new tv/display what one? what to avoid?

[KrazyT]

It's actually surprising how long OLEDs have been used on phones, even the first Galaxy S (released 14 years ago) already had an OLED screen (though some models had a traditional LCD).

Yes, even the PS Vita has an Oled screen

 

[Ruru]

Yes, even the PS Vita has an Oled screen

I never even remember that console as it was discontinued so quickly. :/

 

[azrael]

Claiming (or even questioning) one of the most popular brands of TVs and monitors is less reliable is hardly a mole hill. No this model or that model, but the whole entire brand, Samsung? Especially when posed without providing any corroborating evidence?

My goal is simply to learn and express the true facts so readers can make an informed decision.


So according to you, that statement is so heavily laden with qualifiers that it reads as a question, rather than a statement of fact? Ok.

PLEASE - educate me. Why would, or rather, why would you "believe" TCL, a Chinese based and partially "state owned" company know how to build "more reliable" monitors than Samsung, a global leader in electronics for twice as long as TCL? Why, in particular, would the EU market be more challenging for Samsung and not TCL?

Talking from personal experience I have had several Samsung TVs fail on me and people I know. Not the "cheap" kind either. While I do love Samsung SSDs and Samsung memory, I'm not really that keen on Samsung TVs any longer. You may call that anecdotal evidence if you like. I call it reality.

Actually, TCL has probably existed a whole lot longer than you may think. That doesn't say whether or not their models are any good, though. TBH, I have no idea either way. They do seem well-liked elsewhere, though.

 

[AleXXX666]

most names are for marketing, e.g. when samsung saw sony/lg selling oleds like stupid, they decided to call there's qled, expecting ppl to think they are better,
since Q comes after O.
basically will be some form of lcd (fald or mini led) or oled.

its down to use (where/for what), and i would still lean towards a tv (not just moni), so its always possible to use standalone for "emergencies", or just so you can switch
to a "live" broadcast/stream stuff thats not on your pc.

if its not a bright room, oled, especially if something like a sony with surface audio, as at least in the past some models allowed for use in audio system (as center speaker).
maybe mini-led if its about cost.

havent looked at oled reviews, but my preference is sony, as their processing is much better, and unless most of your content is 4K from a BD,
it usually makes for a much better image.
best 2024 oleds

for lcd, look at those
50/55 Hisense
50 TCL

my vote for samsung only yeah marketing but best menu like with smartphones IMO! sony is much much "greater" "marketing", btw (overprice)

 

[Morgoth]

my current plasma samsung tv lasted me 15 year it did started to show some issues like dead cells on bright white background. it outlasted my first lcd pc display that i had gotten some where back in the 2007
thurdsay 27 im getting the new tv

 

[Bill_Bright]

thurdsay 27 im getting the new tv

Even if your 15 year old plasma was the best of the best at the time, no doubt this new TV's display will dazzle and amaze with its picture quality.

That said, one disappointing trend I have noticed in recent years with TVs is the audio quality has degraded significantly. I note there are several reasons for this, including the following.

1. TVs have gotten thinner and thinner over the years and consequently, the speakers have gotten smaller and thinner too. While small-speaker technologies have improved significantly, a limited "throw" of the speaker limits the range (low bass to high treble) of the audio frequencies. "Big bass" sounds for music or LFEs (low frequency effects - explosions, rumbling volcanos, etc.) require lots of amplification (wattage) too - a challenge in limited space.​

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2. TV design trends are such that what the viewer sees is the screen itself, and the smallest bezel possible all around, and nothing more. This means speakers tend to be located on the backside of the TV and the sound must bounce off the wall behind and out into the viewing area. Low frequencies tend to be omni-directional and typically are not a problem (with enough amplitude). But smaller speakers have a harder time with lower frequencies (bass notes). Higher frequencies prefer line-of-sight. And of course, the composition of the wall plays a HUGE role in how any sound bounces (or is totally absorbed) by the wall (and/or wall covering) materials.​

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3. Coincidently , most TV makers also make highly profitable sound bars they would love to sell us consumers to go with our new TVs. So, they really are not interested in integrating high-fidelity sound into these new TVs.​

 

[Waldorf]

@KrazyT
except 2 things:
1. its still a toyota
2. it doesnt translate into a better car.
virtually everyone that has driven it will not have it, unless its for collection kind of thing.
similar with the GT-R.
nice, and can keep up with super sport cars from other brands, but its still a sterile "tech" ride your driving, unlike the other brands.
besides, lambo is owned by vw group for a while, so newer models arent that problematic anymore.

@AleXXX666
except when you look at "reference" stuff like screens for production/grading, all mostly sony, incl 30in oled-monis for +30K a piece, not seen much from samsung anywhere close.
you dont become the reference for something, with just marketing.

 

[Morgoth]

got the new tv. the picture is realy sharp. playing a 1080p movie on 4k screen. and changed the resolution to 1080p

blacks are good beter than it looks on my plasma. the minor side is.. the remote a huge let down compared to my old one. but bearly used any fuctions on the old one lol

i also noticed the ammount of ports on the new tv is allot les than my old one

 

[P4-630]

i also noticed the ammount of ports on the new tv is allot les than my old one

You could have known that before buying though...

 

[Morgoth]

You could have known that before buying though...

i would asume a "TV" still support legacy products. atleast it came with a hdmi port
tough i dont see a speaker port like we have on pc so i wonder where a external speaker needs to be connected

 

[Waldorf]

@Morgoth
for less demanding titles i would still try to use 1440p or 2160p, and you could turn off any AA when using native res..

its normal for samsung and others, part of the reason i had ~10% of samsung customers switching to sony, as they still offered ports like AV in/out or audio out..

 

[TheLostSwede]

i would asume a "TV" still support legacy products. atleast it came with a hdmi port
tough i dont see a speaker port like we have on pc so i wonder where a external speaker needs to be connected

Look up HDMI ARC/eARC.
It also has an optical Toslink output.

 

[Bill_Bright]

i would asume a "TV" still support legacy products

Why? They are "legacy" for a reason - they have been replaced, superseded and no longer in use. Adding support for legacy products just adds complexity and costs to the device.

tough i dont see a speaker port like we have on pc so i wonder where a external speaker needs to be connected

I would not expect to see a speaker port - especially like one seen on PCs. Those on PCs are analog 2-channel (stereo). The TV should support digital 5.1 surround as a minimum. So it would use, as noted above, HDMI or optical, at least.

Bottom line: RTFM.

 

[Waldorf]

@Bill_Bright
only for brands like Samsung that want every last penny, and completely ignore what other items a user might want to connect.

part why a lot of older folks decided to get a sony instead of the samsung or lg to wanted, as sony still offers not only IR connecting for repe4aters,
but still has AV multi in, and headphone out.
enough ppl want to connect their older dvd player or video camera, or things like consoles, with nintendo using AV out, as not everyone buys an xbox or ps 5
for their 5y old grandchild to play on.

 

[SalemTheKit]

@Morgoth I do want to apologize for not responding to this thread. I sadly got ill and as a result my immune system went haywire so I was offline for a good couple weeks there as my body tried to figure itself out. I'm super glad to hear your TV purchase went well and hope it gave you what you're looking for ^^

 

[Bill_Bright]

only for brands like Samsung that want every last penny, and completely ignore what other items a user might want to connect.

"Only"? Not even. Come on, Waldorf! You have made it clear many times you don't like Samsung. We get it. But at least be fair and unbiased about it. No manufacturer is going to maintain legacy support forever.

How many new TVs (any brand) still support "component" video inputs? S-Video? DVI? VGA? This brand new Insignia doesn't. This Sony does not either. What about this Vizio? Nope!

How many new cars still have cassette players? Most new cars don't come with a CD player.

I have been forced to upgrade my cell phone twice because new cell technologies were implemented by the carriers and my existing phone did not support them. My last phone I loved, but it only supported up to 3G.

I was forced to upgrade my Internet modem when my provider stopped supporting DOCSIS2.0.

I was forced to replace my entire home AC unit because the condenser coils on my 25 year old Lennox finally rusted out allowing all the old, obsolete ozone depleting R-22 refrigerant to escape. The old coils could not be repaired. Replacement coils that physically fit only supported the latest refrigerants, not R-22. And the outdoor unit only used R-22. I was forced to replace the whole system. Not a $5000 I was planning to spend.

Being forced to upgrade to new technologies is, sadly, just a fact of life.

@Morgoth - I fully understand and appreciate your frustration. I also understand the manufacturer's too. Legacy products become legacy products for two primary reasons. (1) Advances in technologies supplant the older technologies and (2) consumers stop using (not always voluntarily) their legacy products.

For those two main reasons (among several lesser reasons), it just does not make financial or practical sense to keep providing legacy support for fewer and fewer consumers.

 

[freeagent]

I personally avoid Hisense/Sharp.

Garbage that is designed to fail.

 

[P4-630]

I always had a good experience with Philips TV's.

 

[Waldorf]

@Bill_Bright
maybe i should have said, just because one brand gets rid of connection or calls them legacy, doesnt mean the whole planet is doing the same.

its clearly not because of the lack of space, as i still have all other connections (4 hdmi, 2 usb, toslink/RS232/IR repeater/ethernet),
and since the samsungs previously had it, its not like you have to do any R&D, to feature it, so the only reason not to have those legacy ports,
is for cost, and some brands seem to prioritize the options a customers has, to use with existing stuff, and not to save a buck.

even the latest tvs from sony have analog/composite in and headphone out. and at least the better ones come with the dongle to connect over rca.

about 20% of my sales were to ppl that wanted it (old video camera/low end console/old dvd player), and samsung/lg not offering those,
its clear, they arent obsolete from a buyer's standpoint.
and why should ppl replace things they already have (and still work), spend more money (e.g. new BD player with hdmi), just so they can watch their existing vhs/dvd library,
because a brand decided "they" dont want those connections anymore

besides that tvs arent cell phones, irrelevant outside the US, as it about cost to US providers, with them converting (thus shutting down) 2G towers into 5G,
and has nothing to do with the fact that your phone is old, as im still able to use/connect to 2G in Europe just fine, all with a +5y old phone that doesnt even do full 4G.

the global switch to a different type of refrigerant to prevent damage to the planets atmosphere/global warming, or that your system is almost 3 decades old and had damage,
has ZERO to do with "legacy" on electronics.

 

[Vayra86]

I'd stay away from a 60hz, large diameter panel you will be using for a PC / PC like use cases. If its just watching TV, 60hz is fine.

Get something that'll do higher refresh if possible. Spending 400 for a TV just for the large diameter... eh. Not sure that's going to be a great experience. 400 also gets you a 34 inch ultrawide with high and variable refresh.

 

[Dr. Dro]

got the new tv. the picture is realy sharp. playing a 1080p movie on 4k screen. and changed the resolution to 1080p

blacks are good beter than it looks on my plasma. the minor side is.. the remote a huge let down compared to my old one. but bearly used any fuctions on the old one lol

i also noticed the ammount of ports on the new tv is allot les than my old one

This is normal. Unfortunately low end TVs are coming with only a couple of HDMI ports and that's it. Idea is to use a gaming console and a set top box.

If you need the old RCA composite or component RGB inputs, or a VGA in, you'll have to purchase adapters. Fortunately they are pretty cheap.

The Sammy remote takes some getting used to but you'll master it eventually! Glad you liked the picture.

I'd stay away from a 60hz, large diameter panel you will be using for a PC / PC like use cases. If its just watching TV, 60hz is fine.

Get something that'll do higher refresh if possible. Spending 400 for a TV just for the large diameter... eh. Not sure that's going to be a great experience. 400 also gets you a 34 inch ultrawide with high and variable refresh.

Apparently the use case was just a budget TV for watching TV purposes. OP ended up buying the model I recommended, a Crystal UHD from Samsung. It's pretty nice for what it is, although it does have some compromises - still their budget was 400 and not a buck more so that turned out alright

 

[Vayra86]

@Bill_Bright
only for brands like Samsung that want every last penny, and completely ignore what other items a user might want to connect.

part why a lot of older folks decided to get a sony instead of the samsung or lg to wanted, as sony still offers not only IR connecting for repe4aters,
but still has AV multi in, and headphone out.
enough ppl want to connect their older dvd player or video camera, or things like consoles, with nintendo using AV out, as not everyone buys an xbox or ps 5
for their 5y old grandchild to play on.

Its always a tough call really when to phase out old I/O. I think you said it right: older folks. Not so old folks just get with the times. Plus, you can probably get an adapter for it just as well and convert analog to digital.

I mean really, if you're still faffing about with DVDs and old style analog video (camera) / content its time to make a move. Convert that content to digital, or put an external DVD player on a wire. This is yet another way to preserve your library of content isn't it? Why should the TV provide all of that nonsense just because people are a-technical or lazy about preserving their stuff through time? Because that's all it is. There is no new content generation on analog, and if it is, its for an art project or something other with an artistic angle, with a direct purpose for said technology.

 

[Bill_Bright]

maybe i should have said, just because one brand gets rid of connection or calls them legacy, doesnt mean the whole planet is doing the same.

"'Is' doing the same"? As in this very day? No. Will eventually? Yes.

Can you find any, even one currently manufactured TV that supports S-Video? Analog VGA? Even the not-too-old DVI? And if you do find one, does it make moot the whole point when the vast majority of the 100s of other currently produced TV lack those ports?

its clearly not because of the lack of space

Of course it is! Look at the back of your computer. Even if you have a monster, "full tower" case, the rear panel I/O area is a small, defined, finite space. Now look at brand new motherboards - particularly those that support integrated graphics. See any VGA or DVI ports? Probably not. Why? Because there's no space due to being filled with HDMI, DisplayPort, various USB ports, Audio ports, Ethernet and more.

What is a TV today but a computer with a big monitor attached and an included tuner? All the connections must go into a defined, finite space near where that computer electronics is OR the manufacturer must use wiring harnesses and long cables to "remote" locations somewhere else on the case - adding to the costs already strained by cutthroat completion.

Let me quickly add there is a HUGE "technical" reason to make every effort to avoid long cables too. And that is to prevent, eliminate and suppress EMI/RFI emanating from the those wires in the TV interfering with other nearby electronics, and to prevent, eliminate and suppress EMI/RFI from other nearby electronics interfering with that TV's electronics. I note the FCC, the 27 country EU MRA, and other global regulatory agencies take a very dim view of EMI/RFI emissions.

even the latest tvs from sony have analog/composite in and headphone out.

Now come on! Don't be silly.

OF COURSE, if the TV has built in speakers (including a headphone jack), it must have DAC circuitry and associated analog electronics. Why? Because sound (as in acoustic waves traveling through the air) is analog. Period! End of discussion.

the global switch to a different type of refrigerant to prevent damage to the planets atmosphere/global warming, or that your system is almost 3 decades old and had damage,
has ZERO to do with "legacy" on electronics.

I never said it did. Come on, Waldorf! Open your mind and remove your blinkers. You have tunnel vision. Or just being argumentative again. Or both.

This is not hard to see. I was clearly illustrating with AC refrigerant, 3G/4G cell phones, and CD players in cars that support for legacy products ends in all sorts of industries - not just TV or computer electronics. Sorry you could not (or just refuse to ) see that, or how it correlates to computer and TV technologies too. But they do.

Just because eco-friendly laws forced the change of refrigerates, that does not mean older ACs or their refrigerants did not become "legacy" products. They did. There are many reasons something can become a legacy product other than simple advances in the state-of-the-art. Building codes, new safety regulations and new laws force such changes all the time.

I think you said it right: older folks.

As an "old folk", I don't see it that way - most of the time. Forget the fact I still have a landline - that's for a different discussion .

I believe with age comes wisdom. That includes how to wisely spend (and save) our money. It simply is counterintuitive to get rid of something that is still working perfectly fine and serving its purpose. Yet that is exactly what many advances in these technologies require us to do. How many of you (including me) retired perfectly good CRT TVs for LCD? 4:3 LCD monitors for 16:10 or 16:9?

I have over 600 music CDs. I have "burned" copies of all to my cell and microSD. But did you know you cannot legally make a digital copy unless you have the original CD? Or more importantly, if you make a copy and decide to get rid of the CD you MUST get rid of all your copies too? Same with DVD/Blu-ray movies.

How many "younger folks" insisted their PlayStation 4 was no longer any good because the PS5 was out? How many will do the same again when suddenly, in 2026 (if rumors hold true) their PS5 and all their PS5 games will instantly become pieces of sh!t because PS6 is out? It is not just an "older folks" thing.

 

[Chrispy_]

got the new tv. the picture is realy sharp. playing a 1080p movie on 4k screen. and changed the resolution to 1080p

If you are driving it with an AMD or Nvidia GPU, look for integer scaling.

I personally prefer integer scaling of a 1080p resolution on a 4K TV over the TV's own blurry upscaling. The setting is in the display driver and worth playing with so you can decide what you prefer.

 

[Vayra86]

As an "old folk", I don't see it that way - most of the time. Forget the fact I still have a landline - that's for a different discussion .

I believe with age comes wisdom. That includes how to wisely spend (and save) our money. It simply is counterintuitive to get rid of something that is still working perfectly fine and serving its purpose. Yet that is exactly what many advances in these technologies require us to do. How many of you (including me) retired perfectly good CRT TVs for LCD? 4:3 LCD monitors for 16:10 or 16:9?

I have over 600 music CDs. I have "burned" copies of all to my cell and microSD. But did you know you cannot legally make a digital copy unless you have the original CD? Or more importantly, if you make a copy and decide to get rid of the CD you MUST get rid of all your copies too? Same with DVD/Blu-ray movies.

Legally make a copy... sure, if thats an angle one cares about when keeping your owned media preserved. Personally I dont care for the fact law is behind reality or common sense sometimes. And it is here and wrt digital rights management altogether. OF COURSE you need to modernize your storage from time to time if you want to keep enjoying the stuff you already bought. It just comes down to that whichever way you approach it. Some playback device will go beyond repair, you havent got or no longer want to waste space... tons of potential reasons. The state or law or royalty deals have exactly zero room here in my mind. OF COURSE going digital in your storage is the only way forward. Everything else is just utterly wasteful.

So yes as a soon to be old folk I totally get your aversion to forced upgrades, the solution in my mind is being smart and pragmatic about it. Great way to save money that way. Apart from being forced... some stuff just also goes old and monitors are a good example. CRTs perhaps not so much but LCD just wears out at some point. And this applies to a lot of electronics. Even and perhaps especially storage media and playback devices.