Chances of Intel CPU dying?

[RaceT3ch]

So, Intel CPUs are dying right?
How concerned should I be, because I have to do coding and CAD projects on 13700/14700 CPUs at my school, because they bought Dell OEM's. I'm concerned that my system will die, and I won't have backed up data, losing progress.

 

[eidairaman1]

So, Intel CPUs are dying right?
How concerned should I be, because I have to do coding and CAD projects on 13700/14700 CPUs at my school, because they bought Dell OEM's. I'm concerned that my system will die, and I won't have backed up data, losing progress.

Ok 50% chance.

 

[thesmokingman]

Get an external drive and back up. There's no way to know if or when an affected cpu will degrade. It's not really something you can worry about on your end though so get a backup.

 

[RaceT3ch]

Get an external drive and back up. There's no way to know if or when an affected cpu will degrade. It's not really something you can worry about on your end though so get a backup.

Welp I gotta remember to not forget my USB's because I doubt my school is smart enough to fix it or even aware of this issue.

 

[sLowEnd]

So, Intel CPUs are dying right?
How concerned should I be, because I have to do coding and CAD projects on 13700/14700 CPUs at my school, because they bought Dell OEM's. I'm concerned that my system will die, and I won't have backed up data, losing progress.

Always back up any valuable data

 

[eidairaman1]

Welp I gotta remember to not forget my USB's because I doubt my school is smart enough or even aware of this issue.

Tether yourself to them

 

[JWNoctis]

Welp I gotta remember to not forget my USB's because I doubt my school is smart enough to fix it or even aware of this issue.

Not knowing how things work at your school, I'd still say you probably should always backup data anyway, if you are on school computers.

13700/14700 + I guess RX 6500 non-XT is pretty high spec for school computers, I think. They probably will know if these expensive assets started dying.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Realistically, next to zero. This thread is what the endless, ceaseless FUD spreading causes...

No, the CPU on your school's computer is not going to die.
No, you won't lose your data if the CPU malfunctions. It'll still be present in the machine's storage.
Yes, a correction is already under development and will be released soon
No, your school will likely not apply it any time soon, unless its IT department is exceptionally competent

 

[JWNoctis]

Realistically, next to zero. This thread is what the endless, ceaseless FUD spreading causes...

No, the CPU on your school's computer is not going to die.
No, you won't lose your data if the CPU malfunctions. It'll still be present in the machine's storage.
Yes, a correction is already under development and will be released soon
No, your school will likely not apply it any time soon, unless its IT department is exceptionally competent

Indeed. The chances of someone else accidentally damaging or erasing OP's work is much higher, if it's at all like how school computer worked in my days.

Wouldn't the microcode come with an OS update? If their school keeps their computers' OS updated at all they'd probably get it.

 

[A Computer Guy]

So, Intel CPUs are dying right?
How concerned should I be, because I have to do coding and CAD projects on 13700/14700 CPUs at my school, because they bought Dell OEM's. I'm concerned that my system will die, and I won't have backed up data, losing progress.

There is only one way out of this. 4 step plan: 1) backup data frequently 2) graduate as fast as possible 3) payoff student loans as fast as possible 4) buy AMD CPU computer before rent a PC takes over the world

 

[RaceT3ch]

There is only one way out of this. 4 step plan: 1) backup data frequently 2) graduate as fast as possible 3) payoff student loans as fast as possible 4) buy AMD CPU computer before rent a PC takes over the world

Oh don't worry, I got a decent 5600 + 5700 XT system at home.
As for school? Yea its already paid off. Thanks Australia!

 

[Zach_01]

Indeed. The chances of someone else accidentally damaging or erasing OP's work is much higher, if it's at all like how school computer worked in my days.

Wouldn't the microcode come with an OS update? If their school keeps their computers' OS updated at all they'd probably get it.

The microcode will come with BIOS updates. Some times they can update microcode with windows updates but I guess depends on how extensive the changes are.

And always backup your work. At home or on "public" PCs

 

[phanbuey]

So, Intel CPUs are dying right?
How concerned should I be, because I have to do coding and CAD projects on 13700/14700 CPUs at my school, because they bought Dell OEM's. I'm concerned that my system will die, and I won't have backed up data, losing progress.

If X is to be trusted (it isn't) current return rates on the i9 are around 7% or so - which is 3x higher than it should be, but the data on that is sketchy. The issue seems specific to the parts that are trying to clock over 6ghz - afaik 13700K/14700k deaths are much rarer, and 13700 and 14700 are even rarer than that...

Given that your dell oem school system probably has a 400W power supply and a motherboard with one naked VRM on it, I don't think it's going to degrade a 13700 or 14700 non-k anytime soon.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If X is to be trusted (it isn't) current return rates on the i9 are around 7% or so - which is 3x higher than it should be, but the data on that is sketchy. The issue seems specific to the parts that are trying to clock over 6ghz - afaik 13700K/14700k deaths are much rarer, and 13700 and 14700 are even rarer than that...

Given that your dell oem school system probably has a 400W power supply and a motherboard with one naked VRM on it, I don't think it's going to degrade a 13700 or 14700 non-k anytime soon.

The likelihood of it degrading to the point that it would not boot at all is probably next to zero regardless.

I'd say OP has a better chance of getting attacked by a funnel web spider or inland taipan.....

 

[W1zzard]

The likelihood of it degrading to the point that it would not boot at all is probably next to zero regardless.

This. The crashes are sporadic, and if the CPU breaks/gets replaced, all your data is still there. Always make backups, because other things can happen, like fire, theft, admin/user error

 

[RaceT3ch]

The likelihood of it degrading to the point that it would not boot at all is probably next to zero regardless.

I'd say OP has a better chance of getting attacked by a funnel web spider or inland taipan.....

I'd say 10 times more likely, considering how crazy Australia is

 

[iameatingjam]

Indeed. The chances of someone else accidentally damaging or erasing OP's work is much higher, if it's at all like how school computer worked in my days.

Wouldn't the microcode come with an OS update? If their school keeps their computers' OS updated at all they'd probably get it.

No. Intel specifically stated this.

"For all Intel Core 13th/14th Gen desktop processor users: This patch is being distributed via BIOS update and will not be available through operating system updates. Intel is working with its partners to ensure timely validation and rollout of the BIOS update for systems currently in service."

The likelihood of it degrading to the point that it would not boot at all is probably next to zero regardless.

IDK my first 14700k failure was awfully close. It could boot into windows but it would bsod within 5 minutes even at idle. I was able to eventually get up and running but only by disabling all but 4 of my ecores. And I never overclocked (b board) so the only difference betwen mine and the non-k would be 100mhz faster all core and 200mhz faster single core ( which I always found pretty finicky anyway).

 

[Caring1]

There's a 100% chance of it dying one day, just as we all will eventually.

 

[RaceT3ch]

There's a 100% chance of it dying one day, just as we all will eventually.

I meant preventing it dying in a PC's equivalent of burning alive and rather old age.
As long as it lives the next 2 years, I'll be okay.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

IDK my first 14700k failure was awfully close. It could boot into windows but it would bsod within 5 minutes even at idle. I was able to eventually get up and running but only by disabling all but 4 of my ecores. And I never overclocked (b board) so the only difference betwen mine and the non-k would be 100mhz faster all core and 200mhz faster single core ( which I always found pretty finicky anyway).

This to me sounds like just bad luck with a straight up defective cpu.

This issue would take time with instability likely ramping up slowly. Hopefully the new microcode completely eliminates the degradation.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So, Intel CPUs are dying right?
How concerned should I be, because I have to do coding and CAD projects on 13700/14700 CPUs at my school, because they bought Dell OEM's. I'm concerned that my system will die, and I won't have backed up data, losing progress.

Despite all the bad press, the chances are very low unless you have one of the highest end models and have been pushing it hard. The Dell computers you're talking about are very unlikely to be affected as Dell adheres very strictly to Intel's specifications. HP and most of the OEM system builders do the same.

It's the custom build systems that have issues. ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI and so on are the big offenders for the high voltage settings. Some have not been as affected as they haven't pushed settings so hard. AsRock being one, Biostar being another. I'm sure about NZXT.

So if you want to by a 13th or 14th gen i7 or i9, get a Dell, HP or Acer based system. Otherwise, buy 12th gen or Ryzen for now.

 

[iameatingjam]

This to me sounds like just bad luck with a straight up defective cpu.

This issue would take time with instability likely ramping up slowly. Hopefully the new microcode completely eliminates the degradation.

I hope so too.... and not just for my own sake.

You know, the weirdest thing was it seemed to be quite a good chip, right up before it died. Ran cool, boosts stayed high under load, system agent stabilized memory at low voltage. Then the bluescreens....

I have had some instability before on this cpu too, just not sure if it was degradation based. All I know is I got a couple bsods, reseated my cpu, updated my bios, and reinstalled windows and one of those things fixed the problem.

But now I'm on 129, I've unshackled my cpu (not sure if its permanent yet) and everything seems to be running OK right now. Performance is the good, temps are fine and everything is stable.

My only worry is the cpu is using a lot of vcore for its max boost to 5.5ghz (like 1.43v) and I cant access offsets without undoing the ucode fix (long story). I don't know, maybe I should bring the clocks back down.

What do you think? I mean I do have 2 extra years of rma if something does go wrong. And I am running on intel's default profile so I'm not breaking any rules ( I dont think ).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd just run it the way it is now out of the box it's what you paid for and if you get 5 years out of it awesome if not hopefully whatever amd has out is worthwhile assuming intel is full of shite with rma support...

Biggest problem for intel now is customers who have any instability, driver issues, game issues, temp issues, etc will think it's due to this degradation issues.

They've really put themselves in a bad situation with all that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What do you think? I mean I do have 2 extra years of rma if something does go wrong. And I am running on intel's default profile so I'm not breaking any rules ( I dont think ).

If your system is stable, even under full load, on defaults, I'd say stay on defaults and run out the warranty.

 

[iameatingjam]

I'd just run it the way it is now out of the box it's what you paid for and if you get 5 years out of it awesome if not hopefully whatever amd has out is worthwhile assuming intel is full of shite with rma support...

Biggest problem for intel now is customers who have any instability, driver issues, game issues, temp issues, etc will think it's due to this degradation issues.

They've really put themselves in a bad situation with all that.

No kidding. For those with intel cpus, its basically going to go from the least suspected failure point of the pc, to the most suspected. I mean just a couple years ago... if something was wrong with your computer, how often would you suspect your cpu? For me, it was pretty much never. Then again maybe different for overclockers? IDK.

But either way, every time intel denies an rma, even if the problem is really a video driver, and that person posts on reddit or is an influencer or something, its gonna be even more bad PR. What a shit situation indeed.