win10 or win11

[hermesa]

So the story is long here.I got 2 houses in 1 town , house 1 have 200mbit router download speed and house 2 have 300mbit router download speed.I switched them because I no longer live at house 2 and I switched them at least to use the 300mb speed of the router from house 2 to house1 and I had to reset my security settings on both of them in order to work(i think its something related to my internet provider).Everything worked fine for 2-3 hours when my internet suddenly stopped.I noticed that only my ethernet stopped on my desktop pc while wifi was still working on both my laptop and tv and phone.I tried to turn on wifi on my desktop pc but it wasn't working.I opened proxy settings and I saw something changed my proxy settings to some IP adress that I didn't recognised and that stopped me from using ethernet until I unmarked that settings which was located in Control panel>>proxy settings>LAN settings>Proxy server.After some research I read somewhere that It may be malware that changed my proxy settings so it can track my passwords or something(I guess I understood right ,I don't know) And now I am little suspicious that my PC is infected with malware.I ran some windows deffender scans as well as malwarebyte scans too and offline windows defender scan but still I don't think I am free of malware and just to be sure it is not that my last resort is reinstalling windows. Win10 works fine for me and it's end is around october 2025, but I thought that win11 will last longer than win10 so I can go with win11 before I have to reinstall 1.5tb of game files again on the new win12 when it gets released whenever this happens in the soon future but it turned out they both end around the same time, should I go for win11 or win10 when it comes to gaming and security ?
The malware is whole my fault It didn't came from nowhere but the copy of windows wasn't original too but pirate activated.

Sorry for my english,it's not my native

 

[LowCacheMemory]

I dunno abt your super virus, but WIN 11 runs dependent on your hardware. if you send CPU motherboard GPU graphics card ram or something we might have an idea of what to do!

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[_roman_]

windows wasn't original too but pirate activated.

Just don't

I bought of foolishness a second hand box which was a windows 8 pro license.
Next time I would just use "unactivated windows". I never tried it yet, but I think that is much safer approach.

You may look into that topic. It's just a starting point.

Disadvantages and Limitations of using Unactivated Windows 11/10

What are the limitations or disadvantages of using unactivated Windows 11/10? Here is a list of all the problems you may face.

www.thewindowsclub.com

Windows 10 support ends this year. Windows 11 later. Paid windows 10 support costs money in the next years

And now I am little suspicious that my PC is infected with malware.

There are guides what to do. I would use the shred command and wait for at least one successful run over the hole drive. than just grab an official windows iso and start fresh. please read the manpages of those commands.

There are other operating systems which do not need licesne for basic tasks (just for information / BSD / linux kernel based / something else ...)

 

[hermesa]

I dunno abt your super virus, but WIN 11 runs dependent on your hardware. if you send CPU motherboard GPU graphics card ram or something we might have an idea of what to do!

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You can check them under my icon badge on dropping menu in ''System Specs''

Just don't

I bought of foolishness a second hand box which was a windows 8 pro license.
Next time I would just use "unactivated windows". I never tried it yet, but I think that is much safer approach.

You may look into that topic. It's just a starting point.

Disadvantages and Limitations of using Unactivated Windows 11/10

What are the limitations or disadvantages of using unactivated Windows 11/10? Here is a list of all the problems you may face.

www.thewindowsclub.com

Windows 10 support ends this year. Windows 11 later. Paid windows 10 support costs money in the next years



There are guides what to do. I would use the shred command and wait for at least one successful run over the hole drive. than just grab an official windows iso and start fresh. please read the manpages of those commands.

There are other operating systems which do not need licesne for basic tasks (just for information / BSD / linux kernel based / something else ...)

I mean ,I activated it with CMD command with original key.It's doesn't just stay ''unactivated'' and never had problems using such a windows.Literally no difference between this one(activated trought MS servers for free) and the original win11 I have on my laptop.But yeah ,I installed that win11 pro and rn I have significant drop in performance Tried tweaks - nothing works...Everything lags,stutters It runs at least 20% under the performance I had in win10 I mean after a while it starts to run good with under 20% of the performance I had in win10 but in the begining after starting the game sometimes some games crash like Hell Let Loose , crashed couple of times before successfull start.,in battlefiled 1 for example I have terrible stutter in the begining of the round and 1% lows...It is 2016 game WTH my hardware is more than enough to handle this game with 165 stable fps but this game on win11 struggles to reach stable 165.Never had such a problems with win10.I have VBS disabled, virtualization disabled too , tried with game mode on/off ,gpu hardware acceleration on/off , directx 12/11 , every tweak you can think of - nothing works Also amd overlay/drivers acting crazy too,never had a problem with them with my old windwos...

 

[Dr. Dro]

I read, but did not understand a word you said. Please don't mess with settings you do not understand and issues like this will likely not occur.

And my advice is to use Windows 11 24H2, unless you are willing to upgrade sooner rather than later. Reinstall your operating system from scratch and try again.

 

[TheDeeGee]

You won't know if Windows 11 is good for you until you try it.

In my case i went back to Windows 10 after 3 weeks of tinkering trying to fix the stuttering in every game.

I'll give Windows 11 a go again once the next big update is out to see if it's fixed. And if not i pay for an additional year of Windows 10 support.

 

[Shou Miko]

You won't know if Windows 11 is good for you until you try it.

In my case i went back to Windows 10 after 3 weeks of tinkering trying to fix the stuttering in every game.

I'll give Windows 11 a go again once the next big update is out to see if it's fixed. And if not i pay for an additional year of Windows 10 support.

You can suddenly be limited that Windows 10 might not run the game you want to play if MS and Developers puts an end to it.

 

[TheDeeGee]

You can suddenly be limited that Windows 10 might not run the game you want to play if MS and Developers puts an end to it.

Highly doubt Fortnite stops being supported on Windows 10 any time soon.

Games will be supported as long as the Enterprice LTSC isn't EOL.

 

[Shou Miko]

Highly doubt Fortnite stops being supported on Windows 10 any time soon.

Games will be supported as long as the Enterprice LTSC isn't EOL.

That really depends, because if the game anti-cheat software gets updated it's not the game it's the anti-cheat software that doesn't support it.

Talking about LTSC and such they ain't recommended for gaming since you can miss out on things that's not included or not supported because some refuses to go away from older LTSC version because they have support to 2028 or 2031 you just need to be aware what this.

 

[TheDeeGee]

That really depends, because if the game anti-cheat software gets updated it's not the game it's the anti-cheat software that doesn't support it.

Talking about LTSC and such they ain't recommended for gaming since you can miss out on things that's not included or not supported because some refuses to go away from older LTSC version because they have support to 2028 or 2031 you just need to be aware what this.

Can't even buy LTSC anyways as the average joe and i'm aware they're not for home use.

I just hope the issue i have get's fixed, as it's apparently related to the Xbox App (even when turn off) and the aggressive back/forground handling of Windows 11. I did some monitoring with RTSS and whenever this stuttering happens the FPS locks itself to 59 until i Alt+Tab out and back into the game, it's fixed for a short while again until it happens again. I had a whole list of things i tried to fix it, but the list ran out to the point the only things left to try was to disable C-states and the likes... yeah no.

I been told this Xbox App issue is fixed in the current preview update, but who knows when that comes out, so for now i'll stick with Windows 10 for a little longer.

This is the list i had gone through before i decided to go back to Windows 10. Mind you, this was on a clean Media Creation Tool installation of Windows 11 24H2.

Things i tried so far that didn't help:

• Disable browser hardware accelerarion.
• Disable HAGS.
• Disable Gaming Mode.
• Disable Fullscreen optimizations.
• Run as admin.
• Disable framerate limiter.
• Force V-Sync in game vs Control Panel.
• Run game in Maximum Performance mode.
• Disable ingame idle timers.

Things to try:

• Set Processor scheduling to Background services.
• Set Windows Powerplan to maximum performance.
• Disable Resizable BAR.
• Disable all C-States for the CPU (totally not a fan).

 

[Shou Miko]

Can't even buy LTSC anyways as the average joe and i'm aware they're not for home use.

I just hope the issue i have get's fixed, as it's apparently related to the Xbox App (even when turn off) and the aggressive back/forground handling of Windows 11. I did some monitoring with RTSS and whenever this stuttering happens the FPS locks itself to 59 until i Alt+Tab out and back into the game, it's fixed for a short while again until it happens again. I had a whole list of things i tried to fix it, but the list ran out to the point the only things left to try was to disable C-states and the likes... yeah no.

I been told this Xbox App issue is fixed in the current preview update, but who knows when that comes out, so for now i'll stick with Windows 10 for a little longer.

This is the list i had gone through before i decided to go back to Windows 10. Mind you, this was on a clean Media Creation Tool installation of Windows 11 24H2.

Have you try to actually remove the things you don't need to see if this helps your issues?

I personally haven't experience any of these things and disabling Resizable Bar will make you lose gaming performance so that's recommended.

I personally went with the Windows 11 LTSC I actually tested out the IoT Enterprise LTSC on my L14 G2 laptop and it ran well expect the ac-3 audio issue I fixed using AnWave as I made a thread about.

I had issues on my gaming rig since it's not a oem but it's home built but I got it sorted out it was a Nvidia Audio problem that caused my audio cracking issues, but with W1zzard's NVCleanInstall I didn't select HDMI audio and my problem was fixed since I do not use this hdmi audio I am fine but for people that do, they can't fix it this easily.

I should have gone with the Regular LTSC for my gaming rig for reasons I cannot explain I choose the IoT during install.

I use to make a custom Windows 11 Pro ISO for what I needed and also gave it out to some of my friends that wanted it since they saw my setup where it ran great but I didn't want to maintain it being update and also tested Tiny11 I build a couple of ISO files using original Microsoft files and they run great too but I still feel that LTSC run the best because of the native lack of extra problems but I can handle Tiny11 since it keeps everything installed so it can be used in a work environment when you also need Microsoft 365 which can be an issue on LTSC since it requires a lot of things to be fully up-to-date to function properly.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Have you try to actually remove the things you don't need to see if this helps your issues?

Yes, every app i don't use i uninstall via the Apps menu. I only leave the calculator and photo's installed.

I'm not going to mess with uninstalling packages via PowerShell, as i've done that in the past and it broke future updates.

Windows 10 is butter smoother, so it's not my hardware.

 

[hermesa]

Can't even buy LTSC anyways as the average joe and i'm aware they're not for home use.

I just hope the issue i have get's fixed, as it's apparently related to the Xbox App (even when turn off) and the aggressive back/forground handling of Windows 11. I did some monitoring with RTSS and whenever this stuttering happens the FPS locks itself to 59 until i Alt+Tab out and back into the game, it's fixed for a short while again until it happens again. I had a whole list of things i tried to fix it, but the list ran out to the point the only things left to try was to disable C-states and the likes... yeah no.

I been told this Xbox App issue is fixed in the current preview update, but who knows when that comes out, so for now i'll stick with Windows 10 for a little longer.

This is the list i had gone through before i decided to go back to Windows 10. Mind you, this was on a clean Media Creation Tool installation of Windows 11 24H2.

I went trough almost the same steps as you...And yet it's the same potato performance

I read, but did not understand a word you said. Please don't mess with settings you do not understand and issues like this will likely not occur.

And my advice is to use Windows 11 24H2, unless you are willing to upgrade sooner rather than later. Reinstall your operating system from scratch and try again.

Excuse me brother , english is not my native so I will render what I said trought ChatGPT and here it is :


''I activated Windows using a CMD command with a legitimate key. It’s not just "unactivated" indefinitely, and I’ve never had issues using Windows this way. There’s literally no difference between this version (activated through Microsoft's servers for free) and the original Windows 11 that I have on my laptop.

However, after installing Windows 11 Pro, I’ve experienced a significant drop in performance. I’ve tried various tweaks, but nothing seems to help. Everything lags and stutters, and overall, performance is at least 20% worse compared to Windows 10.

Over time, the system starts running better, but still underperforms by around 20% compared to Windows 10. Some games even crash initially before launching successfully. For example, Hell Let Loose crashed multiple times before I could get it to run. In Battlefield 1, I experience severe stuttering at the beginning of each round, along with terrible 1% lows. This is a game from 2016, and my hardware should easily handle a stable 165 FPS. Yet, on Windows 11, the game struggles to maintain that.

I’ve already disabled VBS and virtualization, tried running with Game Mode on/off, GPU hardware acceleration on/off, and switched between DirectX 12 and 11. I’ve applied every possible tweak I could think of, but nothing has worked. Additionally, AMD’s overlay and drivers have been acting strangely—something I never experienced on my previous Windows installation.''

And let me add something, I mess with settings that I do understand or at least settings that I can turn back to previous state such as game mode directx 11/12 , HAGS etc. The issues you are reffering to were present before I started ''messing'' with the settings.That's why I went to settings...you know because something wasn't right with my gaming performance. I have an idea what I am doing , just can't figure out why is win11 acting like that even when I am changing settings and makes no difference at all...
Looks like I will have to roll back to Win10 and probably wait for win12 release and when it's released to hope that it's not more laggy than win11

Yes, every app i don't use i uninstall via the Apps menu. I only leave the calculator and photo's installed.

I'm not going to mess with uninstalling packages via PowerShell, as i've done that in the past and it broke future updates.

Windows 10 is butter smoother, so it's not my hardware.

It's interesting that my ASUS TUF A15 FA507NVR with ryzen 7 7435hs and rtx4060 8gb win 11 EST runs smooth and gaming is pretty normal

 

[Dr. Dro]

Windows licensing status has nothing to do with your problem. It sounds to me that you are experiencing a significant loss of performance because you have an older PC and Windows 11 enables advanced security default and this has an impact on your processor's performance. The 5600X isn't a super powerful processor, and if you have slower memory, you're bound to notice a decrease if what I think is happening is. Download HWiNFO64 and run it on your Windows 11 system, see if this thing I circled is lit green

If HVCI is enabled, then open Windows settings, Update and Security, Windows Security, Device Security, look for "core isolation" and "memory integrity" and turn these settings off. Your PC should perform like it does under Windows 10 now. Windows 10 supports these security hardening features as well, but unlike Windows 11, they aren't enabled by default.

It'll be less secure, but Microsoft has chosen to harden Windows at the expense of performance, since newer systems are quite capable of dealing with the additional weight.

 

[hermesa]

Windows licensing status has nothing to do with your problem. It sounds to me that you are experiencing a significant loss of performance because you have an older PC and Windows 11 enables advanced security default and this has an impact on your processor's performance. The 5600X isn't a super powerful processor, and if you have slower memory, you're bound to notice a decrease if what I think is happening is. Download HWiNFO64 and run it on your Windows 11 system, see if this thing I circled is lit green

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If HVCI is enabled, then open Windows settings, Update and Security, Windows Security, Device Security, look for "core isolation" and "memory integrity" and turn these settings off. Your PC should perform like it does under Windows 10 now. Windows 10 supports these security hardening features as well, but unlike Windows 11, they aren't enabled by default.

It'll be less secure, but Microsoft has chosen to harden Windows at the expense of performance, since newer systems are quite capable of dealing with the additional weight.

Well my pc isn't with 5090 or 9800x3d but it's parts are couple of years newer than win11 release date(pretty sure it doesn't work like that but yeah,worth to mention it).I mean ,it's not the newest but it's not old either ,it just couldn't be that bad that can't handle and utilize win11 can it ?...Like it's mid-range not low-end or smh...My CPU merely reaches 60-70% Utilization during gaming and GPU is utilized at 90-95-99% always as it should be.My memory is DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 32gigs on 3600mhz which I think it's more than enough.Core isolation and memory integrity are disabled. I checked now and HVCI is also disabled

 

[Dr. Dro]

Well my pc isn't with 5090 or 9800x3d but it's parts are couple of years newer than win11 release date(pretty sure it doesn't work like that but yeah,worth to mention it).I mean ,it's not the newest but it's not old either ,it just couldn't be that bad that can't handle and utilize win11 can it ?...Like it's mid-range not low-end or smh...My CPU merely reaches 60-70% Utilization during gaming and GPU is utilized at 90-95-99% always as it should be.My memory is DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 32gigs on 3600mhz which I think it's more than enough.Core isolation and memory integrity are disabled. I checked now and HVCI is also disabled

It's actually older than Windows 11, the 5600X released in 2020. It's supported, of course, but HVCI incurs a performance penalty regardless of the specification or year the architecture was released. The older the machine is the worse this penalty becomes.

Have you tampered with HPET settings?

 

[Shou Miko]

Can't even buy LTSC anyways as the average joe and i'm aware they're not for home use.

You cannot buy it through MS directly but you can buy if you want to, there are several ways to do so and if you know anyone in the IT industry it should be kind easy enough.

I work with IT and I can get my hands on it but I do not want to "lease" the LTSC version so I got it another way around.

 

[hermesa]

It's actually older than Windows 11, the 5600X released in 2020. It's supported, of course, but HVCI incurs a performance penalty regardless of the specification or year the architecture was released. The older the machine is the worse this penalty becomes.

Have you tampered with HPET settings?

I actually didn't thought about HPET but anyway I rolled back to win10.There are no such difference now except in Battlefiled 1 , other games seems to have the same performance +/- 10-20fps
It seems I will have to upgrade my CPU as you were right that my current cpu was released in 2020 and not in 2023 as I thought. The question now is which one should I choose :
Ryzen 7 5800X
Ryzen 9 5900X
Ryzen 9 5950X
or should I go for some X3D version ? any suggestions ?
My GPU is 7700xt and I don't think to upgrade it soon as it work great for my 1440p monitor and provide smooth experience.I will be glad to hear some wise advices and oppinions

 

[Zach_01]

I actually didn't thought about HPET but anyway I rolled back to win10.There are no such difference now except in Battlefiled 1 , other games seems to have the same performance +/- 10-20fps
It seems I will have to upgrade my CPU as you were right that my current cpu was released in 2020 and not in 2023 as I thought. The question now is which one should I choose :
Ryzen 7 5800X
Ryzen 9 5900X
Ryzen 9 5950X
or should I go for some X3D version ? any suggestions ?
My GPU is 7700xt and I don't think to upgrade it soon as it work great for my 1440p monitor and provide smooth experience.I will be glad to hear some wise advices and oppinions

If you dont care about multi thread performance then 5700X3D is the way to go for games, if you can find it at decent price.
If not then I vote for 5900X/5950X.
5800X are a little hard to cool unless you tune it with undervolting and custom (lower) power limit.

 

[_roman_]

I had 4 different 5800x in use on 3 different MSI mainboards. They get quite hot wiht AIO and air tower coolers. I think the 5800X3d / 5700X3d is the smarter choice when those processors are in budget.
Else I would buy the cheapest second hand AM4 processor which comes close to
Ryzen 7 5800X
Ryzen 9 5900X
Ryzen 9 5950X

 

[hermesa]

If you dont care about multi thread performance then 5700X3D is the way to go for games, if you can find it at decent price.
If not then I vote for 5900X/5950X.
5800X are a little hard to cool unless you tune it with undervolting and custom (lower) power limit.

I am little more into gaming(my games: Squad,HLL,Battlefield 2042,Battlefield 1,World of tanks,Cheater Strike 2, Valorant) but considering the userbenchmark website 5700x3d is 1% better than 5600x(my current one) , am I right ? I want something that will support win11 without any doubts and drops in performance if my 5600x year release is the case and will justify upgrading CPU and spending more money on this AM4 platform I got

 

[lexluthermiester]

should I go for win11 or win10 when it comes to gaming and security ?

In this context, currently, both are on equal footing. So it's really a matter of preference for which one you like better.

The malware is whole my fault It didn't came from nowhere but the copy of windows wasn't original too but pirate activated.

Yeah, that's a bad thing.

 

[dgianstefani]

11 24H2 LTSC.

 

[lexluthermiester]

11 24H2 LTSC.

That is a good choice if a legit option is available...

 

[hermesa]

So I am now wondering between ryzen 7 5800x3d and ryzen 9 5950x or 9 5900x , which one should I go for considering I have rx 7700xt and I am playing at 1440p.I need future proofing with best possible performance at gaming Squad or Star Wars,Battlefiled