Upgrade advice please

[oxrufiioxo]

No, one eps cable can supply 300w your cpu will never draw that.

 

[Solaris17]

No, one eps cable can supply 300w your cpu will never draw that.

(looks over at my CPU and gets nervous)

but he is right, don’t trip.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

(looks over at my CPU and gets nervous)

but he is right, don’t trip.

He probably could get close with a 9950X overckocked although I'm not sure most could cool it....

His 7700X I doubt he could even push above 200w and actually cool it.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Often you only need one of the 8-pin. Your user manual confirms on page 48 that you only need to plug one in.

The cpu is made to boost until it hits 95C in loads like that. It's totally normal. Look at the stock result for Blender in TPU's review.

 

[Zach_01]

maybe also my cooler might need upgrading at some point, in cinebench it sitting at 95c and according to cpuz its hitting just over 5ghz boost, is it throttling because of the cooler ?

5GHz when running cinebench all core?
If yes that's fine. The CPU specs is up to 5.4GHz but not for all cores together.

Also its default max power consumption is 142W which should reach at all core loads. Did you turn CPU PBO on?
If its hitting 95C or not depends on room/ambient temp, CPU cooler/fan capability and its actual settings for ramping up and also the PC case ventilation.
Hard to tell if the 95C is normal or not unless we know every detail of your configuration.

 

[xu^]

5GHz when running cinebench all core?
If yes that's fine. The CPU specs is up to 5.4GHz but not for all cores together.

Also its default max power consumption is 142W which should reach at all core loads. Did you turn CPU PBO on?
If its hitting 95C or not depends on room/ambient temp, CPU cooler/fan capability and its actual settings for ramping up and also the PC case ventilation.
Hard to tell if the 95C is normal or not unless we know every detail of your configuration.

yes 5ghz all core, pbo is set to auto atm, is sitting solidly at 95c in cinebench , idling in windows is between 40/50c

compared to my prev 5700x which only hit 75c max in cinebench, but seem 95 is kinda normal for this.

i did see some vids about enabling eco mode for the cpu, might be something to think about at some point, but for now, ill see how it goes.

 

[Zach_01]

yes 5ghz all core, pbo is set to auto atm, is sitting solidly at 95c in cinebench , idling in windows is between 40/50c

compared to my prev 5700x which only hit 75c max in cinebench, but seem 95 is kinda normal for this.

i did see some vids about enabling eco mode for the cpu, might be something to think about at some point, but for now, ill see how it goes.

Yeah its different...

5700X: 88W max
7700X: 142W max

Its normal from 75C to 95C under same cooler and rest conditions when power/heat increases 60-62%.

PBO on Auto means disabled. Its by default disabled. So the default 142W power is the limit.

 

[xu^]

Yeah its different...

5700X: 88W max
7700X: 142W max

Its normal from 75C to 95C under same cooler and rest conditions when power/heat increases 60-62%.

PBO on Auto means disabled. Its by default disabled. So the default 142W power is the limit.

well if its off and getting to 95c i might leave it like that until i get around to upgrading cooling
even like it is , it still wiped the floor with my 5700x in the few benchmarks ive done.

so happy for now, thanks to all who gave advice/helped, much appreciated.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

well if its off and getting to 95c i might leave it like that until i get around to upgrading cooling
even like it is , it still wiped the floor with my 5700x in the few benchmarks ive done.

so happy for now, thanks to all who gave advice/helped, much appreciated.

Total non issue don't go chasing temps with Zen4 if you want to see a lower number make tweaks in the bios like turning it into a 7700 non x while not losing very much performance.

AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Review: Faster than Core i9?

The Ryzen 7 7700X is arguably the most interesting Zen 4 CPU for PC gaming: it's an 8-core, 16-thread chip using a single CCD, which should mean...

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When it comes to cooling, Zen 4 CPUs give the impression that they're difficult to cool by delivering as much performance as possible by taking full advantage of the thermal and power headroom. AMD says with the new AM5 platform and higher TDP, Zen 4 processors will run into a thermal wall before they hit a power wall. This means under heavy load they'll sit at TJMax which is about 95 degrees Celsius for the Ryzen 7000 series, and this will be particularly true for the 12 and 16-core models.

AMD has stressed that this behavior is by design and it's important to note TJMax is the maximum safe operating temperature – not the absolute maximum temperature. AMD went on to say that 95C is not running hot, rather Zen 4 will intentionally go to this temperature under load because the power management system knows that this is the ideal way to squeeze the most performance out of the chip without damaging it. The processors are designed to run at TJMax 24/7 without risk of damage or deterioration they added.

 

[Zach_01]

In addition to the above the critical (shutdown) temperature of Zen4 I think it is 115C
@xu^ you can always go into BIOS and limit the max power of the CPU.

One of 2 ways

1. Enable eco mode
2. Enable PBO to advanced mode and manually set all limits of the CPU.
By default the 7700X has

PPT: 142 Watt
TDC: 90 or 95 Amps
EDC: 140 Amps

If you set them like
PPT: 125 Watt
TDC: 80 Amps
EDC: 120 Amps

You will loose a small amount of performance and only on all core loads/tests.
Single thread or gaming won't be affected.

Also when you have PBO enabled you have access to CurveOptimizer.
With CO you can undervolt the CPU across all frequency range so it will clock higher with the same amount of power/heat.
Its 100% safe as no overvoltage is introduced and no excessive power is drawn.
If you are interested we can give you the specifics of the settings.

 

[xu^]

In addition to the above the critical (shutdown) temperature of Zen4 I think it is 115C
@xu^ you can always go into BIOS and limit the max power of the CPU.

One of 2 ways

1. Enable eco mode
2. Enable PBO to advanced mode and manually set all limits of the CPU.
By default the 7700X has

PPT: 142 Watt
TDC: 90 or 95 Amps
EDC: 140 Amps

If you set them like
PPT: 125 Watt
TDC: 80 Amps
EDC: 120 Amps

You will loose a small amount of performance and only on all core loads/tests.
Single thread or gaming won't be affected.

Also when you have PBO enabled you have access to CurveOptimizer.
With CO you can undervolt the CPU across all frequency range so it will clock higher with the same amount of power/heat.
Its 100% safe as no overvoltage is introduced and no excessive power is drawn.
If you are interested we can give you the specifics of the settings.

i might consider the eco mode just seeing how it is over nxt couple of days, trying to get fans in bios set so it doesn't sound like a jet, is much better than it was.

also 1 more little thing if ppl can help, ive read loads on this and no1 seems to have to definitive answer.

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is this in Dual channel or not? some say yes, some say no


i ask because i ran a benchmark on userbenchmark and it said my ram was not in dual channel mode (i know i know , userbenchmark )

 

[Zach_01]

This is mine...

What slots are you using? The right ones with 2 sticks are the A2 and B2

 

[xu^]

This is mine...

What slots are you using? The right ones with 2 sticks are the A2 and B2

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think they are A2 and B2

2nd and 4th slots from the cooler

 

[Zach_01]

You're good...

 

[xu^]

seems doing a cpu-z benchmark and uploading says it is,, rather confusing to say the least, espcially when that Userbenchmark says its not...

 

[Chrispy_]

I've built a ton of PCs with AM5 and those MSI boards seem fine.

Look for EXPO RAM. The Corsair kits that are XMP have an above-average failure rate for working at their XMP timings on AM5 for me, sample size of maybe 15-20 kits before I switched to the EXPO AMD-specific ones.

Edit:
nm, too late. Seems like your Asrock board is happy with the XMP timings at least.

 

[Zach_01]

i might consider the eco mode just seeing how it is over nxt couple of days, trying to get fans in bios set so it doesn't sound like a jet, is much better than it was.

Yeah you can try the ECO. Although nothing like taking you the control, and curve optimizer is a powerful tool.

For the fan configuration you dont have to aim for the lowest temp possible. Idling at 40s is ok, gaming at 60-70C and ~90C under full load.
Also see if there is a setting called "delta" and set it to maximum, usually its 5C max. This will delay the fan rpm ramp up and make it less jumpy on every little (temporary) boost kick.

 

[Chrispy_]

i might consider the eco mode just seeing how it is over nxt couple of days, trying to get fans in bios set so it doesn't sound like a jet, is much better than it was.

AM5 is designed to push the CPU to 95C and hold it there, so the ideal quiet fan curve is something like this:



A is the highest fan speed you can't hear, or don't care about.
B is the threshold at which you are definitely into heavy CPU load. Probably 55-65C depending on your ambient temps and how much case airflow you have.
C is the key value. It's the loudest you can tolerate for your CPU at load, and a few degrees beyond the 95C target temperature. For me that's usually 50-65% fan and 97C
D is panic temperature at 100C.

Realistically, you're going to see temps up near 95C quite a lot unless you have excellent cooling, so the thing to do is choose a fan speed that you're okay with at 95C and then the 100C makes a sudden huge amount of fan noise as a kind of rudmentary alarm to let you know that something is wrong, like for example your case airflow being 100% blocked by a box you forgot to move from right in front of it.

Obviously, I'd never do that, nor would I ever forget to connect my fan controller power and have zero case fans because I'm, uh, not forgetful or easily distracted....
<_<
>_>

 

[JustBenching]

When it comes to cooling, Zen 4 CPUs give the impression that they're difficult to cool by delivering as much performance as possible by taking full advantage of the thermal and power headroom. AMD says with the new AM5 platform and higher TDP, Zen 4 processors will run into a thermal wall before they hit a power wall. This means under heavy load they'll sit at TJMax which is about 95 degrees Celsius for the Ryzen 7000 series, and this will be particularly true for the 12 and 16-core models.

AMD has stressed that this behavior is by design and it's important to note TJMax is the maximum safe operating temperature – not the absolute maximum temperature. AMD went on to say that 95C is not running hot, rather Zen 4 will intentionally go to this temperature under load because the power management system knows that this is the ideal way to squeeze the most performance out of the chip without damaging it. The processors are designed to run at TJMax 24/7 without risk of damage or deterioration they added.

Well I know this is amd's spill but it's frankly horseshit. Zen 5 works like every other CPU ever did in the history of CPU's, they keep boosting until A) They hit a frequency / voltage / power limit or B) They hit the temperature limit. The problem with Zen 5 is that because heat transfer isn't particularly good, you are much more likely to hit B rather than A. AMD just spun the whole thing into "we are hitting 95c by design". As if I can put my CPU in the freezer and then it can boost to 7ghz @ 95c.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well I know this is amd's spill but it's frankly horseshit. Zen 5 works like every other CPU ever did in the history of CPU's, they keep boosting until A) They hit a frequency / voltage / power limit or B) They hit the temperature limit. The problem with Zen 5 is that because heat transfer isn't particularly good, you are much more likely to hit B rather than A. AMD just spun the whole thing into "we are hitting 95c by design". As if I can put my CPU in the freezer and then it can boost to 7ghz @ 95c.

I haven't had the pleasure of working with zen 5 but I never had any issues with Zen4 performing as expected till 23H2 that is lol.

My comment was mostly it doesn't matter if you stick a 30-40 usd cooler on it or a 200 one temps will be comparable as well as performance.

 

[JustBenching]

I haven't had the pleasure of working with zen 5 but I never had any issues with Zen4 performing as expected till 23H2 that is lol.

My comment was mostly it doesn't matter if you stick a 30-40 usd cooler on it or a 200 one temps will be comparable as well as performance.

Im not saying performance will be an issue, im saying the whole "95c by design" is just science fiction. They are just hard to cool so youll be thermal throttling unless you go overboard with your cooler.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Im not saying performance will be an issue, im saying the whole "95c by design" is just science fiction. They are just hard to cool so youll be thermal throttling unless you go overboard with your cooler.

That's why i like the Zen4 X3D parts better they actually do run cool especially the 7950X3D lol.

 

[Kapone33]

That's why i like the Zen4 X3D parts better they actually do run cool especially the 7950X3D lol.

Max power draw on my 7900X3D is 108 Watts in City Skylines 2. That is with 100% load and every other Game is like 87 Watts. That is with the IGPU enabled. 95 C is only the max CPU temp before the protections are enabled. In most cases the workload will be long done before that temp is reached. Of course benchmark loops are different.

 

[dirtyferret]

Max power draw on my 7900X3D is 108 Watts in City Skylines 2. That is with 100% load and every other Game is like 87 Watts.

what are your temps like in the game?

 

[Kapone33]

what are your temps like in the game?

Max temp is 85 C with 100% load. You have to have a city over 600,000 population with all services created.