AMD Radeon RX 9070 Series Technical Deep Dive

[Frick]

In Europe at least these will be too expensive for what they are and I'm not going to say otherwise just because Nvidia is even more greedy.

I'm gonna disagree. If the prices hold up and there is stock the 5070xt will be at least €200 less than the 5070ti. Actual street price of the the 5070ti is €1000+, with most prices being €1100+.

 

[Krit]

They had two months time for production or even more.......

 

[bitsandboots]

Ah, pricing in Europe, 636 EU for the non XT version and 696 EU for XT version. USD will be lower likely.

Don't let conventional wisdom limit your creativity! With any unluck, the US may be paying just as much as the EU with upcoming tariff pricing.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Everyone is talking about the 9070 being a bad buy at $549 but that was done on purpose. Its an upselling technique so 95% will see for only 50 bucks they can buy a 9070XT. This time i think it may work

This strategy torpedoed the 7900xt, and to a lesser extent the 7700xt. The appropriate price brackets for those cards got dominated by nvidia before AMD finally lowered prices. AMD's marketshare now sits at a paltry 10%

Attempting this strategy again, frankly, should be cause for a competency hearing.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This really comes down to actual retail price, which will be driven by availability.

If they don't have enough cards to completely satisfy the market at this price point, the prices will go up. MSRP is meaningless, supply and demand rules all.

If they live up to AMDs performance claims, I don't think we're going to see these cards at sub $600 (except maybe for a minute when they first hit the shelves).

If they sell out in a matter of minutes as I suspect, retailers will jack the prices up $200+ for the next batch.

 

[Bomby569]

I'm gonna disagree. If the prices hold up and there is stock the 5070xt will be at least €200 less than the 5070ti. Actual street price of the the 5070ti is €1000+, with most prices being €1100+.

450 euros for a 60 card and 550 euros for a 70 card are my top values, more and it stops making sense to me

 

[nRag3]

If those are actual retail prices these will sell incredibly well, if the stock is abundant that will be a huge win for AMD.

But why not sell the stock on hand now? I can't think of a reason to hold back (purely an example) 10,000 units of the 9070xt that is already in retailer inventory so that you can sell the next load of 10,000 units at the same time 1 week later. Both scenarios lead to 20,000 units being available for purchase March 6th.

 

[LastDudeALive]

Yea, us as tech enthusiasts can live with worse RT or a worse version of DLSS in FSR but the general public is far more skeptical (or arguably, has the wrong values)
I think AMD will close the RT gap with this generation, putting their RT as "still worse, but not by much" and FSR4 looks very promising (Not that it will match the newest DLSS gens but as long as its 'good enough', which FSR3 was for me, then it should be fine.)

Yeah, this is something a lot of people miss when discussing AMD. The public perception of AMD isn't "worse than Nvidia" which can be fixed with lower prices, the public perception is "Nvidia has these features, AMD does not." And that can't be fixed with lower prices. I made this comment yesterday in another thread, but it's like selling a car without airbags. Doesn't matter how low the price is, most people will never, ever buy a car without airbags. By only copying Nvidia 2 years later and not having a single original thought, AMD has cemented their reputation as lacking critical features.

Personally, I don't think this is going to be fixed until the PS6 comes out. If the PS6 has decent (for console) RT and AI performance, AMD can then market their GPUs off that.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

But why not sell the stock on hand now? I can't think of a reason to hold back (purely an example) 10,000 units of the 9070xt that is already in retailer inventory so that you can sell the next load of 10,000 units at the same time 1 week later. Both scenarios lead to 20,000 units being available for purchase March 6th.

IMO, if you want a PR victory, "20000 units sell out on launch day" sounds a lot better then "10000 units sell out on launch day".

Yeah, this is something a lot of people miss when discussing AMD. The public perception of AMD isn't "worse than Nvidia" which can be fixed with lower prices, the public perception is "Nvidia has these features, AMD does not." And that can't be fixed with lower prices. I made this comment yesterday in another thread, but it's like selling a car without airbags. Doesn't matter how low the price is, most people will never, ever buy a car without airbags. By only copying Nvidia 2 years later and not having a single original thought, AMD has cemented their reputation as lacking critical features.

Personally, I don't think this is going to be fixed until the PS6 comes out. If the PS6 has decent (for console) RT and AI performance, AMD can then market their GPUs off that.

We've seen how this plays out in the car world too. Nissan settled on being "good enough" selling rental spec cars and not really being competitive in any particular field. They are now 10 months from bankruptcy.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

I own 4070TIS, but I'll buy 7090XT just to support the underdog IF it really retails at 600 bucks. Ngreedia has clearly shown that they don't give a flying F about gamers at least not anymore.
We're just milking cows to them. They've cut us off the moment fat crypto & now AI milking cows appeared on the pasture.

 

[Frick]

450 euros for a 60 card and 550 euros for a 70 card are my top values, more and it stops making sense to me

The past is dead and butchered man.

 

[LastDudeALive]

We've seen how this plays out in the car world too. Nissan settled on being "good enough" selling rental spec cars and not really being competitive in any particular field. They are now 10 months from bankruptcy.

Good point. I don't get why AMD has done this to Radeon. They've done the exact opposite in their CPU division. They innovated with Ryzen, and they tripled their CPU market share, have the enthusiast performance crown, they're the market leader in datacenters with EPYC, and they're continuing to innovate with APUs and laptops while Intel's selling businesses trying to survive after being complacent for a decade.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I own 4070TIS, but I'll buy 7090XT just to support the underdog IF it really retails at 600 bucks. Ngreedia has clearly shown that they don't give a flying F about gamers at least not anymore.
We're just milking cows to them. They've cut us off the moment fat crypto & now AI milking cows appeared on the pasture.

Corporations are not your friend. AMD would do the exact same thing to you if given the chance. Remember how they jacked up the prices of their CPUs once they got the gaming crown from Intel? 6 cores suddenly became a $350 option?

They didnt cut you off either. DLSS4 is genuinely impressive, and it works on previous generation cards. Sure, they're getting every $ they can, but when people are willing to spend $600 to sidegrade over perceived marketing, can you blame them?

Good point. I don't get why AMD has done this to Radeon. They've done the exact opposite in their CPU division. They innovated with Ryzen, and they tripled their CPU market share, have the enthusiast performance crown, they're the market leader in datacenters with EPYC, and they're continuing to innovate with APUs and laptops while Intel's selling businesses trying to survive after being complacent for a decade.

ATI's integration into AMD was extremely messy, and 20 years later I think there are still lingering issues with management. In the 2010s it was due to AMD's horrible finances, they couldnt afford to replace GCN for example. I've argued for years the very first thing Lisa should have done was purge the GPU marketing division and most of the middle management.

 

[rv8000]

Good point. I don't get why AMD has done this to Radeon. They've done the exact opposite in their CPU division. They innovated with Ryzen, and they tripled their CPU market share, have the enthusiast performance crown, they're the market leader in datacenters with EPYC, and they're continuing to innovate with APUs and laptops while Intel's selling businesses trying to survive after being complacent for a decade.

Except Intel sat on their hands for years, then continuously fumbled plans and their fab tech has missed multiple goals. AMD comeback in the CPU space is a combination of successful execution on their part and the repeated failures of intel.

Nvidia is a different story, but thanks to crypto and now AI, neither company cares about consumer GPUs.

 

[Scattergrunt]

Good point. I don't get why AMD has done this to Radeon. They've done the exact opposite in their CPU division. They innovated with Ryzen, and they tripled their CPU market share, have the enthusiast performance crown, they're the market leader in datacenters with EPYC, and they're continuing to innovate with APUs and laptops while Intel's selling businesses trying to survive after being complacent for a decade.

It's because its not that simple.. Intel constantly fumbled the bag and exposed themselves for years for someone to strike. Fab issues, completely missed tons of goals, their solution to increasing performance was to make their CPU's run as fast (and as hot) as possible whereas Ryzen was way more efficient and had better platform longevity. I still vaguely remember when they made a selling point of one of the 13900k matching the 12900K at 65w.. actually ludicrous. (which apparently the 12900k in that instance was limited to 125w but I'm not sure.. still ludicrous though. )

AMD's GPU's as products are arguably worse than their CPU's, I heavily doubt they can strike out a launch that hits the mark as hard as the original Ryzen did. Even if they had a hypothetical "Ryzen-esque GPU launch" they'd still have much more to go up against compared to Intel. Plus, that doesn't solve their problems in the prebuilt market.

 

[Dahita]

AMD opting to go for performance comparison against 4 year old GPUs. Great! And to top it off majority of slides feature MBA designs that we were told were "only artist concept" which I strongly doubt.

They compared it to the 5070 Ti.

 

[redeye]

AMD snatches defeat from the jaws of victory again... $600/$550 are too expensive for these cards to be compelling.

Single digit market share incoming within two years. I hate this garbage GPU timeline we're on.

how is the 9070 series not compelling?… when your 3090 is only a bit faster than a 7900GRE… some say the 9070 series is much faster than a 7900gre.

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC Review

NVIDIA has launched the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti today, lifting the review embargo. The MSI RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X comes at NVIDIA MSRP of $750, yet includes a small factory overclock. In terms of performance, the Ventus is able to compete with RTX 4080 Super and RX 7900 XTX.

www.techpowerup.com

is it a thing to have nvidia coloured glasses? a 5070ti is 30 percent faster than a 3090… so it can’t be the nvidia glasses…

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Corporations are not your friend. AMD would do the exact same thing to you if given the chance. Remember how they jacked up the prices of their CPUs once they got the gaming crown from Intel? 6 cores suddenly became a $350 option?

They didnt cut you off either. DLSS4 is genuinely impressive, and it works on previous generation cards. Sure, they're getting every $ they can, but when people are willing to spend $600 to sidegrade over perceived marketing, can you blame them?

Market competition is my only friend in times when antitrust laws are dead and noone cares about regulating monopolies milking consumers out in the open. TSMC is basically a monopoly in high end semiconductor business, Nvidia is de facto market maker if not monopoly in GPU space, that's why PC enthusiasts are getting screwed and things will only get worse if such market conditions persist. I hope China brings some true competition to high end semiconductor and GPU market in the long run, like they just did in larger nm segments of semiconductors or Intel gets it's shit in order (highly unlikely imho). Until then I can only support the underdog by buying it's product in hopes of them getting some market share back from Ngreedia and price war woudn't hurt either as it's the only time we consumers win.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

how is the 9070 series not compelling?… when your 3090 is only a bit faster than a 7900GRE… some say the 9070 series is much faster than a 7900gre.

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X OC Review

NVIDIA has launched the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti today, lifting the review embargo. The MSI RTX 5070 Ti Ventus 3X comes at NVIDIA MSRP of $750, yet includes a small factory overclock. In terms of performance, the Ventus is able to compete with RTX 4080 Super and RX 7900 XTX.

www.techpowerup.com

is it a thing to have nvidia coloured glasses? a 5070ti is 30 percent faster than a 3090… so it can’t be the nvidia glasses…

Because the 7900xt has commonly been available for under $700 for over a year, often as low as $600.

Paying about the same price for a GPU with 4GB less VRAM and roughly the same performance, wow WHAT A STEAL

Market competition is my friend in times when antitrust laws are dead and noone cares about monopolies milking consumers anymore. TSMC is basically a monopoly in high end semiconductor business, Nvidia is de facto market maker if not monopoly in GPU space, that's why PC enthusiasts are getting screwed and things will only get worse if such market conditions persist. I hope China brings some true competition to high end semiconductor and GPU market in the long run, like they just did in larger nm segments of semiconductors or Intel gets it's shit in order (highly unlikely imho). Until then I can only support the underdog by buying it's product in hopes of them getting some market share back from Ngreedia and price war woudn't hurt either as it's the only time we consumers win.

Paying $600 to sidegrade to the competition because "nGREEDia *wall of text*" only proves that they are indeed correct to milk the cows that willingly line up to burn money at the pyre of team green/red.

You already have a 4070ti super. The jump to a 9070xt at best would probably be 15%. And you're willing to dump $600+ to do that. That is the EXACT type of consumer behavior that people accuse nvidia of promoting.

 

[Pumper]

Looks great, but it seems AMD will be trying to upsell to XT with only $50 difference for a decent performance bump.

Hopefully the low load power draw won't suck this time.

 

[LastDudeALive]

It's because its not that simple.. Intel constantly fumbled the bag and exposed themselves for years for someone to strike. Fab issues, completely missed tons of goals, their solution to increasing performance was to make their CPU's run as fast (and as hot) as possible whereas Ryzen was way more efficient and had better platform longevity.

AMD's GPU's as products are arguably worse than their CPU's, and are also less popular as a whole. I heavily doubt they can strike out a launch that hits the mark as hard as the original Ryzen did. Even if they had a hypothetical "Ryzen-esque GPU launch" they'd still have much more to go up against compared to Intel.

That's my point though, yes Intel became complacent and fumbled the bag with architecture and fab issues. That provided an opening, but it was innovation that allowed AMD to come back.

Nvidia hasn't been untouchable either, the initial implementation of RT and DLSS was crude (remember how the algorithm had to be trained by Nvidia on each game?). AMD could have come back with RT in the 7000 series, they had plenty of time. But their RT cores were still much worse than the 30 series. Or they could have implemented MFG, it's not like Nvidia invented image interpolation. But Nvidia was the first to try and put it in a GPU, while AMD did not.

The one spot where I'll give credit to AMD is the rasterization cores, AMD has done a fantastic job of actually refining RDNA each generation, while Nvidia's basically left the CUDA core alone since Turing. But rasterization doesn't sell GPUs anymore.

 

[redeye]

Because the 7900xt has commonly been available for under $700 for over a year, often as low as $600.

Paying about the same price for a GPU with 4GB less VRAM and roughly the same performance, wow WHAT A STEAL

So a 7900xt is 700, but the 9070xt is 600, and it has better technology… i would say “what a steal” not sarcastically…


i have a 7900xtx, and when all of the features in the 9070 are used, my card will be a disappointment… and after spending plenty money on water cooling, and it kinda being ”overpowered” for most games, the 9070xt is good enough. funny, i also have a 6750xt, watercooled and it is a real disappointment…(IMO)



in any case, i built these systems to fill time(hobby), i use my ps5pro for gaming.

 

[Chomiq]

They compared it to the 5070 Ti.

Only in their presentation, which wasn't shared with media beforehand.

 

[Dahita]

Because the 7900xt has commonly been available for under $700 for over a year, often as low as $600.

Paying about the same price for a GPU with 4GB less VRAM and roughly the same performance, wow WHAT A STEAL


Paying $600 to sidegrade to the competition because "nGREEDia *wall of text*" only proves that they are indeed correct to milk the cows that willingly line up to burn money at the pyre of team green/red.

You already have a 4070ti super. The jump to a 9070xt at best would probably be 15%. And you're willing to dump $600+ to do that. That is the EXACT type of consumer behavior that people accuse nvidia of promoting.

I don't get you.

The lowest price for a 7900XT is $1,168.90 on new egg. It's nowhere near the performance announced either if you factor in the RT perf, and it's announced at only $600. What's not to like?

 

[RedelZaVedno]

Because the 7900xt has commonly been available for under $700 for over a year, often as low as $600.

Paying about the same price for a GPU with 4GB less VRAM and roughly the same performance, wow WHAT A STEAL


Paying $600 to sidegrade to the competition because "nGREEDia *wall of text*" only proves that they are indeed correct to milk the cows that willingly line up to burn money at the pyre of team green/red.

You already have a 4070ti super. The jump to a 9070xt at best would probably be 15%. And you're willing to dump $600+ to do that. That is the EXACT type of consumer behavior that people accuse nvidia of promoting.

I think $600 is a small price to pay IF we achieve market normalization. The way things are going there soon will be no DIY dGPU PC market left. I'm fortunate enough that I can burn 600 bucks on principle, but most of today's kids and young adults aren't. Our beloved hobby could very well be dead in 10 years time if young people are forced out of the PC gaming. Gaming for the masses will move to subsciption based remote clouds as only the super rich will still be able to afford gaming PCs. That would paradoxically be a win for companies like Nvidia providing cloud gaming for the masses & dGPUs for enterprise only.