NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

[R0H1T]

Silicon lottery remastered.

Learn this one trick which made the Mafia billions Oligarchs trillions

What an absolute shit show. Nvidia really are scamming assholes, who could of knew?

What do you mean? So what if your coke dealer is scamming you, you still want it right

Yeah & at this point in time high end GPU's are like coke!

Still, I want to know if it randomly affects all models. I find it highly unlikely that an AIB decided to send such a model to TPU for review, that's crazy if the goal was to try and hide the fact.

You really think JHH wants to hide it, did you see Nvidia's market cap?

 

[MSV198]

Calculated risk. These chips are expensive. What's 8 rops, hopefully customer won't notice, profit.

I guess that could be their reasoning.
Their problem though is that the customers who stand in line for hours to shell out $2000+ for a 5090 are exactly the kind of people who will notice any small thing about their new purchase.

Ouch nVidia, how much more of your BS are people willing to take?

 

[Crackong]

The demend is so high Nvidia starts selling defective chips..?

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Should be interesting to hear what the reasoning is, if we hear anything at all. +/-5% is usually within the margin of error for testing, so they might argue that it’s negligible. Also, it might have been an error on ZOTACs fault to ship one of these to a reviewer. Maybe they were just hoping to sell cut-down variants to consumers and hoped nobody would notice. When cards are this rare and people are paying $4000 for them, they probably were hoping buyers would just be happy to own one.

When demand is this high and people are willing to overpay this much, what’s a few complaints? If the melting connector concern isn't making people pause, what’s a few missing ROPs gonna do to hurt sales? You can blame these companies to some degree, but as long as buyers continue to tolerate this behavior, what is going to discourage it? You don’t need even a $1000 GPU to actually play any game and enjoy it. They just have consumers right where they want them.

 

[Kapone33]

Have we seen this before from Nvidia? Then people wonder why I have not bought an Nvidia card in almost 20 years. Still fing the little guy with deceptive specs.

 

[Metroid]

Imagine idiots paying 10k to scalpers and in the end get one of these ehehheh

 

[BigMack70]

How sloppy and terrible does nvidia need to be before AMD can catch up in quality and mind share? Looks like they want to find out... 50 series looking like an all time terrible GPU series. Bad performance gains, awful pricing, a little bit of fraud, and a Russian roulette game of "will it light your PC on fire?"... And I still expect AMD to do something that makes them look like the less competent company

 

[Prima.Vera]

ZOTAC is not the manufacturer of those chips. Fewer ROPs, I believe points to Nvidia, not the AIB.

Either is crase incompetence, lazy product check or non-existing quality check, this thing is 100% ZOTAC's fault, and it's not even a question.
Even if scumbag nGreedia provided them with the shitty 5090 chips, IT WAS THEIR DUTY to refuse those incomplete chips and return them to nGreedia, not to install them ANYWAYS into a very expensive card.
There is absolutely no way or no other possibility that this is not 110% on ZOTAC.
Shameful!

 

[Auxityne]

Maybe it's the new SKU, and AIBs just haven't updated their marketing material?

What's the opposite of Titanium? Something that's not cutting edge tech, that's brittle and cheap?

RTX 5090 Pb?

Although lead isn't exactly cheap.

RTX 5090 Zamac?



Or the opposite of Super:

RTX 5090 Awful

RTX 5090 Abysmal

Or my favourite, people might even miss the difference:

RTX 5090 Subpar

:-D

5090 Duper.

 

[JustBenching]

You really think JHH wants to hide it, did you see Nvidia's market cap?

Yes, I really think he would want to, else they would just have released a separate model.

 

[Kapone33]

How sloppy and terrible does nvidia need to be before AMD can catch up in quality and mind share? Looks like they want to find out... 50 series looking like an all time terrible GPU series. Bad performance gains, awful pricing, a little bit of fraud, and a Russian roulette game of "will it light your PC on fire?"... And I still expect AMD to do something that makes them look like the less competent company

The funny thing is AMD did catch them with Polaris and Vega was faster but Crypto first and then RT/DLSS narrative pushed it back down. Then Nvidia started selling Gaming GPUs directly to China and it juiced their Gaming numbers to to the conceived 90% market share. Then the PC Community will tell you it is all people buying 4090s from Brick and Mortar and e-tailers.

 

[john_]

Either is crase incompetence, lazy product check or non-existing quality check, this thing is 100% ZOTAC's fault, and it's not even a question.
Even if scumbag nGreedia provided them with the shitty 5090 chips, IT WAS THEIR DUTY to refuse those incomplete chips and return them to nGreedia, not to install them ANYWAYS into a very expensive card.
There is absolutely no way or no other possibility that this is not 110% on ZOTAC.
Shameful!

I doubt ZOTAC being one of the AIBs having priority in Nvidia's list of AIBs. So if Nvidia gone to them and told them "I only have these chips and I also give them with a discount or wait 3 months to get meaningful quantities of good chips", what could ZOTAC do? And I am 200% certain that ZOTAC wouldn't even consider THINKING of annoying Nvidia by sending chips back.
Also I read above in other comments that an MSI 5090D had fewer ROPs. So, it's not just ZOTAC.

No one takes the risk of going against Nvidia in this market. When Nvidia says "jump" almost everyone asks "how high?"

 

[starfals]

Nvidia is perfect people, or did you forget about this? No driver issues... no nothing. Its all 10/10 GOLD!

Kek.

 

[Sound_Card]

Should be interesting to hear what the reasoning is, if we hear anything at all. +/-5% is usually within the margin of error for testing, so they might argue that it’s negligible. Also, it might have been an error on ZOTACs fault to ship one of these to a reviewer. Maybe they were just hoping to sell cut-down variants to consumers and hoped nobody would notice. When cards are this rare and people are paying $4000 for them, they probably were hoping buyers would just be happy to own one.

When demand is this high and people are willing to overpay this much, what’s a few complaints? If the melting connector concern isn't making people pause, what’s a few missing ROPs gonna do to hurt sales? You can blame these companies to some degree, but as long as buyers continue to tolerate this behavior, what is going to discourage it? You don’t need even a $1000 GPU to actually play any game and enjoy it. They just have consumers right where they want them.

Nvidia is literally the Apple of PC hardware. They can do whatever they want, because their consumer base allows them to. It does not matter if Apple breaks things and does slimy tactics, the sheep will continue to buy the products because it's a status statement. You are either in the 'in' or you are in the 'out'. Nvidia enjoys the exact same with their consumer base. It does not matter if they screw you over, the ecosystem is worth it, being in the club is worth it

Nvidia is perfect people, or did you forget about this? No driver issues... no nothing. Its all 10/10 GOLD!

Kek.

I know you are being sarcastic, but I want to point out that Nvidia just simply does not disclose "known issues" like AMD does with driver releases. But there are plenty of issues.

 

[Vya Domus]

When nVIDIA does it, it's a bug. When AMD does it, it's a feature!

When did AMD do something like this and it was a "feature" ?

 

[Hecate91]

Nvidia admitted that there where some problems with the first chips based on Blackwell.

Considering that Nvidia is selling cards as quickly as they build them, I wonder if those first batches with those problematic chips where not send to the trash, but sold as normal, probably with a small discount, to AIBs. In that case AIBs where probably instructed by Nvidia to not differentiate their cards with a different model number and Nvidia was probably also hopping most buyers to be pros, researchers or gamers who don't really know what GPUz is. A few cases could be covered up quietly with swift RMAs and everything could pass under the radar. But it didn't.


ZOTAC is not the manufacturer of those chips. Fewer ROPs, I believe point to Nvidia, not the AIB.

I suppose that could be the reason, Nvidia forcing a batch of defective chips on the AIB's is an incredibly bad anti-consumer move, but something I wouldn't put past them to do, and of course people are going to blame the AIB,not Nvidia. Nvidia has always gotten a free pass on their flagship cards having hardware problems since the Turing series.
Not getting the complete ROPs count is a total scam it's like the GTX 970 fiasco if there are other cards out there missing ROPs.
Zotac had issues with customer support for quite a while, bragged about selling cards to miners during the crypto boom, yet somehow they're still an Nvidia AIB while EVGA got left to suffer after Nvidia abused them for years.

The funny thing is AMD did catch them with Polaris and Vega was faster but Crypto first and then RT/DLSS narrative pushed it back down. Then Nvidia started selling Gaming GPUs directly to China and it juiced their Gaming numbers to to the conceived 90% market share. Then the PC Community will tell you it is all people buying 4090s from Brick and Mortar and e-tailers.

And now the narrative is supply and demand, even though there's various news articles of AIB's saying there is no supply.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Nvidia is literally the Apple of PC hardware. They can do whatever they want, because their consumer base allows them to. It does not matter if Apple breaks things and does slimy tactics, the sheep will continue to buy the products because it's a status statement. You are either in the 'in' or you are in the 'out'. Nvidia enjoys the exact same with their consumer base. It does not matter if they screw you over, the ecosystem is worth it, being in the club is worth it

Except there are 100+ other options except Apple on the phone market.
On the video cards market, there is currently only intel and AMD, both with sub par offerings both on hardware, also software level. Yes, nGreedia currently holds a monopoly on the GPU market, so people are buying its products because there is no other choice. If AMD would have something better than DLLS 4, 4xFrame Gen, hardware PhysX, or hardware G-SYNC equivalent, then I would jump the wagon in an instant without looking back.
I still miss the best AMD (ATI) card ever produced, the Radeon HD 5870.

 

[wNotyarD]

Either is crase incompetence, lazy product check or non-existing quality check, this thing is 100% ZOTAC's fault, and it's not even a question.
Even if scumbag nGreedia provided them with the shitty 5090 chips, IT WAS THEIR DUTY to refuse those incomplete chips and return them to nGreedia, not to install them ANYWAYS into a very expensive card.
There is absolutely no way or no other possibility that this is not 110% on ZOTAC.
Shameful!

Knowing NVIDIA antics?
Zotac: "You know these defective chips? We won't use them."
NVIDIA: "Alright, you won't get chips anymore."

 

[Sound_Card]

Except there are 100+ other options except Apple on the phone market.
On the video cards market, there is currently only intel and AMD, both with sub par offerings both on hardware, also software level. Yes, nGreedia currently holds a monopoly on the GPU market, so people are buying its products because there is no other choice. If AMD would have something better than DLLS 4, 4xFrame Gen, hardware PhysX, or hardware G-SYNC equivalent, then I would jump the wagon in an instant without looking back.
I still miss the best AMD (ATI) card ever produced, the Radeon HD 5870.

AMD has had better frame gen before DLSS4, and 3x 4x frame is really pointless. If I'm getting 80fps, why would I want 240 or 320fps with extra latency?

Hardware G-Sync is virtually dead. Seriously ... The Dell OLED panel with hardware Gsync performed worse than the Free Sync Premium. It's practically added weight and cost now.

Hardware PhysiX is literarily dead.

As much as I think FSR 3 is fine, they have hardware FSR 4 now. But there is always an excuse around the corner.

 

[john_]

When nVIDIA does it, it's a bug. When AMD does it, it's a feature!

Nope. When Nvidia DOES IT, it's nothing, it's probably "user error". Gamers Nexus...... "proved that".
When AMD is RUMORED that it does it - and usually it's a lie - all the Internet is uproaring.
If you don't believe me, let me quote wiz's words from Civ VII performance review.

Civilization VII has support for AMD FSR 1 and FSR 3 upscaling, but no frame generation. For NVIDIA, there is no love at all—no DLSS, no Framegen, nothing. Considering that this is a AAA game, this almost feels like a repeat of the Starfield drama, which had AMD exclusive support at first and the developer gave in later, after community uproar.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Zotac should just ship out some 5080 Ti stickers people can slap on their cards and call it a day...

 

[Feyd]

This was a mistake in GPU DB, the correct number is 112. I've updated our database

GB203 entry itself is wrong too.
ROPs 192
INT32 Units 5376 (if I remember right it should be full 10752 since Blackwell)

 

[Hecate91]

Except there are 100+ other options except Apple on the phone market.
On the video cards market, there is currently only intel and AMD, both with sub par offerings both on hardware, also software level. Yes, nGreedia currently holds a monopoly on the GPU market, so people are buying its products because there is no other choice. If AMD would have something better than DLLS 4, 4xFrame Gen, hardware PhysX, or hardware G-SYNC equivalent, then I would jump the wagon in an instant without looking back.
I still miss the best AMD (ATI) card ever produced, the Radeon HD 5870.

Nvidia is like Apple in the worst possible way, having a near monopoly with very few other choices in the market, yet the tech press still praises Nvidia like they're Apple, and consumers will line up for the latest product despite the hardware or software issues.
But what can AMD do "better" than Nvidia when Jensen has already won the war with proprietary software features? Reviewers already list not having DLSS as a con. Image quality with FSR3 vs. DLSS3 was massively overblown with pixel peeking in static images, 4x frame gen is useless if you need more FPS, hardware G-SYNC has nearly been replaced by Freesync, and Nvidia has mostly killed off PhsysX and has removed support for 32 bit PhsyX because screw anyone who wants to play older games that need PhysX support.

Knowing NVIDIA antics?
Zotac: "You know these defective chips? We won't use them."
NVIDIA: "Alright, you won't get chips anymore."

I expect that is how Nvidia probably treats any AIB that isn't a top tier partner.
Even though EVGA was a top tier Nvidia partner, they were smart to get out before the sh*tstorm with the 40 series melting power connectors happened.

 

[BigMack70]

The funny thing is AMD did catch them with Polaris and Vega was faster but Crypto first and then RT/DLSS narrative pushed it back down. Then Nvidia started selling Gaming GPUs directly to China and it juiced their Gaming numbers to to the conceived 90% market share. Then the PC Community will tell you it is all people buying 4090s from Brick and Mortar and e-tailers.

I don't know if you are an AMD fan or not, but this kind of reasoning - which relies on making excuses and hand-waving away AMD's problems - is exactly the problem.

No, AMD did not "catch them" with Polaris or Vega. Neither was competitive at the high end with Nvidia's products, neither was polished enough to compete with Nvidia's feature set and end user experience, and neither was priced aggressively enough to make Nvidia's offerings look like overpriced nonsense. Hence, no mind share and no market share for AMD.

"AMD is just as good except for {xyz}" has been required copium for AMD fans for 13 years, and it's just that - copium. The last time AMD had a product that caught Nvidia and was just as good was the HD 7970 - 13 years ago. They have failed time and time and time again to capitalize on Nvidia's missteps, and I fully expect they will do the same here with RDNA 4.

 

[ThomasK]

With all the issues piling up so far, it is definitely a great time to be a nvidia fanboy customer.

Anyone up for a paper-launched, scalped & unavailable @ MSRP, with missing ROPs and a melting connector gpu?