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general questions about MB/brands

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so needing a mb that gives me more then my current pos B550m mb which has 1 slot 16x the other 4x and I will need a pcie riser extension to even use it. . I downloaded the manual and cant see if its mentioned how many pcie lanes are there for using both slots, or all 3/4 etc
is it in the manual where it says it'?

regarding brands im guessing the 4 "major" brands are asus jigabutt msi asrock? it used to be that asus was considered best then giga then msi and asrock abit was in the back picking up crumbs. I have never purchased msi or asrock. what are there weaknesses vs asus/giga?

regarding sound. at what price point do they start including optical out for higher quality audio?

there is a giga board thats has 5 pcie slots...why?

 
Abit, picking up crumbs? Those where some great boards!

What about BFG? Don't think they make boards anymore.
 
Abit, picking up crumbs? Those where some great boards!

What about BFG? Don't think they make boards anymore.
ah right abit and asus were leading at that time. cant remember bfg. also mushkin memory were wow then. you had jumper pins you had to move over hahaha my memory is so bad after my bike accidents.
 
ah right abit and asus were leading at that time. cant remember bfg. also mushkin memory were wow then. you had jumper pins you had to move over hahaha my memory is so bad after my bike accidents.
Then you can add DFI to that list :)
 
Even Soyo made good stuff at one time. I had a Dragon for my P3 Coppermine, great board.
 
there is a giga board thats has 5 pcie slots...why?

Mining?
so needing a mb that gives me more then my current pos B550m [...]
Any reason for the mATX motherboard? It stands to reason that they lack expansion slots due to the form factor. Doesn't mean any ATX will have them slots, though.
 
I was hesitant like OP about Asrock, but went ahead with one in my upgrade last year (X670E PG Lighting w/ 7950X3D).

It's been rock solid for the 1.5yr I've had it so far.

The only difficulty I encountered was during initial setup it took some fiddling to get my memory settings completely stable, but as far as I can tell, that's more an AM5 / DDR5 thing rather than this specific mb.

there is a giga board thats has 5 pcie slots...why?
Flexibility. Some of us prefer to decide for ourselves what our pcie lanes are used for, rather than having them forcibly dedicated to extraneous m.2 slots or the likes of usb4.

This is one of the reasons I chose the mb I did, it came w/ 4 slots I could use for whatever I wanted. I'm currently using one w/ a u.2 adapter card holding an optane drive, it would have been far more awkward to mount the drive using the m.2 adapter cable it came with. I also have sufficient slots and lanes to upgrade to 10gb ethernet later on, should I wish to.
 
You could always look at how many layers the PCB has. A lot of lower end boards are using 4 layers. My Z790 TUF is 6 layers and an Asus Apex is 8 Layers.

OP's board says something about additional Audio layers, but I feel this is marketing. It may be trying to say uses more than 1 layer of the 4. B550 UD AC.
 
so needing a mb that gives me more then my current pos B550m mb which has 1 slot 16x the other 4x and I will need a pcie riser extension to even use it. . I downloaded the manual and cant see if its mentioned how many pcie lanes are there for using both slots, or all 3/4 etc
is it in the manual where it says it'?

All of that stuff is usually in the specs page, as is what you can use at the same time. As in if you have a SSD in the M2_3 you'll loose PCIe_3 or whatever, which is the thing you really have to read up on. That is what really bugs me about motherboards now. Just because a board has 6 SATA ports, 2 M2 slots and 4 PCIe slots it does not mean I can use them.
 
You don't say why you need more pcie slots or what for, that would help, you also mention audio, a sound card would give you optical out without having to buy a brand new motherboard, without knowing what you want to use extra pcie slots for is kinda the blind leading the blind
 
@inquisitor1
from what i have used for my builds, and for customers, Gb tends to have "less" vs what others offered in the same price range, at least in the past, and after having a +300$ x570, never again (for me).

asus seemed good on hw side (couple friends only use that brand) but i never liked their bios layout on x570 boards.

used almost 10 msi, and even the lower tier were fine for avg user trying to not spend much.

for me, ill probably stay with msi mb for now, but then again the MEGs are their top boards.

@JoeTheDestroyer
i have six m.2 plus four pcie slots, and no limits on how/what i use, because i can switch stuff in bios, and not much to do with how many of each ports the mb has.
 
Speaking for AM4. I would say that MSI provided the best overall experience. As Rock are something I have used for what they gave you vs what you paid. Even boards like the X399 Challenger showed that they would try to distinguish themselves. One of the fastest boards I had was a Gigabyte X470 Gaming 7 but that board had real Gremlins. Asus were great on the high end and you only bought a Prime board if you did not know better. One board that was inexpensive and great was the As Rock X470 Master/SLI. The Apex of AM4 boards were X570S though. In that MSI shined with the X570S Ace Max and before that X570 Unify. Actually MSI had the best X570 boards period across a wide price range. One of the best boards for AM4 was not even X570 but B550. The Asus B550XE is an example of what happens when they try. A nice innovation on only As Rock boards as of the Riptide and Lightining lineup on X570/B550 is that the HDMI port on the board supports 120hz. Now on AM5 all As Rock boards support 120hz. Where does that matter? If you are building a HTPC using an APU like the 5600G. Then using a 4K 120hz TV that supports VRR and you are getting much better Freesync support range vs 60. Of course everything is math so that 4K TV will support 1080P. Now because the MB HDMI port is running at 120Hz, you will also get 120hz support at 1080p. Modern GPUs do not like to play with 60hz if the panel is faster. I wish TPU would do a performance test on that vs all the other board makers that only support 60hz. I am sorry for turning my post into hz but if you doubt what I am saying play the Division 2 at 60Hz and try a headshot with the Machine Gun. You will see the screen shake everywhere. Then set it to 120hz and use a scope to make headshots using the machine Gun.
 
@kapone32
as long as you have vrr, gsyn+vsync enabled and cap framrate to 57, its fine, as i did a shooter looking at the difference between running 2k/4k @60&120, and numbers were something like 3-4 vs 7ish ms.

im traveling, so cant repeat to get more accurate nbrs.
 
Mining?

Any reason for the mATX motherboard? It stands to reason that they lack expansion slots due to the form factor. Doesn't mean any ATX will have them slots, though.
I was gathering all the parts at once on a small budget and said "ah, itll support 5950x, eh, this is enough" but I see it isnt. the 2nd nvme is under the gpu and the gpu is really up against the last slot so if I can slip a riser card in, itd be touching the gpu fan shroud. I prefer atx but this is what i could get

also makes no sense the names for boards. mini is the smaller size then my b550m and micro is my size mb but in real life micro means smaller then mini. its as if they made it up as they went along

Mining?

Any reason for the mATX motherboard? It stands to reason that they lack expansion slots due to the form factor. Doesn't mean any ATX will have them slots, though.
how mining? each card today is at least 2 card slots so why the spacing is so weird?

All of that stuff is usually in the specs page, as is what you can use at the same time. As in if you have a SSD in the M2_3 you'll loose PCIe_3 or whatever, which is the thing you really have to read up on. That is what really bugs me about motherboards now. Just because a board has 6 SATA ports, 2 M2 slots and 4 PCIe slots it does not mean I can use them.
there is a total amount of lanes to a mb? and I have to use by priority for myself?

meaning if I want 2 gpu 2 nvme and perhaps a sound card AND usb riser card, then something will take a hit or I wont be able to use them all?

im trying to understand how it works and how to "budget" the lanes. im not certain ill go with this, maybe go with x570
but heres the specs. can someone decipher it? if I want to run 2 gpu, 1 riser usb c card and a sound card, 2 nvme and 1hdd, im guessing speeds will be in the toilet?

You don't say why you need more pcie slots or what for, that would help, you also mention audio, a sound card would give you optical out without having to buy a brand new motherboard, without knowing what you want to use extra pcie slots for is kinda the blind leading the blind
yes youre right.

I am considering but not certain yet, depends if I can find 1 or 2 gpu at the prices I have limited myself to. so 2 gpu, a sound card, a riser usb c, 2 nvme, 1 sata HDD.

I think perhaps an x570 may be able to give more. but im with all these components added im certain speeds would be down the drain

how much would a decent audio card cost? $50?

why are they able to add decent to good (not great) audio in the MB vs pci cards I see for TONS of money. ive never connected to a mb audio and said, hmm this is absolutely shet and need to get a sound card. it does the job and for sure no audiophile card, but good enough.

@inquisitor1
from what i have used for my builds, and for customers, Gb tends to have "less" vs what others offered in the same price range, at least in the past, and after having a +300$ x570, never again (for me).

asus seemed good on hw side (couple friends only use that brand) but i never liked their bios layout on x570 boards.

used almost 10 msi, and even the lower tier were fine for avg user trying to not spend much.

for me, ill probably stay with msi mb for now, but then again the MEGs are their top boards.

@JoeTheDestroyer
i have six m.2 plus four pcie slots, and no limits on how/what i use, because i can switch stuff in bios, and not much to do with how many of each ports the mb has.
ok Thank you Waldor, fwill give msi a look. not sold on asrock and I vowed years back I would not buy asus again. so ill look at msi and see whats even available for order on amazon. I appreciate the help
I was hesitant like OP about Asrock, but went ahead with one in my upgrade last year (X670E PG Lighting w/ 7950X3D).

It's been rock solid for the 1.5yr I've had it so far.

The only difficulty I encountered was during initial setup it took some fiddling to get my memory settings completely stable, but as far as I can tell, that's more an AM5 / DDR5 thing rather than this specific mb.


Flexibility. Some of us prefer to decide for ourselves what our pcie lanes are used for, rather than having them forcibly dedicated to extraneous m.2 slots or the likes of usb4.

This is one of the reasons I chose the mb I did, it came w/ 4 slots I could use for whatever I wanted. I'm currently using one w/ a u.2 adapter card holding an optane drive, it would have been far more awkward to mount the drive using the m.2 adapter cable it came with. I also have sufficient slots and lanes to upgrade to 10gb ethernet later on, should I wish to.
I wasnt asking like im upset but really scratching my head. the spacing seems so odd and random.
 

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also makes no sense the names for boards. mini is the smaller size then my b550m and micro is my size mb but in real life micro means smaller then mini. its as if they made it up as they went along
A small misconception here. Micro-ATX is a small ATX, you got that correct. The one commonly using "mini" is Mini-ITX (not ATX). There's also Mini-DTX and DTX (both bigger than Mini-ITX and smaller than Micro-ATX), although those aren't common.
Every form factor standard is something someone made up for whatever reason at a given time, and stuck with the market.

how mining? each card today is at least 2 card slots so why the spacing is so weird?
I thought of risers, but that was just a wild guess from my part.
 
thanks for assist. I always had regular atx. im not used to to this micro atx. its limiting in expanding/adding things

next board going back to regular atx. will try to go x570


cheers
 
ASrock has an mATX x570 board (X570M Pro4). Not really a fancy board, but perfectly capable. I used several for some pretty beefy compact builds.
 
You can't talk about good or bad brands because all of them have good and bad models.

I usually go with Asus because their TUF series is the best balance between quality and price. But they botched voltage control on their AM5 series which fried a few CPUs and the whole internet was upset for a few days (it has been fixed with BIOS updates since). It didn't affect me because I have an MSi Pro now, which is an equally nice board.

So if you have a question about specific models, then shoot. :)
In general, I'd go for a robust VRM with a massive heatsink on it, and adequate expansion options.
 
@inquisitor1
short of having a xx90 chip, a 2nd gpu make no sense for gaming, the next tier up as single gpu will be faster, and have less problems with tearing/sync etc, not even talking about airflow/temps.
 
@inquisitor1
short of having a xx90 chip, a 2nd gpu make no sense for gaming, the next tier up as single gpu will be faster, and have less problems with tearing/sync etc, not even talking about airflow/temps.
yea I get it. I dont care much about gaming today. its for davinci resolve editing. I am a pathetic "gamer" by a gamer standard. im happy with only 60fps im playing old games. have 0% interest in RT/dlss. I play 1440 btw. I dont even see any new game that has caught my eye. im the problem not the games

so im looking to find a 3090 to hold me for 3-5 years. I was looking for the 3080 and come to realize 10gb is limiting with 4k multi cam heavy edits. 12gb variant/ti dont interest me. so no choice but 3090. dont care for 40 cards. 0% interest. 4070ti sells for 40-90% over 3090 used is the only reasnable option. paired with 5950x. if I get the 3090 used I dont have to upgrade my garbage motherboard. 2 turing cards I will need to.

resolve does does accept multi gpu, not sli.
 
there is a total amount of lanes to a mb? and I have to use by priority for myself?

meaning if I want 2 gpu 2 nvme and perhaps a sound card AND usb riser card, then something will take a hit or I wont be able to use them all?

im trying to understand how it works and how to "budget" the lanes. im not certain ill go with this, maybe go with x570
but heres the specs. can someone decipher it? if I want to run 2 gpu, 1 riser usb c card and a sound card, 2 nvme and 1hdd, im guessing speeds will be in the toilet?

Some lanes will be disabled. The X-motherboards are much better at it than the lower end boards, so you should be fine, but you still have to read the specs. Just a random MSI x570 motherboard has this:

  • 1x PCIe 4.0/3.0 x16 slot (PCI_E1)
    • 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen™ support PCIe 4.0 x16 mode
    • 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ support PCIe 3.0x16 mode
    • Ryzen™ 4000 G-Series support PCIe 3.0x16/x0/x0, x8/x0/x8, x8/x4/x4 mode
    • Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega Graphics and 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Graphics support PCIe 3.0 x8 mode
  • 1x PCIe 4.0/ 3.0 x16 slot (PCI_E3, supports x4 mode)
  • 3x PCIe 3.0 x1 slots*
    • *PCI_E2 will be unavailable when installing the PCIe card in PCI_E4 slot.

Meaning you can't use all PCIe slots, but storage is unaffected. Some boards disable SATA slots when using all M2 slots, some disable PCIe slots when using all M2 slots. It's entirely up to the motherboard manufacturer.
 
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thanks so much for the help. great info @Frick @Waldorf

if I cant find a used 3090 ill be set. 2nd slot on mb is only 4x when both are used so bummer. when i was looking to build a c last year a guy said without blinking said get the 6600xt. hahahaha. that 6600 doesnt even register on benches. only 6900/7900 make a dent. amd does not do well in resolve. so no choice.

then thought Id get what my friend editor got was 3070 then realized he said the gpu just doesnt move with 4k multicam edits. so looked at 3080, 10gb not enough. so were at the wall with the maxed budget for a idiot newbie learning to video edit with 3090. will upgrade the card later with some cash flow.

let me go check my couch for some pennies
 
I'm currently using an Asrock X570S PG Riptide. So far no issues. It has six PCIe slots and optical audio out. All the PCIe slots should be usable. The two PCIe x16 slots are wired in x4 and x2. It disables two of the sata ports if you add a NVMe drive to the lower M.2 slot. I don't think a Sata M.2 drive will disable those ports, but I don't have one to test it with.

I don't get the slot layout of modern boards. Why put a PCIe x1 below the x16 slot? It's unusable with a GPU installed.
 
it will, if you use both. even on mine, M.2 5/6/last pcie slot share recources, e.g. you cant use all at the same time.
and why would you run a gpu on anything less than x8?
even for non gaming use, i would still get a board that offers one less of something, to get at least x8 on all gpu used slots.
 
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