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RDNA4 Prediction Time Part Deux!!!

JustBenching said:
There was a guy comparing the numbers to TPU's 5070ti review
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You mean this one? It looks like the correct MSRPs are $550 for the 9070 and $650 for the 9070XT. Plus, The data is based on the reference model, which is approximately 5-10% slower than the AIB versions.
 
Last leaks looks good. Now let's see the street prices.
 
Denver said:
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You mean this one? It looks like the correct MSRPs are $550 for the 9070 and $650 for the 9070XT. Plus, The data is based on the reference model, which is approximately 5-10% slower than the AIB versions.
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Yeah probably this one. Sameish raster performance , worse RT for a 100$ discount. :banghead:
 
Daven said:
This is why I think AMD will price the 9070XT around the 5070. Because of RT. The delay was probably because AMD thought the 5070 would be around $650.
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This is very possible, and a fair reasoning to be sure. I personally think AMD thought 5070 would be $600, but your guess is as good as any.

Like I say (and I know you get it, but for some people they've never used this stuff before) they really need to be able to do 1080pRT->4k FSR4 up-scaling in a standardized setting like Black Myth and keep 60fps.

It might be one of those weird things where it really will matter if you can turn other settings down and keep it looking good, if it can't maintain it maxed.

It's also conceivable overclocking might make something like this possible, but it's also possible it may not. Hence, yeah, I look forward to people like HUB that will (generally) do tests like that (eventually).

If it can't, and it very-well may not, then again I suggest you wait, because RT/upscaling will still not have 'arrived'. We really need an ecosystem where affordable cards are available and this is the norm, imho.

Again, may not happen until next-gen, but it *could* happen with N48. Remember even the nVIDIA cards have a big perf hit when using DLSS, and many of them won't maintain 60fps in that situation either.

Supposedly 5070 may have these features buffed up (less hit to up-scaling and/or RT), but in that case you are once-again limited by compute/ram, so that's no-bueno either.

N48 (in some incarnation, be it 9070xt or something faster) truly is our best hope to bringing this to the 'mainstream'. If it can't, then we'll just have to wait.

Everyone is correct to wait for some official reviews that will show the scenarios where it is (realistically) limited versus what it could conceivably do and maintain a good experience (imho).
 
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dgianstefani said:
Optimistic pricing given the current market and AMD's history lol.
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Does it even matter there is likely no reference model from them so even if the price is $499-599 AIB will add 200+ to it anyway

www.tomshardware.com

AMD appears unlikely to sell reference Radeon RX 9070, RX 9070 XT GPUs

Apparently, the reference we've been seeing in AMD's marketing is an "artistic render."
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

The upside is they will look good for one week and then when people can actually buy them for near 5070ti actual retail pricing with amd pointing fingers at their aibs lol.


Msrp are just fake news in 2025.

They could say $299 it wouldn't mean shite.

So until I see in store pricing idgaf what they announce as the msrp on the 28th if they even announce a price.
 
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If AMD really wants to be a disruptor here against the 5070 and 5070 Ti and just garner widespread positive feedback from the market, then the 9070 XT should not be more than $549 tops at launch in my opinion. The fact they called it the "70", I think matters for positioning, and $649 or more is just going to be seen as the same price hike strategy Nvidia is doing (just not as high). I truly think that as far as mindshare is concerned, anything north of $600 is just not going to win them anything as long as the market can still say RT is worse and FSR is worse. They need to be ultra aggressive like they were with Zen - Zen 2 to win back marketshare.
 
Sir Beregond said:
If AMD really wants to be a disruptor here against the 5070 and 5070 Ti and just garner widespread positive feedback from the market, then the 9070 XT should not be more than $549 tops at launch in my opinion. The fact they called it the "70", I think matters for positioning, and $649 or more is just going to be seen as the same price hike strategy Nvidia is doing (just not as high). I truly think that as far as mindshare is concerned, anything north of $600 is just not going to win them anything as long as the market can still say RT is worse and FSR is worse. They need to be ultra aggressive like they were with Zen - Zen 2 to win back marketshare.
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Right, I agree. But they ARE launching into an atmosphere where product is scarce (atm), so it's always possible they might try to take advantage, at least short-term. Hopefully not, bc it always screws them.
Ray-tracing (960p/1080p; 1440 'quality'/4k 'performance' up-scaling) and native 4k lows will tell the story if this thing even makes sense versus so many other cards out there rn for those (sometimes different) uses. If it's just another 1440p raster card, who cares? Lots of those. Even if it can do 4k native okay sometimes; that also exists for a similar price already. They need actually GOOD rt/upscaling IQ/minimal perf hit.
And decent price. Only if they accomplish ALL of those can they replace the (often) 7900xt price. If it falters at ANY of those things, it has to be the GRE, imo.

I'm thinking the real thing they could do, and it's kind of is ridiculous but kind of isn't, is offer a 32GB 24gbps card with high clocks/3x8-pin and call it a 9080. It *feels* like something like that is being floated.
I mean it (mostly) doesn't need the ram, as I think most running 4k are probably going be up-scaling from 1440p, but there are some sitch >16GB could help for native or LLM, ntm bw for scaling core speeds higher, which could help 1080pRT and/or 1080pRT->4k upscaling. DGMW, I hope a 24gpbs/high-clocked card exists with just 16GB, but that's one way to pad margins and make it look like people are getting something for the extra money. Again, it's superfluous, just like 24GB is for 5080 (these will all be replaced by 18GB/192-bit cards on 3nm, and those make a lot more sense), but it would work as a stop-gap.

That's kind of what they did with 4890, back in the day (1GB vs 512MB; higher clock potential). Obviously that card was a re-spun 4870 on a higher-performance process, but N48 perhaps already that (vs N32).

It kinda comes down to how high they let each model clock, if it's bw-starved, how FSR4 performs, and how high the chip itself is capable of clocking (if given say, up to 450W+, which yes...I know sounds absurd).

NGL, it would be interesting to see 32GB N48 and 24GB 5080 fight with a similarish power envelope of >375-525w. I mean, ofc 5080 would win, but N48 would probably be 5070ti comp and potentially no slouch.

The whole question really comes down to if the chip is 'good-enough', and there's just no way to know right now. It still might not be possible to know until someone circumvents to the 9070xt power limit.

Even then, I still have a really difficult time believing they can really fight (outside of a novelty of a 32GB card) against something higher than a 5070 (16GB vs 12GB).
If they go head-to-head, or even proportional, I just can't see it working; it truly never does. They have to fight one tier down, even though sometimes nVIDIA makes that (purposely) tough on their margins.
That's JMO, and I know some people think it sounds farsical, but it has literally proven to be the only way people will buy their cards; regardless if they 'deserve' that.
 
$650 9070XT
$499 9070

Very reasonable MSRP numbers, good margins, good launchpad for $750/$799 AIB XT models.

We'll get 9060XT N48 die for $399, and 9060 for $299 (12GB a pop).

N44 will shore up the low end with 9050XT/9050 @$229/179 (8GB a pop).

If AMD can supply the channel and get FSR4 locked in, they have a potential market share coup on their hands.
 
So we are looking at 649$ msrp for an xx60 tier gpu. Lovely times we live in, bless you amd
 
oxrufiioxo said:
Does it even matter there is likely no reference model from them so even if the price is $499-599 AIB will add 200+ to it anyway
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An MSRP of $750-800 if the AIBs decide to add their own margin, which I doubt it'll be that much since quite a few 9070XT models are more basic looking in design, maybe $100 added over the cheapest card. And if they'll be in stock to actually buy then it'll be a win for AMD anyway. I don't like the current market but having things in stock to buy seems to be more important than the MSRP.
JustBenching said:
So we are looking at 649$ msrp for an xx60 tier gpu. Lovely times we live in, bless you amd
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As opposed to an xx60 tier gpu being sold for $1000+.
 
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3x0 said:
Fixed it for you
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Nah, Nvidia is selling xx60 tier for 750, not 650 :D

Hecate91 said:
As opposed to an xx60 tier gpu being sold for $1000+.
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The 1000 is street price and not msrp. That will affect the 9070xt as well, if it's 650 msrp you won't find it at 650 in your local pc shop. But why do you have to bring nvidia into it? Nvidia is totally crap so amd being a little bit less crap (in raster per dollar, in rt they are much worse) suddenly is a yaay?
 
JustBenching said:
The 1000 is street price and not msrp. That will affect the 9070xt as well, if it's 650 msrp you won't find it at 650 in your local pc shop. But why do you have to bring nvidia into it? Nvidia is totally crap so amd being a little bit less crap (in raster per dollar, in rt they are much worse) suddenly is a yaay?
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The $1000 price is what they sold for from launch, the MSRP was fake. I expect it will affect AMD to some extent but I doubt the 9070XT is going to be any more than $800 at worst.
And you were the one bringing Nvidia into this by saying the 9070XT is an xx60 tier Nvidia GPU. Nvida has been getting praised for being crap in price/performance while not being a significant improvement in overall performance over last gen, RT is an added feature how much you value it is subjective.
 
I think one thing that should be clear is that the problem with NVidia's fake MSRP is not just about lack of stock. GDDR7 is just more expensive, and supply is being dominated by supreme scalper Nvidia. They eat into their partners' profit margins to such an extent that now AIBs have to raise prices to recoup that.
AMD shouldn't have the same problem unless scalpers get in the way.

And it also doesn't matter if you think a given product is xx60 tier or not. That's up to NVidia, not your feelings.
 
JustBenching said:
So we are looking at 649$ msrp for an xx60 tier gpu. Lovely times we live in, bless you amd
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amd is obviously not going to save us from Nvidia prices, at most they could shave a bit off, but this is AMD we're talking about, i still have my money on -50/-100 depending on the class card
 
Hecate91 said:
No, how would the 9070XT be an xx60 class gpu? AMD claims the 9070XT is 42% faster than a 7900GRE, which would put it ahead of a 5070Ti by 7%.
www.techpowerup.com

AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE Specs

AMD Navi 31, 2245 MHz, 5120 Cores, 320 TMUs, 160 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2250 MHz, 256 bit
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
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If the 5070ti is a 5060 tier card then obviously the 9070xt which is 7% faster is of the same tier. No?
 
JustBenching said:
If the 5070ti is a 5060 tier card then obviously the 9070xt which is 7% faster is of the same tier. No?
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damn you're using logic, doesn't seem fair
 
Just wait for the reviews.. This is likely the top aib card with very high clocks v a standard 7900xt.

If you tweak the 7900xt in a similar way, it'll still likely be faster than 9070xt...

Not long to wait.
 
Reading all the comments so far, it looks like most agree on the performance claims/leaks/rumors that have been presented so far. The 9070XT will perform in the range of a 4070Ti to the 5070Ti in both RT and raster, respectively. However, it seems many are jaded by pricing shenanigans over the years and have no faith that we will get a good performing card at a good price. The most optimistic of us have the 9070XT priced close to $550 and the most pessimistic have it closer to $700 with higher prices due to MSRP lies and poor availability.

We should have official MSRP pricing (lies notwithstanding) on Friday and then full confirmation of performance and power metrics on March 5th when independent reviews hit the internet. Exciting times and by exciting, I mean I need to find a new hobby like taking up drinking. :toast:
 
Daven said:
Reading all the comments so far, it looks like most agree on the performance claims/leaks/rumors that have been presented so far. The 9070XT will perform in the range of a 4070Ti to the 5070Ti in both RT and raster, respectively. However, it seems many are jaded by pricing shenanigans over the years and have no faith that we will get a good performing card at a good price. The most optimistic of us have the 9070XT priced close to $550 and the most pessimistic have it closer to $700 with higher prices due to MSRP lies and poor availability.

We should have official MSRP pricing (lies notwithstanding) on Friday and then full confirmation of performance and power metrics on March 5th when independent reviews hit the internet. Exciting times and by exciting, I mean I need to find a new hobby like taking up drinking. :toast:
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550 will be okay. 400 to 450 should be the norm considering it's basically an x6xx tier but due to current events I'll be positive with the card even at 550 if the performance rumors are true (a bit over 5070ti at raster)

Let me rephrase the above cause it wasn't thought out well. At 550 and with the rumored performance leaks it will be faster in raster and pretty much as fast in RT compared to nvidias 5070. Add fsr 4 to the equation and it's a winner.

I still think this should have cost 400$ in pre 2022 pricing but sadly we don't live in those times anyone.
 
Eh xx60 class parts have historically been 200-300mm2 parts with rare exception (at least going back to the GTX 960). If the 5070Ti and 9070XT are in the 300-400mm2 range, then they are proper xx70 series cards IMO.

Its really the 4070/5070 that are xx60 cards rebadged as xx70 cards.
 
Daven said:
Reading all the comments so far, it looks like most agree on the performance claims/leaks/rumors that have been presented so far. The 9070XT will perform in the range of a 4070Ti to the 5070Ti in both RT and raster, respectively. However, it seems many are jaded by pricing shenanigans over the years and have no faith that we will get a good performing card at a good price. The most optimistic of us have the 9070XT priced close to $550 and the most pessimistic have it closer to $700 with higher prices due to MSRP lies and poor availability.

We should have official MSRP pricing (lies notwithstanding) on Friday and then full confirmation of performance and power metrics on March 5th when independent reviews hit the internet. Exciting times and by exciting, I mean I need to find a new hobby like taking up drinking. :toast:
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On point.

I'm personally thinking about taking up hunting monsters with a blow gun that shoots bugs, perhaps marveling at the antics of a particular devil in the kitchen.

You know, like a 'normal' nerd.
 
While we have no clear information about rdna4, what we know from the die data is that the 5070 will be awful compared to its TI variant, performing below the 4070 super, while the 9070 will follow the Rx570 , 5700 non XT and 6800 non XT fate of being a much more cost and power efficient variant for only 10% less performance on average, with a 16gb framebuffer for longevity. The only thing nvidia can do and seem to be doing about that is to rethink that card or make sure it's so widely avaiable that they can make margins on quantity and keep it close to msrp. Their strategy is having the poor buy a very shitty card with either no performance or too little vram to make sure they will have to spend again earlier.
 
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