Windows 10 Vs 11, Which one to choose?

[lexluthermiester]

recently gave a go to windows 11, even on a decent sata ssd os became slow whereas windows 10 is as fast ever, files on hdd took eternity to load (i keep some portable apps on my secondary drive)

Then something was not done right. As how you installed Windows in not known to me, can't say what that was.

 

[Dahita]

I've never had any issue with Win 11. Win 10 is going to be deprecated soon (or is it already?), so I don't see the point in installing it. Reminds me of the same conversations for every single windows version getting out.
Windows 3.11? "Omg Dos so much more stable"
Windows 95? "So buggy!"
Windows 98? Ok this one was cool
Windows ME? "OMG windows 98 so much better"
Windows 2000? "OMG nothing's compatible"
Windows 7? "Omg it's so slow"
Windows 10? "Omg so bloated"
Windows 11? "Omg Win10 so much better"

Yet you would never go back to anyone of them.

 

[Chrispy_]

I've never had any issue with Win 11. Win 10 is going to be deprecated soon (or is it already?), so I don't see the point in installing it. Reminds me of the same conversations for every single windows version getting out.

Windows 11 is a downgrade over 10 in terms of independence from Microsoft's very much self-serving agenda, but like you say, W10 will be dead soon. Even if you like it more, security updates and drivers for newer hardware are going to force you to W11 in the very near future.

You either need to go with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021, which comes with an enormous list of caveats for a standard user wanting to do typical internet-connected things using modern libraries and drivers, or you just need to suck it up and use the current version of Windows, whether you like it or not.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Win 10 is going to be deprecated soon (or is it already?)

The consumer versions, October.

Yet you would never go back to anyone of them.

Not true! I would happily, joyfully go back to Windows 7 if it were feasible to do so.

You either need to go with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021, which comes with an enormous list of caveats for a standard user wanting to do typical internet-connected things using modern libraries and drivers, or you just need to suck it up and use the current version of Windows, whether you like it or not.

Neither one of those points are true. Have you not be keeping up on things?
https://rufus.ie/en/
https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
https://winaerotweaker.com/
Explore and utilize.

There is no excuse for using Windows 11 in it's default state. Debloating & decrapifying is easy and people do NOT need LTSC or IoT.

 

[avidgamer121]

Then something was not done right. As how you installed Windows in not known to me, can't say what that was.

idk what never happened before, it runs fine on my brother's laptop and desktop. I have heard about issues with 24h2 but his pc runs 23h2, not sure about the laptop though.

I've never had any issue with Win 11. Win 10 is going to be deprecated soon (or is it already?), so I don't see the point in installing it. Reminds me of the same conversations for every single windows version getting out.
Windows 3.11? "Omg Dos so much more stable"
Windows 95? "So buggy!"
Windows 98? Ok this one was cool
Windows ME? "OMG windows 98 so much better"
Windows 2000? "OMG nothing's compatible"
Windows 7? "Omg it's so slow"
Windows 10? "Omg so bloated"
Windows 11? "Omg Win10 so much better"

Yet you would never go back to anyone of them.

why did you skip xp?

 

[lexluthermiester]

idk what never happened before, it runs fine on my brother's laptop and desktop. I have heard about issues with 24h2 but his pc runs 23h2, not sure about the laptop though.

24H2 has had it's problems, no doubts there.

why did you skip xp?

I didn't skip it, but I would never go back to it as a daily driver if Windows 7 was an available option.

 

[avidgamer121]

I didn't skip it, but I would never go back to it as a daily driver.

i was asking @Dahita, not you. You should have seen the quotation properly.

Anyway, windows xp has been EOL for more than a decade now and i remember using it till 2014 and it was kinda bad decision because i had modern hardware of that time and it gave worse performance but i was finicky about resources consumption.

 

[Chrispy_]

Generate autounattend.xml files for Windows 10/11

Winaero Tweaker

The ultimate all-in-one tweaker for Windows 11, Windows 10, Windows 8, and Windows 7.

winaerotweaker.com

There is no excuse for using Windows 11 in it's default state.

Aye, autounattend.xml is the only way I've touched Windows 11 in the last 18 months. Out of the box, Windows 11 is just adware, bloatware, and data-harvesting taken to (and arguably beyond) the legal limits of consumer rights and privacy laws.

And people do NOT need LTSC or IoT.

They do for Windows 10 beyond October, surely? Either that or just stop getting security updates which is very hard to recommend.

 

[avidgamer121]

They do for Windows 10 beyond October, surely? Either that or just stop getting security updates which is very hard to recommend.

who knows support might get extended for few years like it happened with xp

 

[Chrispy_]

who knows support might get extended for few years like it happened with xp

The present plan is that you have to pay for it.

XP was so long ago that I doubt Microsoft will repeat that mistake - they've already setup their monetised business model for extended support Since Windows 7, and that's been true for Windows 8, no reason to assume they'll go back to being charitable when Windows 10 is a thorn in their side.

 

[lexluthermiester]

i was asking @Dahita, not you. You should have seen the quotation properly.

Anyway, windows xp has been EOL for more than a decade now and i remember using it till 2014 and it was kinda bad decision because i had modern hardware of that time and it gave worse performance but i was finicky about resources consumption.

Oops. Sorry. I was doing some editing at that same moment and didn't notice.

Aye, autounattend.xml is the only way I've touched Windows 11 in the last 18 months.

Then you're are leaving out options that are very useful. I do not consider a Windows install complete until I've gone through it with Winaero Tweaker. This has been true since Windows 7. Very useful utility.

They do for Windows 10 beyond October, surely? Either that or just stop getting security updates which is very hard to recommend.

Again, you're assuming the need to stay with Windows 10. There's really no need for that.

 

[Dahita]

idk what never happened before, it runs fine on my brother's laptop and desktop. I have heard about issues with 24h2 but his pc runs 23h2, not sure about the laptop though.


why did you skip xp?

Ohhh, shame on me, good point! The Windows XP vs 98 was also a solid battle.

 

[avidgamer121]

XP was so long ago that I doubt Microsoft will repeat that mistake - they've already setup their monetised business model for extended support Since Windows 7, and that's been true for Windows 8, no reason to assume they'll go back to being charitable when Windows 10 is a thorn in their side.

that's why many people are starting to route to Linux, i have recently seen quite a few videos and it's making good progress in terms of gaming as well with proton and stuff. Though, i am currently not comfortable with that stuff but in future it might be a good option.

 

[Chrispy_]

that's why many people are starting to route to Linux, i have recently seen quite a few videos and it's making good progress in terms of gaming as well with proton and stuff. Though, i am currently not comfortable with that stuff but in future it might be a good option.

Yeah, I've been casually using Arch because of the Steam Deck and the number of things I can't do on Arch that I need windows for is getting smaller every month.

I've been using Linux command line for 15 years thanks to VMWare and more recently Proxmox so it's not as alien to me as it could be, but SteamOS Holo based on Arch is really beginner-friendly, I'm going to recommend some tinkering but Linux-fearing friends and colleagues give it a spin.

Again, you're assuming the need to stay with Windows 10. There's really no need for that.

This is a "Windows 10 vs Windows 11" thread, so it's very relevant to the Windows 10 discussion, not that I'm advocating Windows 10 at this point.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is a "Windows 10 vs Windows 11" thread

Yeah, that's my point. This discussion is kind of a waste of effort. Instead people should be focusing on what they can do to make Windows 11 workable for their needs instead of how to make Windows 10 keep working.

 

[R-T-B]

Valve should learn there is no linux, Steam is a ubuntu "gnu/linux" binary. Its Kernel and gnu userspace. And the steam binary in gnu gentoo linux was ~3 months ago still full with duplicate ubuntu binaries. the usually gnu linux user want to avoid binaries. That's why windows 11 pro for gaming. That is before gaming performance, disk size and other paramter taken into account.

I do like avoiding binaries but in wine land what can you do? Thats the windows model.

I'm not about to setup a windows install on my main machine again. (Well, minus that vm I keep for odd occasions).

 

[lexluthermiester]

I do like avoiding binaries but in wine land what can you do? Thats the windows model.

I'm not about to setup a windows install on my main machine again. (Well, minus that vm I keep for odd occasions).

So you're completely sans Windows now?

 

[R-T-B]

So you're completely sans Windows now?

Not in the entire workplace no but for my personal machine yes. I think my couple employees would pull a sudden "Ceaser state policy discussion" on me if I dumped it on the workstations, and I have no friend named Brutus...

Final straw for me was the official minimum quantity order for Windows 11 LTSC. That's just not doable for any small or even medium business. I thought about buying a license from a split up bulk pack on one of those sites, but I have other, unrelated to Windows 11 gripes with MS policy.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I've never had any issue with Win 11. Win 10 is going to be deprecated soon (or is it already?), so I don't see the point in installing it. Reminds me of the same conversations for every single windows version getting out.

you forgot some...see below...

Windows 3.11? "Omg Dos so much more stable"
Windows 95? "So buggy!"
Windows 98? Ok this one was cool
Windows ME? "OMG windows 98 so much better"

Windows NT3.51 to 4.0 (service pack 6)? "OMG it's so stable"

Windows 2000? "OMG nothing's compatible"

Windows Vista? "Omg it's so many security popups"

Windows 7? "Omg it's so slow"
Windows 10? "Omg so bloated"
Windows 11? "Omg Win10 so much better"

Yet you would never go back to anyone of them.

I'm not about to setup a windows install on my main machine again. (Well, minus that vm I keep for odd occasions).

I'm preparing to do the Linux route this year. I couldn't do it for my work daily machine because the VM multi-monitor feature I use wasn't working right in Linux but for my non-Daily / non-gaming machines I'm pretty sure I'm going to make the switch.

 

[R-T-B]

I'm preparing to do the Linux route this year. I couldn't do it for my work daily machine because the VM multi-monitor feature I use wasn't working right in Linux but for my non-Daily / non-gaming machines I'm pretty sure I'm going to make the switch.

It's worth it if you can spare the time, but its not for everyone. No denying windows is far more "point and click." If you can get past that though things are pretty good.

 

[Krit]

Windows 10 is way faster on desktop.

 

[freeagent]

I liked Vista better than XP lol, it was way more stable. It ran nice for me, but I had top of the line hardware for it. Same with 7.. and paused my hardware hobby while my kids grew up and worked a low paying job while going into massive debt so my wife could stay home and raise our kids lol..

I don't mind 11, it runs pretty quick for me. 10 might be a little quicker, but there is a lot less going on imo.

 

[_roman_]

Lol Vista. I had that three days installed until I downloaded and moved to gnu gentoo linux. I also had arch linux at that time. Gentoo won.

My windows os of choice is windows 2000. Maybe windows 3.11 - that worked at least flawless.

@R-T-B I really hate like sykpe and steam does. Pull down 150% of existing installed binary ubuntu binaries which are already installed and compiled on my gnu gentoo box anyway. the worst was 32 bit and the same stuff in 64 bit binary libraries. Full of security holes, outdated and old.

Windows is not point and click. It needs also a lot on a fresh install or unmaintained install to play games. Far more work as windows lacks a package manager for essential system critical software. I download average 15 packages per week from computerbase.de/downloads for just my windows 11 pro 24h2 - only gaming installation. Downloand / move / manually install the fils as windows is unalbe to have have parallel installer routine. I have on my gnu gentoo linux sometimes up to 5 package installers in parallel running for years. All executing, all working, no issues. New Software, update software, remove old software, checking dependencies, ....

-- Windows 10 pro was slow. Windows 11 pro 24h2 is sluggish on warm and cold boots. I have an offline user with no password = autologin. The time until amd gpu driver is loaded and the box is useable is unacceptable with a kc3000 2tb drive with ryzen 7600x on a X670 mainboard with 2x32GiB 6000 MT/s dram. Maybe time to upgrade but AMD does not sell real faster CPUs (=300% ) as of now. Network is disabled by default - it cant be the network feature of windows 11 pro. Nothing has access to the net during bootup

 

[TheDeeGee]

who knows support might get extended for few years like it happened with xp

Seeing Windows 10 grew with 10% in the Steam Survey they perhaps will.

It's clear people don't want Win 11.

 

[theFOoL]

Seeing Windows 10 grew with 10% in the Steam Survey they perhaps will.

It's clear people don't want Win 11.

I mean I've seen a 9 to 15 fps difference ah ha (Based off reviews)