Gigabyte's X3D Turbo Mode - quick and dirty test

[TheLostSwede]

Edit: This thing https://www.techpowerup.com/327853/...here-to-revolutionize-your-gaming-performance

Installed the beta UEFI on my board and enabled the feature and it's... weird to say the least.
I haven't done a ton of testing, but it seems to boost single-threaded performance, while slowing down multi-threaded performance...

CPU-Z scores 700 with it on around 664 with it off in single-threaded mode.
However, in multi-threaded mode the score drops from 7100 something to 5200 something, which is an insane performance drop and I have no idea why.

Don't take this as a proper test, just a quick and dirty thing I did to see if there was any noticeable difference, which there clearly is.
Yes, the memory timings aren't identical, but it shouldn't really matter that much for the CPU-Z test.

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D @ 4848.99 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[cw5ntm] Validated Dump by Anonymous (2024-10-26 23:07:09) - MB: Gigabyte X670E AORUS MASTER - RAM: 32768 MB

valid.x86.fr

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D @ 4674.28 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[vd5pcl] Validated Dump by OVERLORD-MLI (2024-10-27 00:06:23) - MB: Gigabyte X670E AORUS MASTER - RAM: 32768 MB

valid.x86.fr

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Guess it needs more testing. Cpu-z catching whatever power-state it's in when you sub it.

Do the tests with Benchmate. Hit F6. Will show the details from during the run. Will give you some better clues what's going on.

 

[freeagent]

Can you use the curve shaper? Can you set PPT/TDC/EDC limits above stock?

 

[TheLostSwede]

I wasn't really paying attention to this "warning" the first time around.

It seems like it disables SMT, which would explain the lower performance in the multi-threaded test.

 

[eidairaman1]

Report your findings to gigabyte so they might be able to provide solutions...

 

[freeagent]

Their bios is broken

Edit:

7800X3D my bad..

 

[TheLostSwede]

Report your findings to gigabyte so they might be able to provide solutions...

I think it's supposed to do this, since some games are better without SMT, no?
But Gigabyte really needs to be more clear on what this option does.

 

[freeagent]

I really need to get glasses, a bigger tv, or move my couch closer, I thought you had a 9800X3D

 

[TheLostSwede]

Ok, it seems like you can get 125-175 MHz higher clock speeds per core by enabling this mode, but you lose out the extra performance from SMT in software that can take advantage of SMT.

I really need to get glasses, a bigger tv, or move my couch closer, I thought you had a 9800X3D

Sorry, no, unlikely to get one any time soon as well.
Just wanted to see what this new feature was and it's weird...

 

[freeagent]

Ok, it seems like you can get 125-175 MHz higher clock speeds per core by enabling this mode, but you lose out the extra performance from SMT in software that can take advantage of SMT.


Sorry, no, unlikely to get one any time soon as well.
Just wanted to see what this new feature was and it's weird...

I like when you use the old Zen 2 OC menu on Zen 3 with this board, pushes some clocks way up but dismisses the second CCD. Pretty dumb.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Seems like Asus is implementing something similar.

AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2A brings optimizations for Ryzen 9000X3D and "Turbo" modes - VideoCardz.com

Motherboard vendors preparing for new AMD CPUs, introduce first updates for X3D series AGESA 1.2.0.2a is said to have improved performance for X3D series. We may still be 10 days away from the launch of the new Ryzen 9000X3D series, but this doesn’t mean motherboard vendors are expected to...

videocardz.com

 

[csendesmark]

Seems like Asus is implementing something similar.

AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2A brings optimizations for Ryzen 9000X3D and "Turbo" modes - VideoCardz.com

Motherboard vendors preparing for new AMD CPUs, introduce first updates for X3D series AGESA 1.2.0.2a is said to have improved performance for X3D series. We may still be 10 days away from the launch of the new Ryzen 9000X3D series, but this doesn’t mean motherboard vendors are expected to...

videocardz.com

So it is good for all X670 and X870 variants? oh, I wrote X670 twice

 

[Klemc]

My Asus B650E-E received beta BIOS, it looks to be working for 7800x3d and 650E, if it's gaming only i think it will not match in habitual benchs, needing a special app

 

[csendesmark]

My Asus B650E-E received beta BIOS, it looks to be working for 7800x3d and 650E, if it's gaming only i think it will not match in habitual benchs, needing a special app

I seen my ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI is also got the option for a new beta bios with that supported, but I prefer not to use beta bios and my CPU is not X3D anyway

 

[phxrider]

Running it on Asus B650E-F with 7950X3D, and my quick and dirty test with Far Cry 6 shows a big boost, from 135ish to 150ish with 7900XTX @ 3440x1440 Ultra+all DXR effects on+HD textures. It's essentially matching the 7800X3D I had in this before. I'm sure I'll get around to testing it with the 7800X3D at some point, it already gets 150 with 7900XT @ 1440p.

These numbers are in impromptu play, not the built-in benchmark.

 

[Hardware1906]

I wasn't really paying attention to this "warning" the first time around.

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It seems like it disables SMT, which would explain the lower performance in the multi-threaded test.

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yeah, the purpose of this feature is just disable both SMT and Non X3D CCD in 1 option (save you few extra step)

 

[phxrider]

I did some more screwing around with FC6 on my 7950X3D, this time with the built-in benchmark:

Numbers are avg/max/min. All are with memory set to EXPO1 with Corsair 6000 CL30 RAM, 7900XTX Hellhound at default clocks.

Turbo Game Mode:
135/158/116

Turbo Game Mode + SMT enabled:
128/154/103

16 cores "stock"
132/158/108

16 cores + SMT disabled
130/155/109 - frequent stutters

Game mode was the best, but oddly, 2nd best was just leaving it "stock". Enabling SMT in Turbo Game Mode was the biggest hit, surprisingly... And just disabling SMT but leaving all cores active was a disaster, the FPS was good (although not as good as with SMT on) but it introduced frequent stutters and hiccups.

So bottom line, for absolute best FPS use Turbo Game Mode, but if you're like me and use the computer for work during the day and take an occasional 15 break or play a game on lunch, don't feel like you're losing a ton of performance by just leaving it with all cores and SMT active.

FWIW, I think the difference in actual gameplay is bigger than the benchmark shows - probably why so many of the sites don't use the built-in one when they test it for reviews.

 

[Steevo]

When they make it a in OS option I will use it, but the mix of things..

I used handbrake and made a 24Hz 1260x640 video 30Hz 4K HDR 90 minutes and it only took 35 to do. Once I get a few more fine tuning adjustments done I have a couple TB of older home video to run.


CPU was maxed out, GPU use was 20-30%

 

[phanbuey]

FC6 engine hates SMT disabled, will stutter like crazy since it will start throwing threads across the ccx to the slower non3d cores. If i disable SMT and leave e cores on it's a disaster - works if I disable both though, and gets a nice boost.

 

[rv8000]

I wish performance toggles/settings like this could be done properly at the OS level.

 

[phxrider]

FC6 engine hates SMT disabled, will stutter like crazy since it will start throwing threads across the ccx to the slower non3d cores. If i disable SMT and leave e cores on it's a disaster - works if I disable both though, and gets a nice boost.

Apparently, but it's fine (actually best) if you disable the fast cores on an 7950X3D (CCD1) AND disable SMT (like the turbo mode does). But leaving CCD1 enabled and disabling SMT together was a disaster, for sure. Too bad, I got this 7950X3D as an "upgrade" for my main computer that I use most of the time including work, I didn't really need 16 cores/32 threads but I wanted the faster cores for non-gaming stuff. I could get by with just disabling SMT and leaving it that way if it didn't hose the game up so bad. Kinda weird since disabling hyperthreading has always been a known performance increaser with Dunia games, at least since Intel's Haswell (4th gen) was the latest and greatest.

I wish performance toggles/settings like this could be done properly at the OS level.

This is not possible. The best you can hope for is a Windows app that toggles it on or off in the BIOS, and then prompts you to reboot for it to take effect (I'd really LOVE one of those, though, hint hint Asus).

 

[tanofaca]

hi, here to show my results, 1080p, low settings
results with no x3d turbo

results with x3d turbo

 

[AresDev]

Hey Guys I'm not an expert or anything I just wanted to ask... I have a 7900x3D. Would I benefit at all from this Turbo mode for gaming? I recently updated my B650 motherboard bios and saw the Turbo Mode on setup, I've tried to enable it but the PC didn't even boot, so I need to clear CMOS to restore it.

Thanks!

 

[TheLostSwede]

Hey Guys I'm not an expert or anything I just wanted to ask... I have a 7900x3D. Would I benefit at all from this Turbo mode for gaming? I recently updated my B650 motherboard bios and saw the Turbo Mode on setup, I've tried to enable it but the PC didn't even boot, so I need to clear CMOS to restore it.

Thanks!

It doesn't hurt to try, since it's a simple toggle in the UEFI.
Note that it's not a miracle solution, but it might improve some things in gaming for you, at least in games that doesn't play nice with your CPU or don't like SMT.

 

[Klemc]

It looks like it pushes less the CPU to become HOT, i'll keep it enabled since it's exclusively a gaming PC...

B650E-E 3067 7800X3D

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Oh well, now we need the newest list of =

Games that support/handle multithreaded CPUs (well) and those that don't or badly !!