Z790 mb can adjust power limit on non k cpus

[gasolin]

Im now on a i3 14100 and a 5060 ti 16gb + 32gb ddr5 6400mhz cl 32

I thought power limit where locked on my Z790 mb with a non k cpu, so i got the 14100, but isn't, great i can adjust the power limit of a non k cpu

So now i can get a different cpu if i need to, small bottleneck with my currrent setup

12600k(f), 13400(f),14400(f) is the low budget cpus to got if it's socket 1700

What cpu would be the best performance vs price

The thing is if i use intel extreme tuning utility i even stock get edp,current limit with a 14100 so power limit has to go up

105 and 125 watt = no edp,current limit, 10 cores or higher i would have a limit if not being able to adjust power limit

Power limit is so low when doing demanding things or mabye gaming, the power limit is to low and it won't run at max speed when gaming og demanding tasks, even if i had a 420mm aio to make shure it won't go higher than, let's say 60c

 

[SuperMacro]

I would wait for another Amazon sale on 12700kf, it was 154 last month. 8 P cores and turn off E Cores.
Use ID Frozn A620 cooler for $30 and should be able to all core turbo the 8 cores no problem, it won't be 60 in blender or Intel Extreme. (I like Throttlestop utility better btw). But when gaming should be fine for temps.

Undervolt might be your friend for temps, EDP limit exceed you need to raise AMP limit on IA if I remember correctly. Not pl1 pl2.

I would buy 14700 non k used at ~$200-220 before getting an AIO and a 6 P core processor. It has high high clocks and 8 P cores. Built 2 for friends last year using Phantom Spirit 7 pipe cooler, was OK to about 200w, which should do 5ghz maybe 5.2 on 8 P cores.

 

[gasolin]

it's pl 1 and pl2

 

[SuperMacro]

I would wait for another Amazon sale on 12700kf, it was 154 last month. 8 P cores and turn off E Cores.
Use ID Frozn A620 cooler for $30 and should be able to all core turbo the 8 cores no problem, it won't be 60 in blender or Intel Extreme. (I like Throttlestop utility better btw). But when gaming should be fine for temps.

Undervolt might be your friend for temps, EDP limit exceed you need to raise AMP limit on IA if I remember correctly. Not pl1 pl2.

it's pl 1 and pl2

If you are hitting EDP limit you have to check the Icc Max Amps as well. PL1 and 2 are for your cooling system limits.

You ideally want to undervolt and tune your max Ghz so you aren't throttling, and depending on your workload (Example 8 P cores for gaming can result in better performance.)

 

[Zazigalka]

non-k skus never ever had locked PL, just the multiplier.

 

[SuperMacro]

non-k skus never ever had locked PL, just the multiplier.

Which is why my 14700 systems were beasts, the clocks were already very high and the non-k was easily doing 250w on Blender. I think I saw a 24 second BMW render, impressive for a $240 processor over a year ago.

 

[gasolin]

non-k skus never ever had locked PL, just the multiplier.

I didn't know it

also i thought you needed a z mb to adjust power limit

I would wait for another Amazon sale on 12700kf, it was 154 last month. 8 P cores and turn off E Cores.
Use ID Frozn A620 cooler for $30 and should be able to all core turbo the 8 cores no problem, it won't be 60 in blender or Intel Extreme. (I like Throttlestop utility better btw). But when gaming should be fine for temps.

Undervolt might be your friend for temps, EDP limit exceed you need to raise AMP limit on IA if I remember correctly. Not pl1 pl2.

I would buy 14700 non k used at ~$200-220 before getting an AIO and a 6 P core processor. It has high high clocks and 8 P cores. Built 2 for friends last year using Phantom Spirit 7 pipe cooler, was OK to about 200w, which should do 5ghz maybe 5.2 on 8 P cores.

It's a budget build and a 13400f is 120 euros, a 14700f is 350 ish euros,400 dollars

After looking thru videos i desisded i get the chepar cpue a 13400f since theer isn't much difference between the 13400f and 14400f

somtimes the 13400f has best o.1 lows and sometimes it's the 13400f 125 euros with shipping

im not gonna oc but i am gonna optimize power limit

Thread can be considered closed

 

[SuperMacro]

It's a budget build and a 13400f is 120 euros, a 14700f is 350 ish euros,400 dollars

After looking thru videos i desisded i get the chepar cpue a 13400f since theer isn't much difference between the 13400f and 14400f

somtimes the 13400f has best o.1 lows and sometimes it's the 13400f 125 euros with shipping

Oh, different markets, 13400 is a good budget choice.

 

[gasolin]

I just had the other day a cam chat open (i forgot to close) a twitch stream and was playing project cars 2, boom 100% cpu usage (strange behaviour when braking)

I quickly realized the cam chat wasn't closed, closed, cpu usage was down by 25-30%

Having a little more power for situations where i have things running, i forget to close when open a game, shouldn't effect my gaming, which it did

A slightly cheaper 12400f isn't really huge upgrade 12600k(f) more single core performance but higher power consumption (who wants to down clock and undervolt by staock values to be able to have a cool cpu, stock power or oc for more power)

Everything else is to expensive,to power hungry for a budget build with focus on silence and enough vram and system ram

13400f over a 14400f do to price and performance (all videos do use a higher tier gpu than i have, so only in that situation i think a 14400f somtimes is faster by a little margin)

I just hop i can adjust power limit so thottlestop and intel extreme utility don't show power limits, ecp,current limit

 

[gasolin]

13400f mounted and power limit is adjusted from 65 to 125 watt and stock (148) short max power, it's even cooler than my i3 14100

 

[docnorth]

I don't know how many p-cores you want, but the 14600K(F) seems like the best option for a budget friendly upgrade and still manageable by your board.

Edit, I saw you installed the 13400F, good low-budget choice and only 100MHz below 14400. Btw @W1zzard reviewed this CPU, iirc it stays <90w even with power limits removed.

 

[gasolin]

pl1 limit unless i raise power limit to 125 watt

worse case senario max heat prime 95

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Pl1 and Pl2 is short, and long duration. You can raise the wattage, but that doesn't change the frequency. So it's not necessary. If you bclk, raise the LLC instead.

Aside that,
The only logical purchase is to aim for higher p-core frequency. 12600/k/f 13600kf k jk mj and 14600K / F / KF. Not much in between, just a sprinkle of e-cores here and there.

 

[gasolin]

it was pl limit, it can if it runs lower then stock specs (mhz)

Stock it shouldn't even be power limit or edp other or currency limit stock, it was

Raising it fixed it

I just wanted more power,more cores, i don't wanna oc and it's actually cooler than the 14100 i had, chagning to a 14400 it should be even hotter than a 14100 + lower price is why a 13400f

Don't know why a 14100 is hotter than a 13400f

Sometimes a 13400 is better in 0.1 % lows and sometimes it's the 14400