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Air cooler or Liquid cooler for 9800x3d?

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Hello,I'm thinking to buy Be quite dark rock elite for air cooler

ASUS TUF GAMING LC II 360 ARGB,CORSAIR NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB,Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 or 360,Be Quiet Pure Loop 2 or pure loop 2 fx for liquid cooler.Maybe some overclock but nothing crazy.The usage of pc is gaming.

 
@SKRDPTSGL

Hello,

See here, tests were conducted with Noctua NH-D15. Gaming temps are very good:
A relatively strong AIO will allow lower rpm and thus lower noise.

Keep in mind that going with a 420 AIO you will be much more limited regarding case choice.

You've probably seen this:

I bought the Freezer III 360 but I can't really say that you should do the same. I mean what's ideal for me might not be ideal for you.
For example, the radiator is thicker than with others, so that also has implications with case choice regarding clearance at the top.
For me it was a choice between Phanteks G500A and Lian Li Lancool 216. I did prefer the G500A anyway but the larger clearance at the top sealed the deal.
 
I like noctua but i don't know if kingston fury rgb ram i've bought will fit.As for case i have the same as you.
 
High end air cooling is around the level of 240-280 mm AIOs. 360-420 mm can be a bit more performant if your case allows one. The rest comes down to your budget and tolerance towards noise. There is no right or wrong choice, I recommend checking reviews and making up your own mind.
 
My Nephew got that cooler for the Parts I gifted him for his birthday the 360mm version. It keeps the 7900X3D at 60 C max in any Game. The CPU block is very impressive and the cost is not ridiculous. As with most AIO's install is easy but this one is probably the easiest CPU cooler install. Even the fans and Pump have daisy chain cables. A proper Air cooler would cost you about the same. I would usually recommend Thermalright but it seems the tariffs have juiced the price of those coolers.
 
I personally use a Corsair H100i to cool my archaic 3930k and it works pretty well for a CPU that can use quite a bit of power. I'd probably stick with another 240mm AIO if I were to build a new machine.
 
It depend of so many things.

Do you plan to OC your ram to it's limit? If yes I'd go with and AIO because it will be easier to cool your ram with a fan.

Will you pair it with a big 300W++ GPU? You may have better GPU temps with an AIO, big tower cooler that are too close to the card can impact the GPU cooling.

Truth is 9800X3D's are very easy to cool, especially if you plan to undervolt. Mine dont even reach 50°C in games. It reach 58-60°C in cinebench. Keep in mind that my chip is undervolted tho.

If you chose a tower, I'd go with something cheap and not too big like something Thermalright, or anything that fit your esthetic as long as it's not too big. You can go big if you wish, it's just annoying for no real benefits IMO.

GL with your build! Enjoy!
 
My 360mm NZXT Kraken cools my 9800x3d unbelievably well, I also just love the look of a nice AIO purely for aesthetic purposes.
 
I would get the Arctic 360 version 3 that just came out if you can. if that is not in your area than the Arctic 420mm, I really wouldn't trust anyone else for water.

I personally will never go back to water, a good air cooler like mine or a thermalright one is really cheap and is only like 5 celsius warmer than water. in my case only like 2 celsius compared to my last water cooler. so eh you really don't gain that much with an AIO.
 
A beefy aircooler should do the job just fine. Though with water (AIO or custom) it's easy to dump the CPU's heat outside of the case.
 
Hello,I'm thinking to buy Be quite dark rock elite for air cooler

ASUS TUF GAMING LC II 360 ARGB,CORSAIR NAUTILUS 360 RS ARGB,Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 or 360,Be Quiet Pure Loop 2 or pure loop 2 fx for liquid cooler.Maybe some overclock but nothing crazy.The usage of pc is gaming.

Although i hate aios, id suggest you go for one. Tried the 9800x3d with a U12A and it was pretty terrible. On the other hand, it worked fine with a ak620, so dunno what to tell you, maybe it just doesnt like noctua
 
I like noctua but i don't know if kingston fury rgb ram i've bought will fit.As for case i have the same as you.
Phanteks G500A? Great, welcome to the club. :D Well then, you have a lot of flexibility if you want to go with an AIO.

My reasoning for choosing an AIO is the following: Price to performance of course, I paid like 80 euros with shipping for the Arctic Freezer, also mounting at the top of the case meant that I didn't need extra fans.
Whereas if I had chosen a cheaper air cooler meant that I also would've needed 3 extra fans for the top of the case as exhaust, so in the end the final price would've been similar.
And as you mentioned, possible compatibility issues with the RAM. I didn't like being constrained.

With the Kingston Fury RAM the NH-D15's front fan will have to sit higher, on top of the RAM.
The be quiet! cooler will have similar issues.
 
Thermalright makes a cheap AIO that is pretty decent.
 
Although i hate aios, id suggest you go for one. Tried the 9800x3d with a U12A and it was pretty terrible. On the other hand, it worked fine with a ak620, so dunno what to tell you, maybe it just doesnt like noctua
The 9800X3D uses a lot more power than the 7800X3D, and I assume it produces more heat, too. Why it worked better with an AK620 is a mystery, though.

It is also a mystery why my 7800X3D works better on air than it did with my Silent Loop 2 280 mm AIO.
 
The 9800X3D uses a lot more power than the 7800X3D, and I assume it produces more heat, too. Why it worked better with an AK620 is a mystery, though.

It is also a mystery why my 7800X3D works better on air than it did with my Silent Loop 2 280 mm AIO.
Well power = heat so yeah, if it consumes more power it produces more heat.

I think noctuas specifically just work better with Intel for whatever reason. Ak620 was keeping the x3d ~20C lower than my U12A (while the u12a was a bit better on a 14900k)
 
Like @AusWolf pointed out, there is no right or wrong choice, but looking at your signature you live in Greece and the summers over there can be quite hot.

Despite the fact that you have AC or not; every cooler mentioned here is impacted by the ambient temperature. So if the air does get (relatively) warm in the room where you have your rig, a bigger (420) AIO cooler can just be a little bit more quiet in the long run.

Also, personally I like the small fan on the cooling block of Arctic AIO's, it creates a small airflow over the VRM cooling blocks which is always nice ;) .

Otherwise, all proposed coolers here will do the trick. Have fun in the selection process.
 
Well power = heat so yeah, if it consumes more power it produces more heat.

I think noctuas specifically just work better with Intel for whatever reason. Ak620 was keeping the x3d ~20C lower than my U12A (while the u12a was a bit better on a 14900k)
That's weird. I just swapped my Shadow Rock LP for a D9L, and they both seem to do a similar job.

Intel is better with heat dissipation due to the centrally located monolithic die.
 
Intel is better with heat dissipation due to the centrally located monolithic die.
Mostly just because it doesn't have tiny CCDs too...
 
I would get the Arctic 360 version 3 that just came out if you can. if that is not in your area than the Arctic 420mm, I really wouldn't trust anyone else for water.

I personally will never go back to water, a good air cooler like mine or a thermalright one is really cheap and is only like 5 celsius warmer than water. in my case only like 2 celsius compared to my last water cooler. so eh you really don't gain that much with an AIO.
What about Arctic 360 iii pro?Arctic ii 420mm is available for 70 euros.
 
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Thermalright makes a cheap AIO that is pretty decent.
Have you checked recently? The tariffs have juiced those AIOs into everything else in terms of price. I looked on Amazon the other day and this Corsair unit was only $10 more.
 
Have you checked recently? The tariffs have juiced those AIOs into everything else in terms of price. I looked on Amazon the other day and this Corsair unit was only $10 more.
Ahh yes.. not here though.. gonna have to talk to the orange one about that.
 
Have you checked recently? The tariffs have juiced those AIOs into everything else in terms of price. I looked on Amazon the other day and this Corsair unit was only $10 more.
OP is in Greece, he ain't paying the tariffs.

OP - check Artic's page for refurbished AIO's. You can get LF III 420 for €38 plus €6 for shipping.

Only problem is... your case won't support it.

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If you have a CPU like the 7950x which is a hot cpu, id reco water cooled. For example, at 30-34C ambient (a rather realistic setting) mine sits at near 68-72C just doing very lite desktop work. :twitch: hot chips all right. It strikes me that an AIO would be better as it lends itself to changing the paste. The big air cooler is more work to take off and could lead to physical damage if not really carful.

For performance and especially when stock, in theory water would offer very little over air cooled primarily because:
a. both have the dreaded thermal resistance at the interface, as great as water is it still has it's own copper block which is at the mercy of poor conduction-which gives rise to alot of thermal resistance, which criples the heat flux, same for paste and the cpu top. In metals heat flows primarily via the same route as electric current, but instead of being forced along at each and every point by a force field (which is powered from an energy source), its pushed along by nothing more than a diffusion gradient created by the temp differential and which drops off rapidly with material thickness, which inturn kills thermal conductivity or heat flux.
b. the bulk heat transfer mechanism inside the air cooler gives rise to extraordinarily efficient thermal conductvity at the interface, its not conduction (with solid, liquid, or gas), nor convection (liquid, gas) but mass transport or forced convection driven by the massive temperature differential itself, what conduction happens is over a very wide surface area (where the fins start) and where the temp gradient from the cpu is very large, as to not cause a bottleneck like with pure conduction and convection. Then, blowing a tad bit of air on the fins is way more than enough, as anyone sitting in front of a fan on a humid day knows. Interesting story, the 120mm fan on my arctic cooler cooling my intel i7870 stopped spinning due to a bad mobo header, this was during a 5hr sha512 chk sum that absolutely pinned this cpu down, out of curiosity i checked the reported temp and the cpu was sitting at 88C being cooled solely by the copper block itself just relying on conduction with the air, when I touched the cooler it gave me smart burn. The single rear case fan did almost nothing as it was spinning at like 600rpm. Still better than my stock intel P4 cooler which had my stock P4 3.8ghz hitting 90C in gaming on a moderately warm day :cool:. By comparison, water doesn't care, it's molecules are constantly vibrating, and it's bonds in between them absorb the copper's heat very quickly and then move onwards from the flow produced by the pump, with the motion of water constantly supplying fresh molecules.
Finally c. the nature of solid state physics (along with all mechanical machinery) is such that when you push a given technology beyond a certian point you hit the law of diminishing returns, where after that point it requires an ever accelerating amount of cooling that would violate some physical contraints and where the lifespan drops massively. And this is codified in the basic power equations of a transistor and shows why water isn't as good as you might think, it only buys you a tad bit more.

So I would try to find an AIO that had great attention on the cooling block and fans, meaning, just buying based on the radiator's size alone may very well be misleading. what counts is quality first above sheer capacity.


ou may have better GPU temps with an AIO, big tower cooler that are too close to the card can impact the GPU cooling.
Hmm i dont think so. On my AM5 system the 7950x with noctua nh-d15 even under heavy gaming doesn't really impact the GPU (4080s) in any noticeable way. Because the amount of heat the cpu generates is actually quite small compared to what the air coolers actual large mass can hold, the small crossection at the interface is a big bottleneck. Even under hard benchmarking, the entire copper is barely luke warm and that heat is easily transferred via the front fan and rear 120mm fan behind it. Second, the gpu fans themselves direct the gpu heat down at the base of the case where that warm air gets removed by the lower crossbreeze caused from front and rear fan. Here, a smaller case with the same sized fans and at same rpm would make the crossbreeze more effective as there is less distance for the air to travel which means more of a stronger breeze and less chance of the hot are getting directed to other parts of the case. But really, assuming there was no power density bottleneck, this cooler and case itself could arguable handle far far more heat.
 
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