Anyone with true HDDs still around here?

[Tomgang]

Yup have 4 HDD in my dual system, but only used for storage. To slow for daily work. So OS and games is SSD only. I was an early adopter of SSD with my first ssd back in 2011 with 64 GB for OS.

For hdd i have 68 TB of kapacity of total 83 TB in my systems. The rest is shared between sata and NVMe ssd´s.

So i have these 4 hdd´s in use for my dual system.

2 x WD red pro 16 tb
1 x WD Gold enter-price 14 tb
1 x WD Ultrastar 22 TB

However i will be completely hornest. If we ever comes to a point where SSD can compete with HDD on price vs. storage capacity. HDD will be a thing of the past for me. HDD are still slow and noisy compared to SSD. The only use i have for HDD in these days are storage.

 

[Ruru]

2TB in an enclosure as my warehouse. Shows yellow, still not worried...

 

[agent_x007]

2TB in an enclosure as my warehouse. Shows yellow, still not worried...

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[lexluthermiester]

2TB in an enclosure as my warehouse. Shows yellow, still not worried...

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If that's the only warning, you're fine. If it were Reallocated Sectors or Reallocation Events, you'd want to replace it.

 

[Steevo]

Have one, but it's for storing stuff I only need once in a while only, or just backup. a 5400rpm seahawk 2tb, nice and quiet. Rest is on ssds. I wouldn't trust hdd's to use them as main drives, most of ones I've owned failed after about 5-6 years. ssd failures are less frequent, especially when you use them for reads not writes mostly. I think the weakest point is the OS drive, that's why I decided to go with a smaller one but bought MLC instead.

HDDs will outlast flash storage

 

[Ruru]

If that's the only warning, you're fine. If it were Reallocated Sectors or Reallocation Events, you'd want to replace it.

To be honest, I don't worry about that... should make a backup on my music folder though. I have few spare 250GB HDDs..

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What does that do

 

[Dr. Dro]

I own 6 300 GB, 10000rpm VelociRaptors

Does that count?

 

[lexluthermiester]

HDDs will outlast flash storage

Some might!

should make a backup on my music folder though.

Um, yes! Do that ASAP!

I own 6 300 GB, 10000rpm VelociRaptors

Does that count?

Yes it does. Also, are you doing a RAID array? If not, were they?

 

[Macro Device]

Hard to find a person roughly my age who doesn't own an HDD. I also have a couple at home. Nothing special, just cheap <=1 TB drives. They do their thing and that's what matters.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yes it does. Also, are you doing a RAID array? If not, were they?

Nope, just ran them individually. They're not on my rig right now because the case only fits one, installed a 4 TB Red Plus in it instead. I like to change cases every now and then so I expect them to be in service again soon

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nope, just ran them individually. They're not on my rig right now because the case only fits one, installed a 4 TB Red Plus in it instead. I like to change cases every now and then so I expect them to be in service again soon

Nice. They should still perform well enough to be useful.

 

[Solaris17]

Gotta tell you, that is hard-core!

My wallet thought so this thread is just about the HDDs. All of those arrays from NAS, SAN, to the cluster are part of tiered storage, so there is an array of SSD cache above them taking the I/O load before bleeding the data off.

Thats just the storage arrays. The OSs are all on nvme.

 

[Ruru]

Um, yes! Do that ASAP!

I promise that I'll grab that spare Samsung 2.5" 250GB drive and backup my music folder tomorrow

Hard to find a person roughly my age who doesn't own an HDD. I also have a couple at home. Nothing special, just cheap <=1 TB drives. They do their thing and that's what matters.

Consoles have those at least, I'm 34. My PS3 is my only console to run with a SSD

 

[yfn_ratchet]

I have a dinky little Toshiba unit that I use as my caching drive and for secondary language model storage, ones I keep tucked away for if I want to give them another swing. It does its job pretty well, and keeps my VRChat loading times a lot more consistent than the 20GB cache you cycle through hopping three publics. I'm sure my OS drive is a lot happier with that load off its back, too.

There's also a small family of those cute little 2.5" enclosures Seagate makes scattered throughout the house, I have a silver one that holds an ISO of my laptop's old Windows install and some other stuff.

 

[micropage7]

i'm using 4x4Tb and i'm gonna add another 4Tb

 

[JWNoctis]

An 8TB CMR WD Blue, and a 200GB Seagate Momentus 7200.2 from an old 2008 laptop and the old horror days of minute-long loading times and Intel Turbo Memory, plugged in just for fun.

It was pretty good for a laptop drive back in the day, had about 15,000 hours on it, and only a few reallocated sectors from what was presumably a bump, which did not grow after three rewrites from a stress-test run. Not that made it any more reliable, given its age and how there is actually some nasty oxidation on the PCB, from what was probably my own decade-old fingerprints.

It does sound much better than the throated rattle of the 8TB drive though.

 

[Zazigalka]

HDDs will outlast flash storage

Then why are all my previous HDDs dead after 5-6 years when three 850 Pro's I got in 2015 are going to be 10 yo soon and work perfectly ?
I have nothing against HDDs, they're very useful for backups and data storage, but not as reliable. Unless you mean some server dedicated HDDs, then yes. I guess you need a good SSD to last you a decade or more too, so it's always down to the quality of the drive you're buying, be it HDD or SSD. Crappy HDD will fail faster than a cheapo SSD though.

 

[DaemonForce]

Then why are all my previous HDDs dead after 5-6 years

You're definitely doing something wrong. Server side will always have hiccups and hot spares but I run a bunch of consumer desktops as servers and the usual max for these HDDs is 13 years or 100K hours, whichever comes first. You usually start picking up warnings around the 8yr mark unless you have WD Reds. Those things will flag themselves after 3 years or something.

 

[Zazigalka]

You're definitely doing something wrong.

like what ? what am I doing wrong ? before I went with dedicated ssd for OS, most of my HDDs lasted no more than 5 years before developing issues.

 

[DaemonForce]

We don't know. Do you use anything that minimizes chassis vibration?
Are the drives operating in an ordinary horizontal or upright position?
Do the drives get proper airflow? One of the fail cues is a very slow and steady climb to HOT idle temps.
How about power management? Do they power down sometimes, have the WD Green Intellipark nonsense or do they run steady 24/7?
Like there's all kinds of things that can go wrong with HDDs. When shipping them around to wherever they're marked FRAGILE for a reason.

 

[Zazigalka]

We don't know. Do you use anything that minimizes chassis vibration?
Are the drives operating in an ordinary horizontal or upright position?
Do the drives get proper airflow? One of the fail cues is a very slow and steady climb to HOT idle temps.
How about power management? Do they power down sometimes, have the WD Green Intellipark nonsense or do they run steady 24/7?
Like there's all kinds of things that can go wrong with HDDs. When shipping them around to wherever they're marked FRAGILE for a reason.

Yes, everything is set up correctly. drive parking was minimized in power settings. None were WD Green crap.

 

[Ruru]

Yes, everything is set up correctly. drive parking was minimized in power settings. None were WD Green crap.

Greens have worked fine for me

Still have one working 500GB one on my 2nd PC which I took from enclosure, it was my dead godfather's media drive back in the day.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Greens have worked fine for me

Still have one working 500GB one on my 2nd PC which I took from enclosure, it was my dead godfather's media drive back in the day.

I never had any problems with the Green line either. Granted, I've only seen a few of them, but only once was one dead.

 

[Ruru]

I never had any problems with the Green line either. Granted, I've seen a few of them, but only once was one dead.

WD is in overall my favourite HDD manufacturer. Too bad that Samsung quit, I have a 160GB Spinpoint which still works like new

 

[DaemonForce]

Some WD Greens just had abysmal failure rates.
The ones I remember were the *EARS lineup.
I think *EARX was in there too but these were 1TB and 2TB models, so 500GB drives might have been spared.
The biggest issue with them was Intellipark that would aggressively timeout and repark the head every few minutes, leading to wear.
They were basically the kind of disk you'd want in non-RAID jobs and keep them as nearline/offline backup media.
24/7 duty even when disabling parking didn't save these from going bad.
I kept mine in the rack when it housed the Pentium 4. The sector test looks like a round of Space Invaders.