AMD Launches Ryzen 9 9000X3D Series "Zen 5" Desktop Processors with 3D V-Cache

[btarunr]

AMD today expanded its Ryzen 9000X3D line of Socket AM5 desktop processors that combine the "Zen 5" microarchitecture with 3D V-Cache technology, with the introduction of two high core-count models, the Ryzen 9 9950X3D and the Ryzen 9 9900X3D. The 9950X3D is a 16-core/32-thread chip, while the 9900X3D is 12-core/24-thread. These are dual-CCD processors, and much like the Ryzen 9 7000X3D, the 3D V-Cache is only present on one of the two CCDs, while the other is a regular CCD with just the 32 MB on-die L3 cache. There is one key difference, though. Since AMD has redesigned 3D V-Cache for "Zen 5" to be below the CCD and not above, the CCD with it has the same clock speed boosting characteristics as the CCD without 3D V-Cache; and AMD has worked to refine its software-based OS scheduler optimization such that productivity applications favor either of the CCDs, while games stick to the one with 3D V-Cache.

The Ryzen 9 9950X3D comes with a base frequency of 4.30 GHz, and boosts up to 5.70 GHz, with a 170 W TDP. This is much higher than the 5.20 GHz maximum boost frequency of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, which makes the 9950X3D the company's fastest gaming desktop processor. The Ryzen 9 9900X3D is similarly interesting—you get a base frequency of 4.40 GHz, and 5.50 GHz maximum boost frequency, which is higher than that of the 9800X3D, although the CCD with the 3D V-Cache only has 6 cores. The 9950X3D should hence end up beating the 9800X3D in gaming workloads, while the 9900X3D should be either on par or slightly slower than the 9800X3D at gaming, although faster than any chip from the non-X3D Ryzen 9000 series.



AMD claims that the Ryzen 9 9950X3D is on average 8% faster than the 7950X3D, and on average 20% faster than the Intel Core Ultra 9 285K in gaming workloads, tested across 40 games. It's also 13% faster than the 7950X3D at productivity, and 10% faster than the 285K across the same productivity tests. The company hence claims that the 9950X3D will be the "world's best processor" for both gaming and productivity, ceding no ground to Intel. The company made no first-party performance claims for the 9900X3D. AMD says that the Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D will be available in Q1 2025.



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[Daven]

If the 9950X3D beats the 9800X3D, I wonder if W1zzard will upgrade the GPU test bench.

 

[HOkay]

Price??

 

[_roman_]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d.html

vs

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d.html

 

[Shakallia]

If the 9950X3D beats the 9800X3D, I wonder if W1zzard will upgrade the GPU test bench.

The 7950x3d boosts 0.7 GHz higher than the 7800x3d, the later stayed nontheless on top for pure gaming. Not to mention the base clock of the 9800x3d is actually 0.4 GHz higher. Wait and see I guess...

 

[Kapone33]

The 7950x3d boosts 700 GHz higher than the 7800x3d, the later stayed nontheless on top for pure gaming. Not to mention the base clock of the 9800x3d is actually 400 GHz higher. Wait and see I guess...

Yes but not on the Vcache CCD.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Price??

Does it matter? You won't be able to buy one on launch day anyway, just like the 9800X3D

 

[HOkay]

Does it matter? You won't be able to buy one on launch day anyway, just like the 9800X3D

I dunno, they've had longer to build up inventory, & I'm expecting they'll sell fewer of them on day 1, but that's just my guesswork tbf.

 

[Shakallia]

Yes but not on the Vcache CCD.

"...while games stick to the one with 3D V-Cache"

 

[freeagent]

I can smell the disappointment from 9800X3D users when AMD said the 9950X3D was the worlds best gaming CPU lol..

 

[igormp]

I can smell the disappointment from 9800X3D users when AMD said the 9950X3D was the worlds best gaming CPU lol..

I still think the dual-CCD products to be pretty meh, but I don't play games so I'm pretty biased.
My only hope is that it makes the regular 9950x cheaper.

 

[freeagent]

I still think the dual-CCD products to be pretty meh, but I don't play games so I'm pretty biased.
My only hope is that it makes the regular 9950x cheaper.

They play games just fine.. even the old non X3D parts play just fine.

 

[igormp]

They play games just fine.. even the old non X3D parts play just fine.

I mean, you don't need the "best gaming CPU" to have a good gaming experience.
It's just that if someone is looking for a CPU for productivity (and thus more cores), I don't think that spending more for extra cache that brings some scheduler issues (on windows) is that worth it for the extra perf in some games.
But to each their own, I can understand (can't empathize, but still can get the argument) if they absolutely need to have the extra productivity perf, but at the same time gaming is their top priority.

 

[freeagent]

Don't forget, the big CPUs boost higher than the lower core counts, some people will be able to extract all of its performance, but most wont.

 

[Kapone33]

"...while games stick to the one with 3D V-Cache"

Yep and now you will get even better performance. Just like how the 9800X3D is faster than the 7800X3D by about the same measure. No one know how these will perform as we have never seen this in a X3D Duall CCD chip. I would reserve judgement until we get reviews.

 

[Shakallia]

Yep and now you will get even better performance. Just like how the 9800X3D is faster than the 7800X3D by about the same measure. No one know how these will perform as we have never seen this in a X3D Duall CCD chip. I would reserve judgement until we get reviews.

You clearly do not understand that only ONE ccd has 3dv cache. In gaming, the other ccd is disabled, so you're basically comparing two 8 core 3dvcache processors, one with higher boost clock and lower base frequency, and one with higher base frequency abd lower boost clock.

 

[freeagent]

In gaming, the other ccd is disabled

Is it? We know this for sure? Or just with older dual CCD X3D models?

 

[Kapone33]

You clearly do not understand that only ONE ccd has 3dv cache. In gaming, the other ccd is disabled, so you're basically comparing two 8 core 3dvcache processors, one with higher boost clock and lower base frequency, and one with higher base frequency abd lower boost clock.

Well since I am a Gamer and use a 7900X3D I can tell you that not all Games use a single core or are supportive of X3D tech. Maybe in these new chips will actually disable the non X3D CCD but the current ones only assign the X3D loads to that CCD if they know the Game supports it and the other CCD is not disabled.

 

[Shakallia]

I can smell the disappointment from 9800X3D users when AMD said the 9950X3D was the worlds best gaming CPU lol..

Not really, what I'm getting at is the marketing. AMD present it as the fastest gaming while comparing it to the Core Ultra 285K. And makes it boost higher (but with a lower base clock...which counter balance that quite a bit) to make it look better.

A lot of articles in the press only present the higher boost clock, but says nothing about the base clock, which once again is all about marketing.

I may be wrong but I foresee a repeat of the 7950x3d versus the 7800x3d.

 

[freeagent]

which once again is all about marketing.

Personally, I do not care about base clock at all, I just care about boost clock. The only time your CPU should be at base or lower, is when it is busy doing nothing.

 

[Shakallia]

Is it? We know this for sure? Or just with older dual CCD X3D models?

It says so in the article, its coming from the presentation :"and AMD has worked to refine its software-based OS scheduler optimization such that productivity applications favor either of the CCDs, while games stick to the one with 3D V-Cache."

 

[freeagent]

It says so in the article, its coming from the presentation :"and AMD has worked to refine its software-based OS scheduler optimization such that productivity applications favor either of the CCDs, while games stick to the one with 3D V-Cache."

Dammit.

 

[Aken Bosch]

The 7950x3d boosts 700 GHz

Are we approaching THz territory and I missed it???

 

[Shakallia]

Personally, I do not care about base clock at all, I just care about boost clock. The only time your CPU should be at base or lower, is when it is busy doing nothing.

Well, the time the CPU actually stays at the highest boost clock is very far from 100%, so the average frequency is actually more important and I believe the base clock plays a nice role in that.

Are we approaching THz territory and I missed it???

Right, 0.7 GHz

 

[freeagent]

Well, the time the CPU actually stays at the highest boost clock is very far from 100%

Oh..