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TPM 2.0 and older AM4 Ryzen CPUs

AveragePentium4User

AveragePentium4User

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Processor Intel Core i5 3330
Motherboard Intel H61 LGA 1155
Memory 2x8GB DDR3 1600mhz
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 980 GAMING
Storage WesternDigital NVMe SN530 256GB
so, im running a LGA1155 pc thats way overdue for an upgrade (the i5 3330 is a big bottleneck for my GTX980)

and i plan on switching to team red, and also going to W11, i dont play alot of games, mostly Assetto Corsa, CS2 and Valorant, and the problem regards Valorant, in specific, its anticheat,
when Vanguard is running on Win11 and it detects that TPM2.0 isnt ON or present at all it'll just close the game and refuse to run
so when i upgrade i wanna make sure that i dont get this compatibility problem, but everything about compatibility abt this TPM thing is confusing, so lets say i get a B550 board with a Ryzen5 2600, is the TPM thing on the board or on the cpu? if its on the cpu then i should get a newer cpu and a older chipset wont matter much?
 
All Zen 1 and onward CPUs have fTPM. They all should work just fine on Windows 11. Technically, MS tries to BS that they don’t officially support Zen 1, but they just didn’t validate it, it would still work. Your proposed combo of B550 and Zen+ will be just fine.
 
i have a tight budget so i cant get a newer cpu, i just wanna get a nice B550 Mobo cause in the future i plan on getting a high end Ryzen (like a 5800x, maybe a X3D chip) but mostly for PCIe 4.0 (the 980 shows its age, and 4GB is on the limit nowadays)

so a B550 and any Ryzen chip from generation 2000 and onwards should work right?
 
thank you very much
 
It will work surely but I strongly recommend going for a 3600 instead of 2600 because it's so much faster. I know you're on a tight budget but is it really hurtful to pay 30 dollars more?
 
Macro Device said:
It will work surely but I strongly recommend going for a 3600 instead of 2600 because it's so much faster. I know you're on a tight budget but is it really hurtful to pay 30 dollars more?
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i mean its tight but i guess i could stretch it a bit, i just didnt want to like, spend alot on a cpu that i wont use for long, i already bought a 750w psu, a bigger case with fans, theres a 240mm aio arriving soon, and ill buy the mobo, cpu and ram sticks all in one go, every part of this upgrade is meant for the big guns thats to come, a 8core ryzen 7, a much needed gpu with pcie gen 4, so i tought i could save a bit more on the cpu for now
 
Well in that case you could probably get a Ryzen 1200 or even 1400 for essentially free. It'll still be significantly faster than your i5.
 
you may ask, why all that if i only play Val, CS2, AC, well theres a few reasons, one is that i plan on creating content, youtube videos, maybe streaming, second is that i always had the potato pc on my friend group, so i wanna get a nice machine now that i can actually afford it, and 3rd is that i wanna have a better pc than my best friend cause, yeah


Macro Device said:
Well in that case you could probably get a Ryzen 1200 or even 1400 for essentially free. It'll still be significantly faster than your i5.
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but wont that bottleneck my 980 still?, Assetto Corsa goes hard on the cpu, so i dont wanna be cpu limited anymore
 
but the 3600wouldnt right?
 
dir_d said:
3600 is the lowest i would go but i would go for a 5600 or one of the x3d chips if you can find them low enough
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yeah but thats a short term deal, i do plan on getting like a 57-5800X3D
 
AveragePentium4User said:
yeah but thats a short term deal, i do plan on getting like a 57-5800X3D
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A 2600 will definitely keep up with a 980, especially given that the 980 is half the speed of the 6700 XT and the 6700 XT was OK with a 2600.
 
@ topic poster.

B550 has also some drawbacks.

In 2025 I would buy the cheapest B450 / B550 / X570 / was it called X470 mainboard with proper components and warranty.

I sold ryzen 5800x / MSI B550 gaming edge wifi + 2x really very good overclocking 2x32Gib DDR4 DRAM.
That box is worse now with my current box. Two years ago my current ryzen 7600x / X670 platform +2x32Gib was a sidegrade

I would ignore those people who say buy a ryzen 1000 series cpu. That silicion has a lots of "defects". Reference: check all the fine details with the gnu userspace and the linux kernel. It has a reason why the 1000 ryzen series are not in windows 11 pro in my point of view. I would never use any ryzen 1000 cpu.

do not waste your money on an useless b550 mainboard. That was already bad when i bought it at the end of lifecycle of Am4 when the ryzen 7000 cpus did not exist. I'll not go into details. Mainboard manual gives details. Lots of pages exists about Am4.

Note: I read that topic before on my android tablet.

I assume the topic poster sits on ddr3 dram.

In Austria there exists cheap 8Gib DRAM DDR5 modules. As worse as most DDR4 DRAM. Similar size. Do not take the most expensive ones - i talk about the really low end modules without headspreader, low specs, low speed.
There are cheap AM5 mainboards. Same as worse as B550. I did compare a lot mainboards with my previous am4 platform.
ryzen 7500f / 7600 are expensive. There are even cheaper 8000 ryzen apus which are as worse as any ryzen 2000 in my point of view.

I'm well aware of that 25€ am4 mainboards still exists, new old stock.

Personally I would not pay more than 50€ for any ryzen 3000 cpu + any B450 or better mainboard + any 2x8Gib DDR4 dram as a hole pacakge. Lots of security issues and lots of bug fixes which makes those processors slow. EOL platform with only a limited time frame for any security fixes and uefi updates. i bought ryzen 3 3300 for ~30€ and sold it for the same price early 2023. 8Gib DRAM DDR4 was early 2023 bought and sold for 5€ or 10€ (not sure anymore - i think it was 5€) New mainboard was 25€ = that was regularly for a usable mainboard
 
Hey OP,
I personally disagree with a lot of the hardware suggestions given before.

You should get a cheap used i5 8400 pulled from a prebuilt or something and a cheap H310 motherboard and call it a day.

The above would/should be cheaper than Ryzen (or at least it is for me locally).

AveragePentium4User said:
i already bought a 750w psu, a bigger case with fans, theres a 240mm aio arriving soon,
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Other than the PSU (if your old PSU was a lower quality unit), none of these were technically required, especially not the AIO.

For AM4 - 5700x3D, 5900x , 5950x /590/xt
For AM5 - 7600, 7900, 9800x3D

The cheapest B550 motherboard that's half decent is MSI B550M Pro VDH Wifi.
 
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I think the topic poster mentioned windows 11. I have a different opinion as someone else months ago

There is even a newer list for windows 11 24h2 "system requirement". I doubt the intel 8th gen is on the 24h2 intel list. My previous notebook was also not on that list anymore.

I think the motivation between the lines is EOL of windows 10 most likely. See the title TPM 2 ... See post 1 please
 
jnv11 said:
Seeing https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/31/linus_torvalds_ftpm/ , https://www.tomshardware.com/news/linus-torvalds-amd-ftpm-errors , and https://www.phoronix.com/news/Torvalds-fTPM-RNG-Woes suggested to me that you would be well-served by getting a motherboard that supports either a built-in dTPM or a dTPM daughtercard and also buying and installing such a daughtercard instead of using the fTPM to dodge AMD's fTPM issues if you want TPM support on AMD.
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They may have fixed that issue since then. I have an fTPM on my main sim rig and I haven't had any problems with it.
 
_roman_ said:
@ topic poster.

B550 has also some drawbacks.

In 2025 I would buy the cheapest B450 / B550 / X570 / was it called X470 mainboard with proper components and warranty.

I sold ryzen 5800x / MSI B550 gaming edge wifi + 2x really very good overclocking 2x32Gib DDR4 DRAM.
That box is worse now with my current box. Two years ago my current ryzen 7600x / X670 platform +2x32Gib was a sidegrade

I would ignore those people who say buy a ryzen 1000 series cpu. That silicion has a lots of "defects". Reference: check all the fine details with the gnu userspace and the linux kernel. It has a reason why the 1000 ryzen series are not in windows 11 pro in my point of view. I would never use any ryzen 1000 cpu.

do not waste your money on an useless b550 mainboard. That was already bad when i bought it at the end of lifecycle of Am4 when the ryzen 7000 cpus did not exist. I'll not go into details. Mainboard manual gives details. Lots of pages exists about Am4.

Note: I read that topic before on my android tablet.

I assume the topic poster sits on ddr3 dram.

In Austria there exists cheap 8Gib DRAM DDR5 modules. As worse as most DDR4 DRAM. Similar size. Do not take the most expensive ones - i talk about the really low end modules without headspreader, low specs, low speed.
There are cheap AM5 mainboards. Same as worse as B550. I did compare a lot mainboards with my previous am4 platform.
ryzen 7500f / 7600 are expensive. There are even cheaper 8000 ryzen apus which are as worse as any ryzen 2000 in my point of view.

I'm well aware of that 25€ am4 mainboards still exists, new old stock.

Personally I would not pay more than 50€ for any ryzen 3000 cpu + any B450 or better mainboard + any 2x8Gib DDR4 dram as a hole pacakge. Lots of security issues and lots of bug fixes which makes those processors slow. EOL platform with only a limited time frame for any security fixes and uefi updates. i bought ryzen 3 3300 for ~30€ and sold it for the same price early 2023. 8Gib DRAM DDR4 was early 2023 bought and sold for 5€ or 10€ (not sure anymore - i think it was 5€) New mainboard was 25€ = that was regularly for a usable mainboard
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yeah but i wanna get a B550 cause PCIe 4.0, the GTX980 is a fairly old card, and when i upgrade that i want something that obviously performs better and has better energy efficiency

yes im still on DDR3, LGA1155

i live in brazil and because of import tax, computer hardware is really expensive here so am5 could be a thing but i would get like, A620Mobo, cheapest Ryzen3, and DDR5
that would be atleast 30% more expensive than the proposed hardware i had in mind and maybe having lower performance

i did a quick search, and got the Ryzen5 8400f as example, in brazil i could find it cheapest for BRL899 (160usd direct conversion) while in amazon i found it for 135usd, really hard to justify buying AM5/1700/1851 in brazil unless you earn some good money (keep in mind that the average brazilian earns 2000brl a month (thats 350usd or so)

lambda said:
Hey OP,
I personally disagree with a lot of the hardware suggestions given before.

You should get a cheap used i5 8400 pulled from a prebuilt or something and a cheap H310 motherboard and call it a day.

The above would/should be cheaper than Ryzen (or at least it is for me locally).



Other than the PSU (if your old PSU was a lower quality unit), none of these were technically required, especially not the AIO.

For AM4 - 5700x3D, 5900x , 5950x /590/xt
For AM5 - 7600, 7900, 9800x3D

The cheapest B550 motherboard that's half decent is MSI B550M Pro VDH Wifi.
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yeah but these 8th/9th gen prebuilt kits aint gonna cut cause i plan on creating content, a 4/4 8th gen i5 aint gonna handle both a game and OBS recording at the same time
the psu i had to upgrade cause the one i had was a pretty dangerous unit
the aio is cause i was planning on having a high end AM4 Ryzen7 cpu, so i tought better get safe now
 
AveragePentium4User said:
yeah but i wanna get a B550 cause PCIe 4.0, the GTX980 is a fairly old card, and when i upgrade that i want something that obviously performs better and has better energy efficiency

yes im still on DDR3, LGA1155

i live in brazil and because of import tax, computer hardware is really expensive here so am5 could be a thing but i would get like, A620Mobo, cheapest Ryzen3, and DDR5
that would be atleast 30% more expensive than the proposed hardware i had in mind and maybe having lower performance

i did a quick search, and got the Ryzen5 8400f as example, in brazil i could find it cheapest for BRL899 (160usd direct conversion) while in amazon i found it for 135usd, really hard to justify buying AM5/1700/1851 in brazil unless you earn some good money (keep in mind that the average brazilian earns 2000brl a month (thats 350usd or so)
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In that case, AM4 is a great platform when it comes to value and longevity. It also seems like it should be more affordable where you are. Just remember with AM4 you can go up to a 16c/32t 5900X! You can also use DDR4 with AM4 which is much cheaper than DDR5, at least in the US.
 
yeah, but i think that for AM4 a R9 5900X would only make sense for workstation stuff, the 5800X3D should be a great chip for both content creation and gaming
and ddr4 ram is much cheaper, i can find a XPG D35 new 2x8GB 3200mhz pair for 240brl (40usd)

maybe 40usd on a 2x8GB DDR4 kit is really expensive for yall in better developed countries, but for Brazil standards its a fairly good deal, i could get one of those cheaper sticks w/o heatsink, 2400mhz from ali and stuff but dont really trust these parts
 
AveragePentium4User said:
yeah, but i think that for AM4 a R9 5900X would only make sense for workstation stuff, the 5800X3D should be a great chip for both content creation and gaming
and ddr4 ram is much cheaper, i can find a XPG D35 new 2x8GB 3200mhz pair for 240brl (40usd)

maybe 40usd on a 2x8GB DDR4 kit is really expensive for yall in better developed countries, but for Brazil standards its a fairly good deal, i could get one of those cheaper sticks w/o heatsink, 2400mhz from ali and stuff but dont really trust these parts
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Actually, that's about the price you pay for such a kit in the US.
 
OP, if you're set on AM4 try to get a Ryzen 5 3600 at the very least. It'll be faster in most scenarios than anything Zen/Zen+ because of its much better single threaded performance.
In terms of ST, Zen is comparable with Haswell (4th gen Core), and Zen+ with Skylake (6th gen Core).
 
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