TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Radical Vision]

Yes the TNT II Pro is fine card, but that one is of the Super quality, the dog brand, so nah... Not to mention i already have dog brand non name TNT II Pro that i use in the Slot I PII 450 system, and another green one MSI, that is waaay better in build quality, but sadly i dont use it, cuz is green, and the system is yellow... Even the memory is Samsung on that MSI card, and the Adda fan is so good, a bit of grease and is like new, cant say that for most of these fans..

Same case with the TNT II ultra, also dog... Would be better to find another MSI, and just swap the Pro chip with the Ultra one...




Rest cards are for sure useless, but i will manage to transform them into money, and then into useful parts as usual... Years ago i did throw parts and stuff that were useless, these days i dont throw even IDE cables...

 

[MaxiPro800]

May use this for Area 51 Alienware build later, or go with a 6BXC + PCI SCSI card... or P2B-S w/ onboard Adaptec 2940U2W because dum scrapper broke the 6BXU and it only works with 2 out of 4 sticks, and does not detect IDE1.

 

[agent_x007]

Then up to a 3GB GPU (GTX1060 3GB?) can work without resource conflicts due to GPU caching. Win7 32 has a 4GB limit. Win7 64 Home Basic has an 8GB limit.

I ran GTX Titan Xp (12GB) card just fine on Windows 7 32-bit (on LGA 775) ?
Can you list games/programs that you had issues with ?
(I would like to test them next time I try to do something like this)

 

[Radical Vision]

Found 2 IBM T60, working one also have ATi gpu, not sure about the other... Will have great time restoring one or both of them... Will be nice the ATi one to be IPS display... Will upgrade the HDD, RAM, CPU, maybe even go with SSD but not sure about that... There was trick i think to use 4 gigs of memory instead of 3gb max....

 

[MaxiPro800]

No 4GB, T60 has chipset limitation to 3.25GB. All 945GM/PM chipset based laptops have that limitation.

Only T61 allows for 4GB (and possibly higher, at least from what I've seen on other 965GM/PM machines) RAM with no limits (aside from GPU mem-share)

And finally, an 965GM based machine, Dell Latitude D630. Runs Windows 2000 Pro.

 

[Radical Vision]

I remember someone that own T60 said some time ago that there was way to upgrade something in order to use 4GB, but dont remember what, maybe the mobo... Dumb they did not made the chipset support 4 gigs...

T61 i have 1, that model suck, most have the garbage useless Intel GMA that cant run even GTA VC lmao, the more potent use the nGreedia garbage that is good, but all are dead since is FK nGreedia, and that brand is good only to die obviously...

 

[MaxiPro800]

I remember someone that own T60 said some time ago that there was way to upgrade something in order to use 4GB, but dont remember what, maybe the mobo... Dumb they did not made the chipset support 4 gigs...

T61 i have 1, that model suck, most have the garbage useless Intel GMA that cant run even GTA VC lmao, the more potent use the nGreedia garbage that is good, but all are dead since is FK nGreedia, and that brand is good only to die obviously...

T61 mobo swap works on these. Intel GMA outlives that nVidia chip even in the case of my D630 so if anything I'd prefer that and modded drivers over nVidia's stuff

 

[Radical Vision]

U are god damn right about how durable Intel GPUs are, but they are useless sadly... Too bad there was no model with Radeon... This is why i prefer T60 since it has Radeon GPU that was what on the level of Radeon 9200 i think... T61 is nice but is productivity and corporate machine, it has no strong video card to drive anything outside of the basics...

 

[starred86]

Hello again! I have a question. I was given a full set of these working glasses. Do you think they would have any use or value someday? It's clear that since I'm asking, I don't have such a monitor. I looked on second-hand sites, but I didn't find such a monitor for sale. I know that these days they would be rare, but I remember that this technology was not successful and therefore was not fashionable for a long time and it was stopped from production. Please give me information and what to do with these really useless glasses they are not even suitable for sun protection Although they might hide my eyes if I watch "The Big Bang Theory" , but unfortunately those days are long gone for me I'm not good at these things anymore!

 

[Radical Vision]

The nGreedia 3D vision was total failure, so who knows... If was me i would trade these for somerhing useful instead...

 

[masterdeejay]

From trash:
Commodore MPS-803 printer. It was in the rain, water spilled out of it and its cable was cut. After cleaning, little repairing and a few days drying it is working now but needs a new ribbon.
You can't kill a Commodore. It is like a nokia 3310.

 

[Retrorockit]

I ran GTX Titan Xp (12GB) card just fine on Windows 7 32-bit (on LGA 775) ?
Can you list games/programs that you had issues with ?
(I would like to test them next time I try to do something like this)

Win 7- 32 would help a lot by only using 3.5GB of RAM. That's all 32 bit can address. How much total RAM did you have? 16GB would be perfect for a 12GB GPU.
It doesn't cause crashes or anything, just lower fps. But Unigine Valley will stress the cached texture storage space available. That's mostly what the RAM reserve is used for AFAIK.
A lot of times this gets attributed to "bottlenecking" and is most common on 8GB systems. But I had it on a Win7-64 with a GTX1050-4gb, and a GTX1060-3GB solved it, even though an actual "bottleneck" would have been much worse. Q9550s, and X5470 Xeon were used on the bottom feeder Dell Optiplex 380 system with 2x4GB DDR3 1066.
These were rated for 2 cores, 4GB RAM. Somebody forgot to set the 95W CPU limit. A BIOS patch got LGA771 support.

 

[MaxiPro800]

A few more scores. Some are not pictured yet.

- Audigy 2 ZS Retail
- 2x ES1373 based Soundblasters (of which one is actually Ensoniq branded)
- CMI8330 ISA soundcard
- AWE64 standard, CT4380
- Gigabyte GA-60XT-A

 

[Ruru]

I have a P5Q Pro, Q9550 (thank you @MachineLearning for the donate ) and 2x HD 4890 and watercooling gear

I guess I'll do something next week....tho I have 2x E8400 and one E8500 if we need dualcore power....

A few more scores. Some are not pictured yet.

- Audigy 2 ZS Retail
- 2x ES1373 based Soundblasters (of which one is actually Ensoniq branded)
- CMI8330 ISA soundcard
- AWE64 standard, CT4380
- Gigabyte GA-60XT-A

Audigy2... damn, gimme that! ^^

 

[starred86]

I came across this card from the flea market. It is relatively well preserved and even the system starts with it, but unfortunately there is a white screen. Do you think the problem is serious? One capacitor is shaking a lot and the other small one looks cracked. Is it possible that I'm lucky and the problem is just the capacitors?

 

[Radical Vision]

That card was on me before to get to u, and all i got was dark screen with one _ on the top left corner of the monitor, but i got tired of garbage HW so i did return it to the seller, as i dont have time, space and money for shit parts... Also is both asus + nGreedia so yeah fk that.. U can get idea of what is missing, if you search online about that model, and see if something is missing on urs... I can tell u that near the sticker on top of the card there is missing metal capacitor...

My best guess is that if recap of the capacitors and fix, does not fix this crap, is prob the bios chip/ file is corrupted or something, as there are no artifacts in order to call this another dead garbage nGreedia card...

 

[MaxiPro800]

Knowing the 5800/5900/5950 series I wouldn't put it past bad RAM chips. It's one reason I avoid these and their Quadro counterparts as much as I can. And given how some sellers LOVE subpar packaging, I wouldn't be surprised if a RAM chip died during transit.

That's why I now avoid anything R300 and FX5800/5900/5950 - one less headache of troubleshooting bad decisions from both companies.

 

[Radical Vision]

I dont see how it would be bad ram/ rams chip, since it have no artifacts.... This looks like bad bios chip to me... Bad chipset/ memory always show artifacts of some sort, and here i cant see that... But what to expect from Ngreedia and asus... What is the problem with the R300 series, from what i have seen Radeon 9000 series is reliable overall, most cards i got from 9000 series "it just work", cant say that for most FX 5000 cards, specially the high end...

 

[MaxiPro800]

Look at 9700 and 9800, most of them are dead because ATI thought it was cool to apply a shim that causes improper die contact, it's main reason why 9600s have survived, because none of them had the dumb shim applied

As for FX series I have seen a lot of those 5800/5900/5950 exhibit the same solid color screens and it was always RAM chips, flashing VBIOS did not help, rarely one would show up garbled but then turn white or yellow in matter of seconds, pointing to RAM chips, on both Quadro and standard cards from other manufacturers too, not just ASUS

 

[Radical Vision]

It mostly affect Radeon 9700, as these cards are hard to find, there are way more 9800 cards, even i have one... And yes shits can happen, but that is only 1 model of card... Is not about what ATi thought to do, they do place these metal frames on many GPUs, is good to have them, as they protect the die, otherwise the core can get cooler damage, and look like K7 CPUs that had imbecile owners that made the square die oval one... But sadly there was mistake in the factory with too much glue/ rubber that resulted in that crap that happened, so it was not ATi fault, but the factory fault, that made the reference cards.... Still if i were to too my chances, i would prefer to get 9700 Pro Radeon, and try my luck with it, instead of garbage nGreedia card, that will prob kill itself...
Meanwhile nGreedia is with garbage build quality with all GEforce cards, many die, or get massive artifacts, only the Riva series cards seems to be somewhat durable...

Well that happens cuz nGreedia have bigger garbage build quality even then asus lol... I hate that brand, sure they have all the eye candy and good performance in games and drivers support is also better, but HW wise these cards are just garbage... If the rare and expensive cards i have from Ngreedia start to die for no reason one day, i will send them for repair, and sell all of their garbage and be done with it.... After all cards such as GF 6800 Ultra AGP can be sold for like what 300$....

 

[MaxiPro800]

9800s have had the same issue. 5th card shown here, I had to throw the rest away due to not being fixable at all. Stopped buying these as they're not worth fixing given the X series exist. The shims have no reason to exist as again, 9600 didn't have them and turned out fine. If ATI had figured enough that the shims do not help at all, they would've designed the 9800 and 9700 shim-less, just like 9600, and all these issues would not cause all the 9700/9800 deaths.

Not that nVidia was any more intelligent, because they thought more copper = better cooling, without taking the weight into account.

 

[Radical Vision]

Oke so u say ATi made an mistake with 9700 Pro with the metal frame on the die, then why the hell these non R300/9000 series cards dont have that kind of problem, and still have the "useless" die metal shield i wonder... Also ATi is designer as is AMD and nGreedia, they dont have factories, so blame the mess that happened mostly to 9700 Pro and to some 9800 cards to the OEM that made the cards, i believe that was Sapphire, they messed up, not ATi, since they did not have factory, AMD these days also dont have one...


Huh so many "dead" Radeons with die metal shield, one is not even Radeon.. I have more, but they have some sort of components problem... Like x1950 XTX that has blown up power element, as it says on screen to attach power cable, even if there is one present...


Gotta wonder if metal die guards are useless, why then CPUs have protective caps since Pentium 1 and AMD K6, and why the hell did ThermalRight got the balls to sell these god damn die guard frames then....

 

[MaxiPro800]

R300/350 was NOT meant to have the shim, simple as. By the time they made the X series, they learnt to thin the shim enough to make proper die contact. It's only R300/350 that should have not had the shim. If you keep saying the shim is good, explain why RV350 didn't have it? Or any other DX9 cards in the 9000 series?

Even more, why did the mobile R300 not include one either? Or the entire X1500/1650 Pro series? Or how the HD3850 and even up to 4670, none had the shim anymore?

ATI R300: Thermal Problems Caused by the Shim on FrostyTech.com

ATI R300: Thermal Problems Caused by the Shim - FrostyTech.com

www.frostytech.com

 

[Radical Vision]

Maybe cuz the cooler on the higher end 9000 cards is bigger, and also the mounting pressure is also much... Specially on the next gen R400/ x800 Radeons the mounting pressure of the cooler is insane, and is better they added the die guard... Below 9700/9800 they had cheaper cards, smaller dies, less heat ect, ect this is why they did not bother to add bigger coolers and die shields and stuff, since as usual companies dont bother too much on mid range and lower end products, like they do with higher end ones... 9700 Pro was failure with that design sadly, also the fact that this was one of the biggest killer Radeons ATi/ AMD ever pulled against nGreedia and beat them down so much, and in the same time they had that design flaw is so strange... Still even with this crap, if someone find 9700 Pro that does not work, if some repairs are done, and the chip is still working, even if the whole card is not, after the fix it will be good as new...

Also note, what would happen if on the Radeon 9500/ 9600 they added big coolers with great mounting pressure, and NO metal die shield, would the cards be ok, prob but some may die... Shields are needed for multiple reasons, protection from the cooler, protection from imbecile users, that would brake parts of the die, since they cant properly repaste/ clean GPU without doing much dmg to it...

It may sucks what happened with 9700 Pro, since it is Legendary card, one of the very few that managed to trash nGreedia, but welp shit happens... After 9000 series, most cards at some point got the DIE shields, look at modern cards after Radeon HD3000 series, every higher end card do have the die protection for obvious reasons..

I wont crucify ATi (is not their fault as i said, they dont have factories huh), for that crap that happened, as we have seen over the years sooo many big companies fk ups it is insane... What about the GEforce 7, and mostly 8 and 9 series bumpgate, law suits, ton of dead desktop, mobile GPUs and whatever... That is the real shit, not that the OEM for ATi made that dumb mistake, to add too much rubber glue to the damn die shield, resulting in no cooler contact..


Ok and why GPUs AFTER Radeon HD3000 series, all of them have the damn DIE shield then ?

 

[MaxiPro800]

Show me a HD4670 (highest end for AGP) with a die shield, I'll wait.