RTX 5060 - No Reviews?

[Hecate91]

there is a balance to be struck here. And neither Nvidia or the influencers are doing consumers any good at this moment. It's all over the place.
AMD seems to be much more reasonable imo, making a 9060 8gb doesn't shock me at all, more options is always better. Discussing prices, that's another issue.

More so on Nvidia and AMD, the influencers sure, but actual tech press no I disagree, they have a purpose to inform the consumer, and the recent topic from many tech channels has been interesting to say the least, even the channels who usually leaned more towards Nvidia are tired of the BS.
Prices are tied in with the cards which I think of course puts decision making on those choices, there aren't many good choices out there and like I've said even the used market sucks unless you find a good deal.

Under normal circumstances there shouldn't be an amd and an nvidia, there should be a 5060 and a 9060xt, we shouldn't be talking about brands but MAN, unhinged posts like the one above you makes it hard for me to buy or suggest anyone to buy amd. Unhinged people make me hate the company, lol. Fans are just ruining pc gaming, what can you do...

The circumstances are anything but normal, if Nvidia didn't have a monopoly then we could compare products as if they didn't have any branding, but one company decided to sell proprietary software, if the circumstances were different we could all enjoy the same features across every brand of GPU. But calling me unhinged because you disagree with my opinion? You've been defending the 5060 and 5060Ti because they have the Nvidia branding, even though 8GB cards have been proven to be not enough in several titles which will only get worse in a few years, people on a budget don't replace their GPU every 2-3 years.
The fans destroying PC gaming are the ones buying the $2000+ cards,those buying mid range cards just want something with decent performance per $, the rest of the blame is on these companies for inflating prices.

 

[JustBenching]

ou've been defending the 5060 and 5060Ti because they have the Nvidia branding,

No, that's what you are doing. Ive been defending the 5060 because it has the best perform / $ out of any card currently. It's literally at the top. How is that possible, since nvidia is the big evil and amd loves you? Why aren't 10 amd cards on the top of the perfm / $ chart? Just imagine how bad amd is doing when nvidia while being a monopoly by your own admission offers the best perf / $ products, lol. But yeah, keep defending the multi billion $ company...

Any ideas why the for the people company is trailing that big evil corpo in perf / $? Out of the 6 best vfm cards 4 are from nvidia. But keep banging the drum




EG1. People keeping their cards for more than 2-3 years, yeah imagine spending 1k+ $ a year ago and not have access to FSR 4.

 

[NSR]

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Not part of the convo, just wondering why are these prices all over the place? None of TPU's reviews show this order of cost per frame for the new generation. The B580 should be at the top (or 2nd) but here it's near the bottom.

 

[JustBenching]

Not part of the convo, just wondering why are these prices all over the place? None of TPU's reviews show this order of cost per frame for the new generation. The B580 should be at the top (or 2nd) but here it's near the bottom.

Because it's using actual store prices, not fake msrps (9070xt / 9070 wink wink).

 

[NSR]

Because it's using actual store prices, not fake msrps (9070xt / 9070 wink wink).

Fair enough.

But damn, you guys are being charged that much for a B580? Currently over here it's still cheaper than the 5060. Close enough that'd it most likely be 2nd place though, but still.

 

[JustBenching]

Fair enough.

But damn, you guys are being charged that much for a B580? Currently over here it's still cheaper than the 5060. Close enough that'd it most likely be 2nd place though, but still.

I'm "over here" as well, you mean Europe right? Yeah it goes for around 330-340€ - it's better than all amd gpus in that graph but 5060 is still at the top in the chart.

 

[NSR]

I'm "over here" as well, you mean Europe right? Yeah it goes for around 330-340€ - it's better than all amd gpus in that graph but 5060 is still at the top in the chart.

UK, yeah. We pay a default fee on everything anyways (before tax) so we never get GPUs at MSRP but prices usually scale to match the respective tiers.

But without a doubt this generation NVIDIA has been cheaper (by a decent chunk too). 9070 is still selling despite being above MSRP which is giving it little reason to drop. Goes to show what positive marketing can do to a product.

 

[JustBenching]

UK, yeah. We pay a default fee on everything anyways (before tax) so we never get GPUs at MSRP but prices usually scale to match the respective tiers.

But without a doubt this generation NVIDIA has been cheaper (by a decent chunk too). 9070 is still selling despite being above MSRP which is giving it little reason to drop. Goes to show what positive marketing can do to a product.

Funny part is your post made me realize that indeed the b580 is second place, so out of the 3 GPU manafacturers amd is 3rd place in perf / $. But it's the good guy. Go figure.

 

[NSR]

Funny part is your post made me realize that indeed the b580 is second place, so out of the 3 GPU manafacturers amd is 3rd place in perf / $. But it's the good guy. Go figure.

Had it not been for the fake MSRP the 9070 cards would be at #1 and #2 respectively.

A couple of people called the fake MSRP a while ago but it got shoved under the radar. I've been saying since after launch that the "retail scalper" prices were just what AMD initially intended and they'll milk it for as long as they sell. NVIDIA has done more to reduce prices despite their initial shenanigans. Don't want to get too off topic so I'll cut that there.

 

[Macro Device]

What happened?

A decade ago aka "back in a day" you had cards like GTX 970 with 4 GB (yes, I know about that 3.5+.5 quirk) VRAM and, let's put it that way, 100% performance. And there was a very limited amount of games where 2 GB wasn't enough. 3? Plenty. 4? Why do you need that much?

Today, they release the likes of 5060 Ti at 260+ % of performance, only providing 200% VRAM. And the number of games capable of meaningfully utilising more than 8 GB is in double digits.

We had to have GPUs with memory for days and the main limiting factor was calculating power, also game developers compressed everything to run in very dire VRAM situations. Today we have GPUs with plenty of algebra going on but they run out of VRAM because games offer ultra HD quality textures and less compression.

That's why 8 GB, in isolation, is not a problem. But if we combine it with a hefty price tag and the way the modern vidya works it indeed becomes one.

The solution is to buy zero GPUs until the $/GB ratio comes down to reasonable numbers.

 

[JustBenching]

A decade ago aka "back in a day" you had cards like GTX 970 with 4 GB (yes, I know about that 3.5+5 quirk) VRAM and, let's put it that way, 100% performance. And there was a very limited amount of games where 2 GB wasn't enough. 3? Plenty. 4? Why do you need that much?

Today, they release the likes of 5060 Ti at 260+ % of performance, only providing 200% VRAM. And the number of games capable of meaningfully utilising more than 8 GB is in double digits.

We had to have GPUs with memory for days and the main limiting factor was calculating power, also game developers compressed everything to run in very dire VRAM situations. Today we have GPUs with plenty of algebra going on but they run out of VRAM because games offer ultra HD quality textures and less compression.

That's why 8 GB, in isolation, is not a problem. But if we combine it with a hefty price tag and the way the modern vidya works it indeed becomes one.

But the 970 was basically what the 5070ti is now, comparing it with the 5060 or the 5060ti isn't really apt. If anything I'd argue that 16gb on a card like the 5060ti (let alone the normal 5060) is absurdly overkill, and although it's a great option for people running local LLM's and such I don't see the point for gamers. I'd never buy a 16gb 5060 card unless it was that close in price to the 8gb that it wouldn't make sense to go for the 8.

I don't get the "hefty" price tag either. It's literally the cheapest GPU of this generation, and the best performance / $. That's literally the exact opposite of a "hefty" price tag.

 

[Macro Device]

But the 970 was basically what the 5070ti is now

The closest is 5060 Ti. 5070 Ti is more than 1.5 times more expensive.

16gb on a card like the 5060ti (let alone the normal 5060) is absurdly overkill

It's not overkill, it's nice to have. I agree 12 GB looks more on point but having even more VRAM isn't bad.

I don't get the "hefty" price tag either

Spending 330 aka 450 USD 11 years ago gave you relatively better gaming experience, especially regarding VRAM heavy titles.

 

[JustBenching]

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The closest is 5060 Ti. 5070 Ti is more than 1.5 times more expensive.


It's not overkill, it's nice to have. I agree 12 GB looks more on point but having even more VRAM isn't bad.


Spending 330 aka 450 USD 11 years ago gave you relatively better gaming experience, especially regarding VRAM heavy titles.

Average inflation rate is useless. Food is more than 2x up. I in fact got the receipts for that. Not everything goes up at the same rate.

Maxwell chips started at 139$ and went all the way up to 649 (999$ including the Titan X). So in relation to the entire stack the 970 (329$) was sitting higher up than what the 5070ti is - and accordingly the 5060 is lower down the stack than what the 950 was. Talking about pricing specifically.

It's not overkill, it's nice to have. I agree 12 GB looks more on point but having even more VRAM isn't bad.

Well but that's the thing, in order to put 12 the card will have to be a lot more expensive - or they have to compromise even more on bus width making the card even slower.

And I liked your post cause I don't think we are fundamentally in disagreement, I just don't hold the opinion that every card, even the cheapest one (which the 5060 currently is) HAS to be able to play every single game on existence maxed out.

 

[Macro Device]

Food is more than 2x up.

Not in Russia. We got it at relatively the same level as a decade ago, it's just the variety now sucks. Sanctions and all that.

I just don't hold the opinion that every card, even the cheapest one (which the 5060 currently is) HAS to be able to play every single game on existence maxed out.

The thing is you max the GPU out WAAAAAAAAAY before you max the most recent games out. Some games are only fitting within 8 GB on lowest presets. At 1080p downwards. It's not a lot of such titles but the number is growing. Your otherwise fast GPU could've done a hundred FPS for you but it's hard stuck at stuttering because VRAM is done for. Unpleasant.

 

[JustBenching]

The thing is you max the GPU out WAAAAAAAAAY before you max the most recent games out. Some games are only fitting within 8 GB on lowest presets. At 1080p downwards. It's not a lot of such titles but the number is growing. Your otherwise fast GPU could've done a hundred FPS for you but it's hard stuck at stuttering because VRAM is done for. Unpleasant.

If that was the case then it wouldn't top the perf / $ chart - at 1440p ultra!! Hub literally included games (he said so in his review) that the card was running out of vram dropping to single digits framerates and it still scored at the top with those included. So clearly, it can't be that many games that have issue, and in those that have issue I don't think you have to drop to low presets.

Regarding inflation in tech, nvidia doesn't make CPUs - fastest 2014 consumer cpu was 329$ - nowadays it's 699$.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If that was the case then it wouldn't top the perf / $ chart - at 1440p ultra!! Hub literally included games (he said so in his review) that the card was running out of vram dropping to single digits framerates and it still scored at the top with those included. So clearly, it can't be that many games that have issue, and in those that have issue I don't think you have to drop to low presets.

Regarding inflation in tech, nvidia doesn't make CPUs - fastest 2014 consumer cpu was 329$ - nowadays it's 699$.

Yeah it's a 1080p card that can do 1440p with optimized settings and DLSS should it be called the 5050 ti probably but naming is mostly irrelevant the actual stupid product is the 5060ti 8GB which is strong enough for both 1440p and 4k with DLSS which is quite good at 4k even in the performance mode but at least Nvidia gives you the option for 16 with that card. They should have a 330 usd version of this with the 3Gb ram modules or maybe even waited till they were available in large quantities it would mostly mitigate the one minor downside of this product and AMD fanboys wouldn't have any straws to grasp complaining about this product.

Instead Nvidia is releasing 2 products that at least make people think long and hard if they should grab the 9060XT 16Gb instead assuming it hits msrp not becuase this class of card needs 16GB but 10-12 would he nice but that's literally the only option besides the overpriced B580 with more than 8.

Nvidia gameplan is to just give enough vram but not so much that it makes people not want to upgrade every generation it's in their best interest to do the bare minimum at the 650 usd and under range hats off to them it's worked fantastically and they even have Simps defending their stagnation.

 

[leonavis]

If that was the case then it wouldn't top the perf / $ chart - at 1440p ultra!! Hub literally included games (he said so in his review) that the card was running out of vram dropping to single digits framerates and it still scored at the top with those included. So clearly, it can't be that many games that have issue, and in those that have issue I don't think you have to drop to low presets.

Regarding inflation in tech, nvidia doesn't make CPUs - fastest 2014 consumer cpu was 329$ - nowadays it's 699$.

Öhm. The i7-5960X from september 2014 was 829$, the i7-5930k was 500$.

 

[freeagent]

Öhm. The i7-5960X from september 2014 was 829$, the i7-5930k was 500$.

That is HEDT, not mainstream.

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah it's a 1080p card that can do 1440p with optimized settings and DLSS should it be called the 5050 ti probably but naming is mostly irrelevant the actual stupid product is the 5060ti 8GB which is strong enough for both 1440p and 4k with DLSS which is quite good at 4k even in the performance mode but at least Nvidia gives you the option for 16 with that card. They should have a 330 usd version of this with the 3Gb ram modules or maybe even waited till they were available in large quantities it would mostly mitigate the one minor downside of this product and AMD fanboys wouldn't have any straws to grasp complaining about this product.

Instead Nvidia is releasing 2 products that at least make people think long and hard if they should grab the 9060XT 16Gb instead assuming it hits msrp not becuase this class of card needs 16GB but 10-12 would he nice but that's literally the only option besides the overpriced B580 with more than 8.

Nvidia gameplan is to just give enough vram but not so much that it makes people not want to upgrade every generation it's in their best interest to do the bare minimum at the 650 usd in under range hats off to them it's worked fantastically and they even have Simps defending their stagnation.

Isn't directed at you, but to add some actual facts in the discussion, checked the latest 47 games tested in GAMEGPU. I have compiled a TXT list that I can share. Basically I made 4 categories based on the data I gathered - games that the 5060 (and 8gb in general) can play at 1080p or 1440p completely maxed out, games that it will play almost maxed out (turn down the textures a notch might or might not be needed), games that will definitely need to lower the textures and finally, games that look like they might have issues even with 16gb of vram. And the results are as following

A) 29 Games play maxed out, no issues
B) 12 Games might work maxed out, might need to lower the textures a notch
C) 5 Games that definitely need lower textures, might or might not need further tinkering
D) 1 Game that needs absurd amounts of vram, 16gb might or might not be enouch.

Now with that data I can safely conclude that the 5060 is a better 1080p card than the 4090 is a 4k card.

 

[leonavis]

That is HEDT, not mainstream.

Same as the Ryzen 9 9950X3D, which price you brought up (699$).

Or would you call that chip mainstream?

 

[freeagent]

Same as the Ryzen 9 9950X3D, which price you brought up (699$).

Or would you call that chip mainstream?

More mainstream than the 5930K or 5960X.

 

[wNotyarD]

Same as the Ryzen 9 9950X3D, which price you brought up (699$).

Or would you call that chip mainstream?

It is still on a mainstream platform (AM5). HEDT is Threadripper on TR5.
Equivalently, both the 5930K and 5960X were on HEDT LGA2011, while 6700K was on mainstream LGA1151.

If we bring the pricing of ANY current Threadripper on this discussion, any comparison pales.

 

[ARF]

It is still on a mainstream platform (AM5). HEDT is Threadripper on TR5.
Equivalently, both the 5930K and 5960X were on HEDT LGA2011, while 6700K was on mainstream LGA1151.

This is wrong.
Today, Threadripper is workstation, while back in those days when Intel stagnated from Core i7 2600K till Core i7 7700K basically offering the same performance for almost a decade, 5930K and 5960X were more or less the higher tier of the mainstream, just like high-end Ryzen 9 is now.

 

[leonavis]

HEDT is Threadripper on TR5.

No, that's a workstation.

But yeah, HEDT was never really defined properly. Back then it was just "Intel Extreme", AMD doesn't have such a lineup and Intel doesn't have such a lineup anymore.

Its place been taken by the consumer high-end chips.

Taking mainboard-compability is not a very good argument with AMD. You can get Epyc on AM5.

 

[JustBenching]

This wildly offtopic, but yes the 9950x 3d is consumer. It does exactly what the 9600x does but faster. That is not the case with HEDT platforms that can simply do more things. More pcie lanes, quad or octa channel memories etc.