am just saying don't dismiss a good option simply because it has a tuner too.

i shecked display screens and they cost allot more than a tv thats why im going for a tv instead. and i dont use cable or local tv channels. i prefer netflix and "other means" and i do like having a tune to turn up and down the volume. something that usealy doest com with a screen atleast not my aoc display screen

and i asume the led tvs that exist today are atleast equal or beter than my aoc 1080p and way superior to my plasma tv.. but in the past i had a cheap 1080p led screen that was realy garbage and i wish not to make that mistake before...

 

[Bill_Bright]

i shecked display screens and they cost allot more than a tv thats why im going for a tv instead.

and i do like having a tune to turn up and down the volume.

I agree. A TV makes sense. And yes, a remote control is a must have convenience.

Samsung has - I believe even in the EU market - a strong chance of being less reliable

Please explain what you mean by "less reliable". Less reliable implies Samsung TVs experience frequent failures. Is that what you are really saying? Got a link to support that claim?

TCL offers some great entry level, lower costs products, but they are not well known for top-tier quality or reliability. As What HI-FI? notes,

TCL is one of the major players in the TV market, particularly at the budget end of things
its TVs are usually cheaper than equivalent sets from big brands
TCL TVs may not be the best for gamers... ...but that's hardly surprising at the price.

I am NOT saying TCL is "less reliable". What I am saying is I see nothing to suggest they are "more reliable" than Samsung, or any other major brands.

 

[nomdeplume]

I am NOT saying TCL is "less reliable". What I am saying is I see nothing to suggest they are "more reliable" than Samsung, or any other major brands.

Above all what you aren't saying is you have awareness of EU market products meeting EU regulations. I specifically stated this before making a few leading personal statements based on personal experience and recollections of the impressions of others. This implies a social directive, a movement among connected people, akin to avoiding the fruit from one store in favor of where the quality has moved.



@Morgoth

I think a move above 60 fps should be a driving force in making a choice. Again I'm not entirely sure what the on the ground reality of broadcasting standards is in the EU. Plasma level color and picture quality is going to be even harder to reach when you add high refresh rate to low budget or low desire to give away money. Please update this if you do buy something as it might be a very interesting choice.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Above all what you aren't saying is you have awareness of EU market products meeting EU regulations. I specifically stated this before making a few leading personal statements based on personal experience and recollections of the impressions of others. This implies a social directive, a movement among connected people, akin to avoiding the fruit from one store in favor of where the quality has moved.

Sorry, but despite your own personal belief, your very limited anecdotal experiences mean nothing here. You made a statement suggesting Samsung monitors are "less reliable" than TCL. Please provide some supporting evidence to back up that very strong, disparaging statement.

You should also be aware that major, global marketers like Samsung, Sony, Viewsonic, LG, TCL and others commonly manufacture and distribute the exact same product worldwide. The only difference, besides 1 or 2 letters off in the model number, in many cases is typically just the power cord because different regions of the globe use different connectors in their wall outlets.

It is MUCH CHEAPER for these manufacturers, in terms of production costs as well as all the logistics involved in sourcing components, maintaining inventories and distribution, to make one model for multiple markets.

This is exactly why most AC to DC power supplies these days are "universal", able to support as low as 90VAC all the way up to 250VAC and beyond, and 50 - 60Hz.

This is also exactly why you will see labels on these products with the regulatory logos for EU, US and other countries - like this label.

 

[harm9963]

For two years now , got it for $600 on sale , firmware v8-T615T02-LFV291 or 295 is a must have .​

TCL 55" Class 6-Series 4K Mini-LED UHD QLED Dolby Vision HDR Smart Google TV - 55R646​

 

[TheLostSwede]

Try to get something with FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) as it will make HDR 100x better, since you won't get streaks of light as you get with a normal edge-lit display.
It also reduces "bleed" from subtitles.

 

[nomdeplume]

Sorry, but despite your own personal belief, your very limited anecdotal experiences mean nothing here. You made a statement suggesting Samsung monitors are "less reliable" than TCL. Please provide some supporting evidence to back up that very strong, disparaging statement.

Samsung has - I believe even in the EU market - a strong chance of being less reliable option than TCL etc. that are so prominent a $$$ choice.

Trying to make a mountain of a mole hill out of a statement with qualifiers so heavily implied it reads more like a question than "disparaging statement."

I personally don't log in to pursue conversation diametrically opposed to the act it supposes to accomplish.
Not about to develop any latent unformed tendencies in that direction. Here or in any other discussion attempts are being made to suppress it through.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Trying to make a mountain of a mole hill out of a statement with qualifiers so heavily implied

Claiming (or even questioning) one of the most popular brands of TVs and monitors is less reliable is hardly a mole hill. No this model or that model, but the whole entire brand, Samsung? Especially when posed without providing any corroborating evidence?

My goal is simply to learn and express the true facts so readers can make an informed decision.

Samsung has - I believe even in the EU market - a strong chance of being less reliable option than TCL etc. that are so prominent a $$$ choice.

So according to you, that statement is so heavily laden with qualifiers that it reads as a question, rather than a statement of fact? Ok.

PLEASE - educate me. Why would, or rather, why would you "believe" TCL, a Chinese based and partially "state owned" company know how to build "more reliable" monitors than Samsung, a global leader in electronics for twice as long as TCL? Why, in particular, would the EU market be more challenging for Samsung and not TCL?

 

[SalemTheKit]

So, not to be that guy, but I've been researching TVs for a while now due to my own living circumstances and the advice that @Waldorf is giving is the best I've seen so far. Yes, OLEDs are gonna be better in a lot of ways, but that doesn't mean LCDs are bad in any way and many of them are actually fantastic for most uses. Moreover, given the budget is a max of 400 euros, getting a cheap OLED is basically not an option and I feel like only recommending the highest-end TVs isn't really constructive. Those RTINGS links they posted offer good advice and have the data to back it up.

When I get home I'll dabble in what options specifically could work for you, @Morgoth

 

[Bill_Bright]

but that doesn't mean LCDs are bad in any way and many of them are actually fantastic for most uses.

Correct. And pretty sure no one is saying LCDs, as a category, are bad.

If you go to a show room (which I recommend) just remember most TVs are set at the factory with exaggerated brightness and contrast to make them standout in the showroom. Most typically need to be adjusted (preferably, calibrated) once you get them home. At best, you need to find some decent content and adjust for the most realistic skin tones with a variety of different faces. Just make sure they are not AI or CGI created faces.

I will add, except in a side by side, blind comparison with identical content and calibrated displays, most viewers would not be able to tell the difference between a good QLED and a good OLED.

And adding to that, any brand new, decent quality TV someone buys today most likely will have a better display than the TV it is replacing at home - assuming the one at home is a few years and a generation or two old.

 

[bonehead123]

Well, from where I'm sitting atm, staring at my 17th Sammy screen, which just turned 5 years old this week, I would tend to disagree with the "Sammy's are less reliable" statement.....

My current household assortment includes 6 of their widescreen monitors, 4 large screen tv's, 2 sets of surround sound speakers & soundbars, 4 galaxy phones, plus 2 Fridges, a stand-alone freezer, a dishwasher, a clothes washer & dryer, a microwave, and a gas stove....

I'm not sayin other brands are more or less reliable than Sammy or any other brand, but I've had excellent experiences with Sammy's products, or perhaps I've just been one lucky mofu over the past 10 yrs

 

[harm9963]

Correct. And pretty sure no one is saying LCDs, as a category, are bad.

If you go to a show room (which I recommend) just remember most TVs are set at the factory with exaggerated brightness and contrast to make them standout in the showroom. Most typically need to be adjusted (preferably, calibrated) once you get them home. At best, you need to find some decent content and adjust for the most realistic skin tones with a variety of different faces. Just make sure they are not AI or CGI created faces.

I will add, except in a side by side, blind comparison with identical content and calibrated displays, most viewers would not be able to tell the difference between a good QLED and a good OLED.

And adding to that, any brand new, decent quality TV someone buys today most likely will have a better display than the TV it is replacing at home - assuming the one at home is a few years and a generation or two old.

Mini led is what sold me, in a very dark room ,like my room is great.