NVIDIA Reportedly Limiting Press Access to GeForce RTX 5060 Drivers - Suggesting Late Arrival of Reviews

[JustBenching]

While I agree with this, I have to give full credit to @Bwaze - they're known as the Graphics Mafia for a reason, you know. I genuinely believe that Nvidia generally has the superior products throughout the stack, with certain exceptions (for example, the 9070 XT at MSRP is an unbeatable product, and even at around $900 for models like the Nitro+, still palatable) - at least if you are a Windows gamer.

What I will never defend is this type of conduct. They know they are losing ground, and they know that they are dealing with a botched launch and plenty negative feedback, as impressive as the RTX 5090 is... that's it. The other cards aren't anywhere near that tasty, and they know it. Which is why they will now attempt to make things difficult at every turn - it's honestly bad PR, it won't help their case any.

GPU shrinkflation is hitting the 60 tier mercilessly ever since they started to sell tiny dies that should go on the successors to the 1030 and 1050 and x60 and x60 Ti. This generation will be the worst yet in that department.

I didn't particularly like (actually I disliked) the 5090 with a passion. Got one as a gift and send it back. But that's besides the point, we should stop treating companies as though they should be the beacons of light of ethics. They shouldn't, just like we aren't. If they don't feel that publicity won't do them any good, they will stop sending samples. Especially after watching a recent ltt video - suddenly youtubers feel super entitled - it's kinda gross. Like watch this guy, he thinks companies actually OWE him something, and I find that kind of attitude super repulsive.

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[Bwaze]

The sites shutting down have nothing to do with it. I can name 5 tech companies that shut down, then Ill blame reviewers for it. What the heck man? Actually it's much more likely (we have actual examples) of companies shutting down because of very bad reviews. Ask LTT, he knows a lot about it.

The sites shutting down have everything to do with it. Not receiving review samples because you didn’t blindly parrot the advertisement and actually do the critical review. Taking the flak from the community because company fanboys accuse you of being mean to the brand they identify with. Their beefs with companies, withdrawals of review samples, attacks from fanboys are well documented.

It’s not really an equal sided cooperation between let’s say Nvidia and reviewers. With 60 billion US dollars of yearly revenue one side could literally hire a group of mercenaries, shut the undesirable review sites down by “terminating their contract to the fullest extent of fine print”, pay the fines for accidentally ordering hits…

And we’d still have people commenting Nvidia had every right to stop these parasites ruining their reputation by “crapping on their product”.

 

[JustBenching]

The sites shutting down have everything to do with it. Not receiving review samples because you didn’t blindly parrot the advertisement and actually do the critical review. Taking the flak from the community because company fanboys accuse you of being mean to the brand they identify with. Their beefs with companies, withdrawals of review samples, attacks from fanboys are well documented.

It’s not really an equal sided cooperation between let’s say Nvidia and reviewers. With 60 billion US dollars of yearly revenue one side could literally hire a group of mercenaries, shut the undesirable review sites down by “terminating their contract to the fullest extent of fine print”, pay the fines for accidentally ordering hits…

Nvidia isn't the only company. You are being specific, im being general. There was a company that was making custom coolers for gpus, they send a super expensive prototype to LTT, they reviewed the cooler on the wrong graphics card (LOL!) and he concluded it's crap - don't buy it - not worth the money. Company shut down even though it turns out their product is good, assuming you use it on the card you are supposed to. Why would that company, assuming they were still around - send another product for review at the same guy? See, there are always 2 sides to a story.

 

[Bwaze]

Nvidia isn't the only company. You are being specific, im being general. There was a company that was making custom coolers for gpus, they send a super expensive prototype to LTT, they reviewed the card on the wrong graphics card (LOL!) and he concluded it's crap - don't buy it - not worth the money. Company shut down even though it turns out their product is good, assuming you use it on the card you are supposed to. Why would that company, assuming they were still around - send another product for review at the same guy? See, there are always 2 sides to a story.

Sure, and I have never looked at Linus with the same eyes from that total fiasco. But he was always more of an entertainer than serious reviewer, and his mistakes in reviews were called on by other reviewers on multiple times.

 

[JustBenching]

Sure, and I have never looked at Linus with the same eyes from that total fiasco. But he was always more of an entertainer than serious reviewer, and his mistakes in reviews were called on by other reviewers on multiple times.

Ok, and im asking. If that company announced that they won't be sending free samples to LTT anymore, is that bad? Does that make the company immoral? Does it mean their product is crap and they are trying to hide it? Or does it just mean said reviewer is either incompetent or has an agenda?

 

[Bwaze]

Ok, and im asking. If that company announced that they won't be sending free samples to LTT anymore, is that bad? Does that make the company immoral? Does it mean their product is crap and they are trying to hide it? Or does it just mean said reviewer is either incompetent or has an agenda?

You do know we’re discussing this under the article on how Nvidia is (allegedly, TechPowerUP doesn’t dare to write their own position) denying EVERY reviewer a chance to test and publish a review on the date of product release and NDA expiration?

You don’t have to invent situations in your head. You’re experiencing one.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I didn't particularly like (actually I disliked) the 5090 with a passion. Got one as a gift and send it back. But that's besides the point, we should stop treating companies as though they should be the beacons of light of ethics. They shouldn't, just like we aren't. If they don't feel that publicity won't do them any good, they will stop sending samples. Especially after watching a recent ltt video - suddenly youtubers feel super entitled - it's kinda gross. Like watch this guy, he thinks companies actually OWE him something, and I find that kind of attitude super repulsive.

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Well, Nvidia has been the company that has been targeting reviewers, either directly or indirectly. I don't hold long term grudges, but I will say that I fully remember the 2020 stunt with Hardware Unboxed and that indeed did leave a sour taste in my mouth, and I would be a big fat liar if I said that didn't spook me.

What it does not, however, is affect my decision making process. I only purchased a 5090 because of the large gulf in performance between it and the 4090, which itself has another large gulf in performance between it and... pretty much everything else. With the performance lead of the RTX 5090 over the duo of Radeon 9070 GPUs approaching the triple digit realm (not an overstatement, it is 90%+ and comfortably surpassing 110% if comparing to the 9070), even if all of the advantages from the Nvidia ecosystem were simply removed from the equation, it'd still be the only card I'd look at. I had a 4080 last generation because I couldn't afford the 4090, having bought a super expensive G-series OLED and upgrading platform that same year. Still, I got a nice, expensive 4080 that would have high resale value, and that has worked in my favor.

If the shop I bought my 5090 from hadn't honored it (and I got one of the few "MSRP" cards in my country) - I would have probably purchased a 9070 XT instead. It's the "interesting" GPU this generation - and truly, I understand you. 600 W behemoths aren't for everyone, not even for power users and enthusiasts alike. A 5080 can be safely argued to be a more sensible, and even safer, choice.

 

[Red Hood]

@W1zzard Have you been sent any 5060s from nvidia's partners or same situation as 5060ti 8gb?

 

[chrcoluk]

Sensible to not buy at launch anyway.

 

[Onasi]

Honestly, at this point I am not even sure how much the reviews, written or video, even affect NVidias market position. I would say they do not. The 4060 is the bestselling Ada card and that wasn’t reviewed particularly well. Hell, the 3050 sold well and seemingly continues to sell and I have not seen anyone in the reviewer or enthusiast space talk kindly about THAT one. So basically, the reviewers are in a no win scenario - they can’t really affect NV in any real way, but NV can do whatever they like with basically no consequences. Benefits of being an overwhelming market leader bordering on a monopoly, I suppose.

 

[blinnbanir]

Am I now? I hadn't realized. Please enlighten me, on how I am an undying Nvidia supporter who will defend them at every turn. I don't believe I have ever made a single post where I didn't justify myself.

I have not been here long but all you need to is read your History. I know I have and have seen you attacking AMD like no other Company. I love how you are also one of those people that now think AMD are good only because they have caught Nvidia with FSR4 looking good. Too bad the truth is that if you have a 7900 series card you don't need too use FSR. Just like how a lot of review sites tried to color it as such. Why are you commenting on the 5060 anyway when you are waiting for your 5090 to arrive so you can show how much better Nvidia is. Too bad the truth is they actually believed their own story and have released products that are so power demanding they are melting thermal pads. Have serious driver issues, software is still not great, 12V HPWR issues and how many revisions. Then the best Sapphire showing the rest of them how to put the 12VhPWR on a GPU. You cannot change your stripes now. Team Green has been your sword for years.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I have not been here long but all you need to is read your History. I know I have and have seen you attacking AMD like no other Company. I love how you are also one of those people that now think AMD are good only because they have caught Nvidia with FSR4 looking good. Too bad the truth is that if you have a 7900 series card you don't need too use FSR. Just like how a lot of review sites tried to color it as such. Why are you commenting on the 5060 anyway when you are waiting for your 5090 to arrive so you can show how much better Nvidia is. Too bad the truth is they actually believed their own story and have released products that are so power demanding they are melting thermal pads. Have serious driver issues, software is still not great, 12V HPWR issues and how many revisions. Then the best Sapphire showing the rest of them how to put the 12VhPWR on a GPU. You cannot change your stripes now. Team Green has been your sword for years.

See, this is why you need to actually read what I write. Have I ever called this launch anything other than a disaster? I haven't. You seem under the presumption that AMD and Nvidia are equal. They aren't. AMD's a CPU company that does graphics on the side nowadays and that shows. Nv is becoming an AI company first too and it also shows.

I'm commenting on the 5060 thread because I can, and I've gotten my 5090 a month ago. And don't go thinking a "7900" is so high and mighty beyond the need of upscalers. That's delusional, too. Even FSR, including 4, doesn't exactly hold it against DLSS. None of this is a lie, just goes against your favoritism and/or (misguided) beliefs.

 

[Athlonite]

Hi my names nVidia and my pronouns are RTX/FU