AMD Debuts Radeon RX 9070 XT and RX 9070 Powered by RDNA 4, and FSR 4

[Marsil]

Has to be a joke

AMD dropped the ball hard this gen. Fact that they didn't even present RDNA4 and FSR4 during the CES is a testament to the fact they have capitulated !

This doesn't look like a joke to me!!,
9070 XT dropped the ball hard on 5070 ti

 

[TSiAhmat]

This doesn't look like a joke to me!!,
9070 XT dropped the ball hard on 5070 ti

Probably driver issues, 5080 performance is below the 4080 super

Also "dropped the ball hard" is more of an expression (at least in my experience) if someone failed at something they were obviously capable of.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This doesn't look like a joke to me!!,
9070 XT dropped the ball hard on 5070 ti

Unusual for me to say this, but TechSpot/Hardware Unboxed data (same people behind the site and the channel) for launch coverage of that game is pretty much to be disregarded, they tested it on a driver that has known performance problems with the game. Their performance matches no other publications, they have the weakest Nvidia results of every single reviewer out there and curiously enough, the strongest AMD setup, too. Their results are outliers, and seem to punch quite above TPU's as well

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It's still a good showing from the 9070 XT, but... don't let it get to your head.

 

[Hecate91]

Probably driver issues, 5080 performance is below the 4080 super

Also "dropped the ball hard" is more of an expression (at least in my experience) if someone failed at something they were obviously capable of.

According to HUB, Nvidia wanted reviewers to test Doom: The Dark Ages early, so Nvidia really dropped the ball just to beat AMD on testing. Nvidia is well capable of providing stable drivers, but all of their focus and QA is on datacenter & AI.

The funny thing is all of the excuses for drivers is ridiculous, AMD had drivers working fine for Doom with 25.5.1.

 

[TSiAhmat]

According to HUB, Nvidia wanted reviewers to test Doom: The Dark Ages early, so Nvidia really dropped the ball just to beat AMD on testing. Nvidia is well capable of providing stable drivers, but all of their focus and QA is on datacenter & AI.

Yes, but he implied that AMD (9070xt) dropped the ball not NVIDIA (5070ti).

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Getting Drivers to work correctly again seems to me like a big undertaking. Fixing the holes & than finding out which new ones opened because of that.

 

[AusWolf]

According to HUB, Nvidia wanted reviewers to test Doom: The Dark Ages early, so Nvidia really dropped the ball just to beat AMD on testing. Nvidia is well capable of providing stable drivers, but all of their focus and QA is on datacenter & AI.

The funny thing is all of the excuses for drivers is ridiculous, AMD had drivers working fine for Doom with 25.5.1.

Nvidia fans every time a new game comes out: "Boo hoo, AMD doesn't have day 1 drivers!"

Look at the situation now.

AMD doesn't need day 1 drivers to begin with.

 

[JustBenching]

Unusual for me to say this, but TechSpot/Hardware Unboxed data (same people behind the site and the channel) for launch coverage of that game is pretty much to be disregarded, they tested it on a driver that has known performance problems with the game. Their performance matches no other publications, they have the weakest Nvidia results of every single reviewer out there and curiously enough, the strongest AMD setup, too. Their results are outliers, and seem to punch quite above TPU's as well

DOOM: The Dark Ages Performance Benchmark Review - 40 GPUs Tested

DOOM: The Dark Ages is coming soon, offering an amazing first-person shooter experience with fantastic graphics. The game introduces the brand-new id Tech 8 engine, which improves support for ray-tracing. In our performance review, we examine its graphical fidelity, VRAM usage, and how well it...

www.techpowerup.com

It's still a good showing from the 9070 XT, but... don't let it get to your head.

But HUB is anti amd and pro nvidia

 

[Dr. Dro]

According to HUB, Nvidia wanted reviewers to test Doom: The Dark Ages early, so Nvidia really dropped the ball just to beat AMD on testing. Nvidia is well capable of providing stable drivers, but all of their focus and QA is on datacenter & AI.

The funny thing is all of the excuses for drivers is ridiculous, AMD had drivers working fine for Doom with 25.5.1.

You're omitting the detail that the press did get access to 576.40 before its public release, and Nvidia has made it available in time for the advance access for buyers of the Premium Edition of the game, which starts... in 4 hours from now. W1zzard has specifically mentioned an "impressive performance improvement" on this game across all hardware generations with it compared with the first press release, which is what HUB/TechSpot used in their testing. Using a known faulty press driver that no one will ever get their hands on and justifying the performance figures on that alone is not exactly vested in honesty.

AMD doesn't need day 1 drivers to begin with.

Sorry, but no. What you're tasting here for the first time is precisely that, the amount of targeted fixes and tuning optimizations being released for the RX 9000 series right now is something that would make your jaw drop. It's not only for new games, either, there have been bug fixes targeting the HL1 GoldSrc engine as recently as 25.5.1. I'm very impressed. On the flip side, we all know it hasn't been Nvidia's day since the 50 series came out.

My only regret is that they didn't have a suitable upgrade to offer me coming from the RTX 4080 this generation. I'm really hopeful for UDNA.

 

[AusWolf]

Sorry, but no. What you're tasting here for the first time is precisely that, the amount of targeted fixes and tuning optimizations being released for the RX 9000 series right now is something that would make your jaw drop. It's not only for new games, either, there have been bug fixes targeting the HL1 GoldSrc engine as recently as 25.5.1. I'm very impressed. On the flip side, we all know it hasn't been Nvidia's day since the 50 series came out.

My only regret is that they didn't have a suitable upgrade to offer me coming from the RTX 4080 this generation. I'm really hopeful for UDNA.

You're not wrong, but kinda missed my point. Sure, optimisations and bug fixes are nice, but you don't need to install a new driver every time a new game comes out on AMD. I thought this was the same on Nvidia, and "game ready" drivers were a gimmick, but this new Doom seems to be an outlier (or the new norm?).

 

[Dr. Dro]

You're not wrong, but kinda missed my point. Sure, optimisations and bug fixes are nice, but you don't need to install a new driver every time a new game comes out on AMD. I thought this was the same on Nvidia, and "game ready" drivers were a gimmick, but this new Doom seems to be an outlier (or the new norm?).

It is an outlier, actually. Most games work just fine unless your drivers are very old, the GRD is like "here, get 5-10% free performance", the R570/575 drivers are just in horrible shape. The timing made sense, release a branch with major code changes alongside a new major GPU, the only problem is that they are deploying too many changes too fast.

They've also made a decision with CUDA recently that has been on my mind, beginning with Compute Capability 9.0 hardware (40 series is CC 8.9, 50 is CC 12.0 HW), they are no longer going to guarantee full forwards compatibility with instructions that were established on previous CUDA versions... I see a big, big shitstorm brewing here.

 

[JustBenching]

It is an outlier, actually. Most games work just fine unless your drivers are very old, the GRD is like "here, get 5-10% free performance", the R570/575 drivers are just in horrible shape. The timing made sense, release a branch with major code changes alongside a new major GPU, the only problem is that they are deploying too many changes too fast.

They've also made a decision with CUDA recently that has been on my mind, beginning with Compute Capability 9.0 hardware (40 series is CC 8.9, 50 is CC 12.0 HW), they are no longer going to guarantee full forwards compatibility with instructions that were established on previous CUDA versions... I see a big, big shitstorm brewing here.

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Im using 566.03, released on the 22nd of October last year. Everything works...fine?