RX 7900XTX game crashes suddenly

[Dr. Dro]

Daisy chaining is simply not an issue with single rail power supplies.

Not with the PSU, but perhaps with the cable itself. I always ran individual cables on my older cards. Good thing 12VHPWR corrected that problem overall.

 

[wNotyarD]

I would start by rewiring that card, run 3 power cables to your power supply instead of daisy chaining

That MSI PSU, by manual, mandates using the 8-pin->8-pin and the 12VHPWR->2x 8-pin to feed 3x 8-pin. So daisy chaining is a must.

 

[Vya Domus]

Not with the PSU, but perhaps with the cable itself. I always ran individual cables on my older cards.

But in almost all cases if a card needs 3x8pin you have to daisy chain at least 1 cable anyway, very few PSUs (if any) come with three 2x8pin cables.

 

[Dr. Dro]

But in almost all cases if a card needs 3x8pin you have to daisy chain at least 1 cable anyway, very few PSUs (if any) come with three 2x8pin cables.

That's why you buy a high capacity power supply suitable for the power-guzzling monster inside your case

These aftermarket triple input 7900 XTX models can pull as much if not more power and current than a 4090

That MSI PSU, by manual, mandates using the 8-pin->8-pin and the 12VHPWR->2x 8-pin to feed 3x 8-pin. So daisy chaining is a must.

Sucks, but still less than ideal IMO

 

[Zazigalka]

cap the fps to reduce power draw. if the game still crashes if gpu uses 150w, it's not the power supply or the cables, but rather the card itself.
I've had plenty of amd->nvidia->amd->nvidia swaps on the same OS w/o fresh reinstall and never any issues, so I don't think that's the reason for the CTDs.

 

[Vya Domus]

That's why you buy a high capacity power supply suitable for the power-guzzling monster inside your case

These aftermarket triple input 7900 XTX models can pull as much if not more power and current than a 4090

You don't get it, even high wattage PSUs do not usually give you 3 separate PCIe cables because it's not needed, it's absurd to run a 3x8Pin card from three separate cables. You do realize that by using 3 instead of 2 cables you actually increase the odds of something not working correctly because of a cable, right ?

 

[Dr. Dro]

You don't get it, even high wattage PSUs do not usually give you 3 separate PCIe cables because it's not needed, it's absurd to run a 3x8Pin card from three separate cables. You do realize that by using 3 instead of 2 cables that you actually increase the odds of something not working correctly because of a cable, right ?

Maybe nowadays since you're kind of expected to have a 12VHPWR cable if you are running a high power card, but it wasn't too long ago the PSUs from Corsair and EVGA both did come with such cables - and they are also available aftermarket, anyway it could very well not be the power supply, just saying I don't particularly like the way it's wired

 

[ViperXZ]

I’m not reading everything, so if no one mentioned do bios update, I read a few times that it could fix these problems.

 

[Zach_01]

That's why you buy a high capacity power supply suitable for the power-guzzling monster inside your case

These aftermarket triple input 7900 XTX models can pull as much if not more power and current than a 4090



Sucks, but still less than ideal IMO

My Nitro+ 7900XTX has 3x8pin and powered by 2 cables. Both cables are 2x6+2.
So 1 of them is daisy-chained to 2 out of 3 8pins.

My PSU is ATX v2.4 HX750i corsair unit.
I've test the card up to 420W (466W max) and the PSU was doing just fine.
Total PSU output power was by avg around 600W and peaked at 700W. (has self reporting through corsair link to HWiNFO64)

OP has a Pulse 7900XTX that AFAIK was a max power draw around 420W with +15% from adrenalin
AMD reference 7900XTX is 355W.
nVidia reference 4090 is 450W and can go up to 600W on AIB.

The Nitro+ and I think a couple more are 460~466W cards. Only one liquid AIB is up to 520~530W and only with extreme BIOS version.

 

[Dr. Dro]

My PSU is ATX v2.4 HX750i corsair unit.
I've test the card up to 420W (466W max) and the PSU was doing just fine.
Total PSU output power was by avg around 600W and peaked at 700W. (has self reporting through corsair link to HWiNFO64

That is the very least I expect out of such a high quality power supply

 

[Zach_01]

At some point we will need some feedback from OP @ColonelKurtz to everything discussed so far...

 

[faye]

As usual people on this forum have this weird obsession with blaming everything on PSUs.

You cannot mix and match EPS and PCIe, they have differently shaped connectors.

PSU issues do not crash games back to desktop, they crash the entire system = PC shuts down, OP is getting driver errors clearly indicating something to do with the GPU.

I'd return/RMA the GPU.

I'd agree with that if I hadn't dealt with this exact situation with my own 7900 XTX. CTD, usually just the video driver crashing. Blamed the card, blamed RAM, even moved to a different CPU and motherboard... Finally replaced the PSU with a modern 1000w ATX 3.1 unit (previous was an older 1000w, also tried a new 850w that /should/ have been plenty) and everything worked fine. No issues since.

These cards pull crazy high transient loads, that's all I can figure, because the reported numbers are much lower, and it's these effectively invisible spikes that throw lesser PSUs off.

 

[Ferrum Master]

So to be fair... people that think PSU cannot cause electronics system instability, bad clocking, cause unneeded compensation process, voltage drift are simply just delusional and bad at electronics.

Shitty return path can cause myriad of problems. What it is it? Shortest path, electricity likes to seek always, sometimes through you, how to get it? With closest impedance to zero. How to fu*k it? Daisy chain your wires, then the shortest path may be through your case screw and motherboard stand off or motherboard PCIe connector, not the cables, causing a random unpredictable behavior. It is a simple electric rule. It is mother nature... don't try to fight it. I even cut off my leftover pigtails from my PSU... my PSU is nearly 10 years old, but I have 3 independent power lines for PCIe device going into the PSU... and I can have 4, because SLI/CFX was a thing then. Pick your goods damn properly it is not something unnatural to do, actually you have to do it, especially for card that eats around 500W.

 

[ColonelKurtz]

Thanks for your comments guys, but I've lost weight stressing for the last 20 days because of this. I couldn't do it anymore and bought an MSI RTX 4080Super Trio X Gaming. I've never had a crash or power problem in games when I had an NVIDIA graphics card. I've checked the cables many times, but I'm sure I plugged them in correctly. AMD Radeon is finished for me. But I love Ryzen tho.

 

[Zach_01]

...But I love Ryzen tho.

Just curious...
Do you have any PBO, CurveOptimizer, Boost Override settings other than the default which are all disabled?

 

[ColonelKurtz]

Just curious...
Do you have any PBO, CurveOptimizer, Boost Override settings other than the default which are all disabled?

Everything was default since day one. I just change fan curves thats all and funny thing is when I turn off my pc Adrenaline resetting itself I keep adjusting my fan curves. Only thing overclocking on my mobo is my RAM just XMP ON but I test it and 0 failure already.

 

[Zach_01]

Everything was default since day one. I just change fan curves thats all and funny thing is when I turn off my pc Adrenaline resetting itself I keep adjusting my fan curves. Only thing overclocking on my mobo is my RAM just XMP ON but I test it and 0 failure already.

I see thanks for clarification.
I did see on your first post that you did try XPM On/Off...

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Adrenalin is resetting every time you turn the PC off?
With out any obvious crash? Super weird...

 

[Zazigalka]

is the new card stable ?

 

[ColonelKurtz]

is the new card stable ?

Yes I test it it's stable.

 

[ViperXZ]

These cards pull crazy high transient loads

No they don’t, this was tested in reviews on many sites including TPU, and 4000/7000 gen have fixed this issue, so the spikes are even less now than before, meaning, the cards are more stable. I bet your older PSU was simply not up to the task anymore, because 1000W are easily easily enough for a XTX, I currently use a far weaker older PSU with my 4090 and 0 problems. It’s not about the wattage or transients or spikes with the new GPUs, it’s about whether your PSU is still fine or over the hill.

AMD Radeon is finished for me.

These kinds of generalisations without knowing what really happened are never good.

 

[faye]

No they don’t, this was tested in reviews on many sites including TPU, and 4000/7000 gen have fixed this issue, so the spikes are even less now than before, meaning, the cards are more stable. I bet your older PSU was simply not up to the task anymore, because 1000W are easily easily enough for a XTX, I currently use a far weaker older PSU with my 4090 and 0 problems. It’s not about the wattage or transients or spikes with the new GPUs, it’s about whether your PSU is still fine or over the hill.

Then you'd agree the brand new 850w Lian Li I replaced the original 1kw with should have been enough. It wasn't. The 1kw Silverstone has been, though.

 

[ViperXZ]

Then you'd agree the brand new 850w Lian Li I replaced the original 1kw with should have been enough. It wasn't. The 1kw Silverstone has been, though.

The issue always is quality with PSUs, I don’t know this 850W LianLi - speaking from wattage alone, which is just a part of the PSU, of course it would be enough, easily so. I currently use a 650W PSU with my 4090, never had a single problem. Wattage is fine, but quality is perhaps even more important with PSUs. Consoles for example use a PSU that is at the lowest spec of wattage, barely any head room for what the console needs, but the thing is, these console PSUs have high quality, that’s why it works. It’s a good example, because they are barely above the power spec of the console, to prove that quality is very important.

 

[ColonelKurtz]

These kinds of generalisations without knowing what really happened are never good.

I saw it with my own eyes. Games were crashing and there was an instability. Graphics were loading slowly, there were fps drops (nothing to do with bottleneck). I am using RTX 4080 Super right now. No crashes, no slow load, no fps drops. Everything is stable. I want you to know that I didn't come here to badmouth AMD Radeon. I just couldn't handle it with those instability because I was NVIDIA user over 15 year no problems 15 year imagine. I want you to know that I talked to 1000 people almost about this problem and did everything they said but nothing happened crashes after crashes. Maybe there is a problem with the card, I don't know, I'll put it aside for now when I need to sell it, I'll sell it later or send RMA. Thanks people.

 

[Vya Domus]

This sounds like a troll post TBH, OP comes with a problem and then literally the same day apparently buys a new GPU and confirms everything works fine "AMD never again blah blah.

 

[ColonelKurtz]

This sounds like a troll post TBH, OP comes with a problem and then literally the same day apparently buys a new GPU and confirms everything works fine "AMD never again blah blah.

Stability blah blah PSU 1000W is not enough blah blah wrong cable plugged blah blah