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The 9070 XT graphics are terrible

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@lilhasselhoffer
please read all post next time, and you would have seen OP said it was driver/os issue fixed after cleaning and not related to gpu hw.

@lexluthermiester
sorry, meant ppl helping in the forum that (should) know about ddu, not the OP's asking for help.

@Marcus L
lol, love how ppl tell others what to do, while neither being the parent/grandparent/partner, or mod/admin.

You know, for someone who asks that I read, you seem not to.

"...I ended up returning it, because I'm not spending $900 and regretting my choice every time I'm starting a game. They tested the card, but nothing wrong with it, it's just the way it handles games.

I purchased an overpriced 5080 Aorus Master instead. Sure enough, games look crisp again, shadows are fine, aliasing normal."


Did you maybe forget that the solution was to purchase a 5080? I mean, it's not like that's obvious. Of course, I'm betting you're referring to the eventual finding of DDU...which was part of a post where they guessed that if they were having issues with the 5080 they might also have issues with the 9070xt. For convenience it's here:
"...Of course, now I think of my Taichi 9070 XT that I wanted to love so much, and I'm fairly sure the drivers mix were the culprit too..."


The problem is that, and say it again with me, a claim made with no facts figures or proof means nothing. I could equally claim that it was the phase of the moon. The point here is that somebody made a post badmouthing a card, received pushback that this was likely a user error, finally discovered the right tools after even the people who he bought it from confirmed there was nothing wrong, and that is the thread that this is inside. No rename, no ask for assistance prior to calling the 9070 out for being an issue. This is a forum where if there'd been twenty minutes taken to open a thread half a dozen people here would have asked about cleaning the old drivers, directed them to DDU, and we might be having the discussion today that the 9070 sucked (and here are the figures) or the 9070 was great (here are the figures). The thing is, we don't have that because somebody got trigger happy and instead of asking for help started the discussion with "this thing sucks." That's what we like to call a user error.



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As an aside....let's pretend it was just drivers. Drivers say he's running a 2070 still. Game detects, and sets him up for 1920x1080 resolution on a 4k monitor. Screen stretches. Every single pixel is now 4 pixels. That 4 pixel wide pointy object is now 16 wide, and more of a blunt cudgel than a pointy spear. You call that out...as muddy and smudgy, and try to bring back the point with anti-aliasing. It does its damndest to try and make that point...but with 1 in 4 pixels worth of data the thing really doesn't have anything to work with.

The above is not a driver issue in itself. It is a detection issue, but you could manually go into the game and change settings...which for that one game would fix things. We could tell this if the GPU utilization never peaked beyond 40%, or if you took a screenshot, but there's nothing. That's the problem on a thread with the title "the 9070 xt graphics are terrible." This is not a GPU issue, it's a user issue that would take almost nothing to fix...but the title to this thread remains.

It's also an idiot issue. Not something that should be forgotten. We all have idiot moments, and all do stupid things. That said, this is a retail store Karen moment where somebody returned something not broken, was royally pissed, and despite being proven working required that they have the thing replaced. That's a bit of a bitter pill when someone wants to be taken seriously. It's also frustrating for anyone in retail or quality, who now has to spend hours tracing down all the ways this is a non-issue before the card can be resold basically at cost as a return...which is really a double shot of frustration sauce on an ice cream float made out of excrement.
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With a 9070 XT class card, all your settings can be maxed and your FPS should be through the roof for CS2. Assuming we're not being trolled, I think the OP has a defective card or something is very wrong with the driver being used. If issues like this were widespread, I feel like we would have heard about them. So my bet is on a defective card.
I mean, I also noticed 1 month ago HL2 RTX graphics are not the best on AMD. But this is more of an Nvidia tech demo, so understandable.
At least Quake II RTX finally runs fine on AMD, I get 70 FPS on 9070 which is twice as much as on 6700 XT and 20 more than on 7800 XT.
As it happens I am testing RX 9070 right now before selling it and I will try HL2 again and also CS2 and then report my findings.

It would actually be quite funny if 9070 would really have problems with shadows like OP says.
As I remember someone in 2006 saying that for X1800 GTO and Call of Juarez. He then bought a 7900 GT and probably newer changed sides again.

I also decided I will never go to AMD again:
1. OC settings not staying, MSI Afterburner on Nvidia is simply a more superior tool for OC and undervolting.
2. Too high media playback consumption. 29W on 9070 is better than 44W on 7800 XT, but Nvidia has 15W. I don't know why it needs such high memory clocks.
3. No DLSS and Frame generation.
4. Nvidia games, though only around 5 of them, run very poorly on AMD.

My brother had 9070, but bought a 50% slower 5060 Ti for the same money he will get for 9070 (it is Aorus Elite and not some cheap model). That tells you something. I already know what you will say, that he is stupid. But for him and me I guess AMD would have to be 80% better at same price, preferably same for RT performance.
 
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How could anyone here not know about ddu?
I mean, it's not like people are routinely asked to properly cleanup drivers or reinstall drivers if they install a keyboard/SSD/whatever from another manufacturer. You'd forgive a n00b for thinking video cards are a PC part like any other.
 
How could anyone here not know about ddu?

As for me I've swapped cards between Nvidia and AMD a ton and never once used DDU and I can't say I have ever encountered the problems DDU is supposed to solve. It's not a universal necessity.
 
That's interesting, I'm curious what you see. Sometimes there are things that annoy some people greatly while others don't even notice it.

Until they're pointed out. And then become very annoying!
To some, the difference are not very annoying at all. The way AMD applies various forms of AA and also the way they do AF causing the effects to be softer or more "fuzzy" and when you combine that with the way FSR is applied, it can cause a number of small changes to the overall image that some find very irritating.
I don't customize any visual settings in any drivers though I did need to turn off Radeon Image Sharpening about a year or so ago (they defaulted it to on at one point - damn it was ugly!)
There's one example. The OP didn't share their exact config.

Stop chatting BS then
This isn't a matter of ego or feelings. You brought up the claims of image quality being different between gpu manufacturers,so maybe provide proof of why you think so?
Everyones eyes and how we may perceive colors is different but if there were some differences in IQ with Nvidia, AMD, and Intel there would been someone making technical analysis on it by now.
I've had as much of your silly, narrow thinking nonsense as I'm going to take. Welcome to my ignore bin.

Quantum Field Theory? What does that have to do with this discussion?
You just got caught trying to jump on the bandwagon.
Oh... I'm so afraid...:rolleyes:
Clearly was a software issue do to driver conflicts.
Perhaps. It's equally likely that it was driver settings. Possibly even both.

What settings should be changed to improve it?
In my experience, turning down or off the AA settings and turning off AMD's custom FX usually does the trick for people who are having an issue. Of course, that's all very subjective. Some people like the way things look with those FX turned on.

@lexluthermiester
sorry, meant ppl helping in the forum that (should) know about ddu, not the OP's asking for help.
No worries.

As for me I've swapped cards between Nvidia and AMD a ton and never once used DDU and I can't say I have ever encountered the problems DDU is supposed to solve. It's not a universal necessity.
You're a bit lucky then. I've encountered situations where it was needed. Never been able to figure out the pattern of why things go wrong. It's possible there isn't one that is easy to define. DDU is very handy, that is certain.

DLSS is superior to FSR in terms of overall IQ.
That's a very subjective thing too. I know people on both sides of that fence. For some the look of one or the other is a deal breaker. That might have been what happened for the OP. Maybe the FSR settings just didn't look right. We'll likely never know because some many people put the OP on the defense rather than asking what the exact problem was.
 
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