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blueturtle

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I need to replace my current Intel(1700)cpu/Asus(B760) motherboard, wanting to reuse most of my current hardware.

I dont need pretty unicorn rgb lights, just something super stable, no overclocking, and a nice large heatsink on the mosfets. Ive had great luck with MSI GPU's and Motherboards.

MSI PRO B550-A PRO(link) newegg (link) $120
AMD 5950X (link) $368

Reuse:
Corsair 32GB 3200 DDR4
Samsung Pro M2 512GB
Samsung Pro M2 2TB
MSI GTX 1660 TI (will upgrade soon)
Seasonic VERTEX(ATX3.0) Plat 1000W


Thought on a solid MSI AM4 motherboard ya can still get?
 
blueturtle said:
I need to replace my current Intel(1700)cpu/Asus(B760) motherboard, wanting to reuse most of my current hardware.

I dont need pretty unicorn rgb lights, just something super stable, no overclocking, and a nice large heatsink on the mosfets. Ive had great luck with MSI GPU's and Motherboards.

MSI PRO B550-A PRO(link) newegg (link) $120
AMD 5950X (link) $368

Reuse:
Corsair 32GB 3200 DDR4
Samsung Pro M2 512GB
Samsung Pro M2 2TB
MSI GTX 1660 TI (will upgrade soon)
Seasonic VERTEX(ATX3.0) Plat 1000W


Thought on a solid MSI AM4 motherboard ya can still get?
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I've owned that board. It's basic, but solid.

I'd probably spend just a little bit more ($140) and grab the MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk MAX WiFi instead. (if you do, make sure to choose shipped and sold by Amazon for the same price)
 
blueturtle said:
Reuse:
Corsair 32GB 3200 DDR4
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I would abandon that plan. DDR4 is becoming obsolete. DDR5 is here to stay. This means if you stick with DDR4, you will be forced to stick with older generation motherboard and possibly CPU too.

I mean if going new, go new.
 
blueturtle said:
I need to replace my current Intel(1700)cpu/Asus(B760) motherboard, wanting to reuse most of my current hardware.

I dont need pretty unicorn rgb lights, just something super stable, no overclocking, and a nice large heatsink on the mosfets. Ive had great luck with MSI GPU's and Motherboards.

MSI PRO B550-A PRO(link) newegg (link) $120
AMD 5950X (link) $368

Reuse:
Corsair 32GB 3200 DDR4
Samsung Pro M2 512GB
Samsung Pro M2 2TB
MSI GTX 1660 TI (will upgrade soon)
Seasonic VERTEX(ATX3.0) Plat 1000W


Thought on a solid MSI AM4 motherboard ya can still get?
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What is your need in terms of workload for this PC?
Gaming, productivity?

What is exactly your current CPU?
 
*If* you have to get AM4 I would recommend Asrock B550/X570 Taichi or Asrock B550/X570 Taichi Razor (has individual armor so less PITA adding NVMe drives later and better placement of chipset fan)

X570 Taichi can be configured with the 128GB ECC ram (as listed in my specs) no problem of that is something that is also important to you.
Also in terms of expansion slots (x16/x8) + x8 + x4 + x1 + x1 gives you some options for expansion.

For example
  • Slot x16 (or x8) for GPU
  • Slot x8 (or x4 x4) for dual Optane drives
  • Slot x4 for like a 10GB LAN card (or 3rd onboard NVMe)
  • Slot x1 for something small like more USB
  • Slot x1 for something small like more lowspeed NVMe adaptor
Taichi's have been popping up on ebay for under $180 and 5950x for $250-$300 making that kind of combo a deal for 16 core older hardware if you can mange to snag them those at those prices.

Anyway AM5 is the better option for price / performance value now in the AMD sphere especially if you can manage to get a deal $230 for X670e motherboard + $500 for 16 core CPU.

blueturtle said:
Unreal Engine 5 & Blender 4
older games "FOV, Minecraft, HL2, DOOM 2016,

MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI (link_NE) $215 (link_MSI) Pre-installed IO
GSkill DDR5 6000/CAS_30 (link_NW) no RGB $195
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D (link_NW)$547

The $400 difference vs just the core upgrade/AM4, seems like a fare cost difference.
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If your already going to spend that amount 9950x would only be $100 more at current prices.

(edit) although that $100 probably isn't worth 6 seconds improvement ok nevermind.

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got a 5950 on a b450, so you should do well with 550 or better chipset
 
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Msi B550 a-pro should be fine HOW ever temps on a 5900x is super hot when gaming,doing normal multitasking, so get something like a Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE or a big aio

The new noctua nh-d15 g2 is good but as expensive a 2 artic freezer III aios with each 3 fans
 
@blueturtle
you seem to be in conus/N.A., so why not look at microcenter? have yet to see where others beat them in price, especially since they give you bundle deals if you buy cpu+mb,
sometimes even discount on the ram if you purchased all 3 together.

going am4 would only make sense if you have a "good" corsair kit with b-die or equivalent, as most 3200 kits cant do more than just that, but the sweet spot for am4 and 5000 series
is 3600, so IF runs 1:1 (1800 mhz).

MC bundle


@gasolin
doesnt have to be big, 240/280s are enough.
and i would rather get a 240 with G1/4 and copper rad (Eisbaer), than some 360/420 from others.
 
70C is no problem when gaming or multitasking if you want it to be silent, and that is only a 5900x

You won't be able to cool it good if you don't use the best you can afford, why wouldn't you when you have a 5950x ?
 
nope
you dont need to cool it as good as possible, only to the point so there is no throttling (stock) boost clocks, unless you want to make use of pbo, and according to OP no ocing, so...

on ryzen going with much larger than 280 is not gonna matter much.
besides, at idle/low loads, most 360/420 are louder, and even under load, the freezer 2 (240) is about 78-79*C, while 360/mk III 420 do 76-77*C, but are heavily reducing the amount of non-large cases to choose from, where i can top/side mount the rad.

the Eisbaer 240/280 would not only have a copper rad, but uses G1/4 connections, and allow you to repair/upgrade, instead of throwing away any (sealed) aio, even one of the best (value) aio like arctic.
so again, overall the smaller aio would be hotter, but offer more cases to select from while offering reuse in the future (eg. socket change).
 
Waldorf said:
@gasolin
doesnt have to be big, 240/280s are enough.
and i would rather get a 240 with G1/4 and copper rad (Eisbaer), than some 360/420 from others.
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I would agree 240/280 would be enough even for a 5950x. I run my other 5950x cooled by an original 240 H100i because I didn't have another air cooler on hand to use. Other than noise under a 1hr full core workload with liquid temps 45c and high fan speed it works perfectly fine.

The advantage with bigger rads is more surface area for dissipation allowing you to run hotter liquid with lower fan RPM if you value quietness over temperature.
 
yeah, but only because they use cheap alu rads. main reason to use water for cooling is for transfer capability/noise, all better with copper (rad),
ignoring the Nexxus is thicker than most aio as well optimized for low rpm, not the case with most aio, or you are paying same/more than the eisbaer (non-LT).

i mean im not saying what ppl should or shouldnt get, but unless ppl state they have a full tower or plan for that kind of size, i limit recommendations to 280,
as not much improves, if at all.

quick check:
generic (any brand/size/look; no psu) search on pcpartpicker: +6000
that can fit a 280? +2000.
cases that can fit a 360? +300
those good for 420? +30

so yeah, artificial limitations on case options, so my cpu can run 76*C vs 78*C, not making any sense to me.
 
What you're saying all makes sense.
 
blueturtle said:
As long as I get 4 stata's(4 3.5 hdd's raid10) and 2-4 M2 slots, the only card slot i use is a single GPU.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X670E Steel Legend/index.asp

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x670e...13-162-070&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options
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As much as I dislike ASRock's motherboards, I just did a budget AM5 7500F build using an ASRock mother board, that I would recommend it as it is working falsely for me.

The build parts....
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Aqua Elite V3 66.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($93.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($35.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($105.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $430.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-01 11:23 EDT-0400

The ASRock B650M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard will handle the 9950X as long as you do not want to push with a heavy overclock or over volt. Hardware Unboxed even likes the board as well and it has 3 NVME slots too boot.
 
Of course a 280mm will be enough for a 5900/5950X at 140-150W. I had one but change it because had 6.5y of work. I could hear it some times, nothing too loud.

Now I have a 420mm ALF-ÎI and that thing is silent even on 100% rpm (pump/fans). at 40-50% CPU temps are a couple of C better.
 
just did some pbo testing with 200 ppt/power package, 170 tdc 180 edc, and even with the gpu under load, temps still dont go past 75C with a 280 rad, so not really an issue even if you push it past that.
 
A Computer Guy said:
I would agree 240/280 would be enough even for a 5950x.
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Waldorf said:
just did some pbo testing with 200 ppt/power package, 170 tdc 180 edc, and even with the gpu under load, temps still dont go past 75C with a 280 rad, so not really an issue even if you push it past that.
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I ran my potato 5950X at 250W PPT (its cap), cooled by a be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 for a while. Worked perfectly fine in a well ventilated case, running lengthy tasks in UE4 and DaVinci Resolve. Admittedly, it couldn't be considered quiet.

Keep in mind that the R9 5950X at its default PPT of 142W always feels a bit knee-capped. From my tests with both my potato and my average 5950X, their sweet spot of efficiency and performance seems to be somewhere between 160W and 180W PPT.
Nowadays, I got both my 5950x's cooled by Arctic's LF-II 240 with an upgrade to Noctua's NF-P12-redux fans at 180W PPT. The case fans are more noticeable than the AIO.
 
nice.
mine seems not the the best from the Silicon lottery and likes some juice but its already enough gains im ok, and part of the reason my temps are a little higher, as i throttle all fans till cpu hits 65, as i prefer inaudible and the case sits 2ft away on the desk.
might go with the BB fans from artic this time, seem to be less prone to getting louder after 1-2y of use (bearing picks up dust).
 
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