AMD Announces Radeon RX 9060 XT Graphics Card, Claims "Fastest Under $350"

[OkieDan]

I see an RX 6800 with RDNA 4 technology

No such thing

 

[GodisanAtheist]

No such thing

- He's just saying the 9600XT 16G is Radeon 6800 raster performance and memory but with the upscaling and raytracing perks of RDNA 4, which is more or less on point.

 

[ARF]

- He's just saying the 9600XT 16G is Radeon 6800 raster performance and memory but with the upscaling and raytracing perks of RDNA 4, which is more or less on point.

5 years later... Imagine if the chip was done right on a 3nm or 2nm process with double the shaders and the same die area...

 

[blinnbanir]

Both NV and AMD provide too little stock so the tailers can scalp all they please. Low supply makes their hand winning.

It wouldn't have been like that if someone decided to actively flood the market with their chips.

Yes but one of them does it on purpose.

 

[AusWolf]

I doubt retailers would be scalping, at least in some regions/country.
MSRP is respected in France for 5070 and even 5060 Ti (both 8 and 16GB models). 5070 Ti demand though is high enough to not systematically warrant a drop to MSRP (€880, equivalent $750 converted + 20% VAT at release day). Some retailers though are willing to offer sub-MSRP 5070 Ti if you can go directly in their physical shop, from time to time.

I don't know if it works like that in other countries, but France forbids retailers to sell at a loss, regardless of the products they sell (some exceptions exists, but most of them are about perishable products), the price taken into account does exclude transportation/import fees, financial advantages and some other things. Even wholesalers can't sell their product for a price that is below 90% of the price they paid for. The only exception is during sales periods, which are also defined by the government, for equality between every retailer (physical or online) - read it as "keeping the market fair and competitive" basically. And even then, some conditions apply, as explained here.
Very rough and quick translation to get to the point : Retailers must have obtained their stocks of products and put them for sale at least 1 month prior to the beginning of the sales period in order to be able to sell them at loss, sales price is only for a part of the inventory (not the whole stock of products), and with no possibility to restock. It is also forbidden to order a product solely with the goal of selling it during sales period.

The fact the 9070 XT doesn't drop below €780-800 for all 2-3 major PC tech retailer chains (+ Amazon) in France tells me they're most likely currently blocked from doing so, either because it would eat in their margins (most likely scenario), or simply because they paid so much for them so they can't go lower (and then, we could wonder what was the initial target price before the rebate). In both cases, you need to consider VAT since the government takes (part of) it back from retailers. But 5070 Ti models going below its €880 MSRP also means they have some price room to maneuver with these models in the first place. Summer sales will officially start on the Wednesday last week of June so if my understanding is correct, our tech retailers in France could be forced to keep these 9070 XT prices up until then.

AMD may have really screwed us up in France.

I think it's a simple supply and demand situation. Just because UK stores are allowed to drop the price to wherever they want it, why would they? What would they gain from selling at a loss? Yet, you can have a 9070 XT for well under £700 here. Stores in countries that get fewer units have to sell with higher margins to stay in business.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

5 years later... Imagine if the chip was done right on a 3nm or 2nm process with double the shaders and the same die area...

- It's actually pretty impressive for a 190mm2 chip to get within spitting distance of a 530mm2 chip with really only one major node shrink between them (7nm -> 5/4nm).

Goes to show how much room for refinement there was on the RDNA arch.

 

[Luminescent]

I think this is a bad deal even if it's free, put Alan wake 2 in path tracing or Black myth wukong and no AMD card can match even 5060 8gb.
Even if it's free no one here should take one, better go buy Nvidia and you get 4 times more frames.
I can't wait for the path tracing benchmarks, but they should hurry before amd finalizes machine learning ray reconstruction, denoising and whatever version of shader execution reordering equivalent they have, then they could have a problem, hopefully they don't implement any of this in said games so no one knows AMD can be competitive in ray tracing.
If AMD wants market share they should pay us to use AMD gpu's, otherwise Nvidia 8gb and 4x more frames it is.

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[Marcus L]

I think this is a bad deal even if it's free, put Alan wake 2 in path tracing or Black myth wukong and no AMD card can match even 5060 8gb.
Even if it's free no one here should take one, better go buy Nvidia and you get 4 times more frames.
I can't wait for the path tracing benchmarks, but they should hurry before amd finalizes machine learning ray reconstruction, denoising and whatever version of shader execution reordering equivalent they have, then they could have a problem, hopefully they don't implement any of this in said games so no one knows AMD can be competitive in ray tracing.
If AMD wants market share they should pay us to use AMD gpu's, otherwise Nvidia 8gb and 4x more frames it is.

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Put path tracing on them without performance DLSS and MFG and it will be a slideshow anyway

 

[wNotyarD]

Put path tracing on them without performance DLSS and MFG and it will be a slideshow anyway

Amen to that, brother (if we estimate the 5060 PT performance to be in the same ballpark as that of the 4060Ti 8G).

 

[ARF]

- It's actually pretty impressive for a 190mm2 chip to get within spitting distance of a 530mm2 chip with really only one major node shrink between them (7nm -> 5/4nm).

Goes to show how much room for refinement there was on the RDNA arch.

It is not impressive, but at all. Because it shows how terribly engineered the Navi 21 chip is. When 7nm transistor density is high:

7 nm process - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

they made that turd:

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Specs

AMD Navi 21, 2250 MHz, 4608 Cores, 288 TMUs, 128 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

5 nm process - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Specs

AMD Navi 48, 2970 MHz, 4096 Cores, 256 TMUs, 128 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2518 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Of course, with Navi 48 the things are fixed, but still - how many years till we see a working 3nm die, not to mention 2nm ?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

It is not impressive, but at all. Because it shows how terribly engineered the Navi 21 chip is. When 7nm transistor density is high:

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7 nm process - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

they made that turd:

View attachment 400927

AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT Specs

AMD Navi 21, 2250 MHz, 4608 Cores, 288 TMUs, 128 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

View attachment 400928

5 nm process - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Specs

AMD Navi 48, 2970 MHz, 4096 Cores, 256 TMUs, 128 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2518 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Of course, with Navi 48 the things are fixed, but still - how many years till we see a working 3nm die, not to mention 2nm ?

- I can't speak to N21 being a turd purely on account of the transistor density, clearly AMD has the chops to make high density chips (RDNA3 GCDs say hello) so I wonder if something else was at play like lowering density to hit clock targets etc.

Never the less, the point still stands.

 

[AusWolf]

I think this is a bad deal even if it's free, put Alan wake 2 in path tracing or Black myth wukong and no AMD card can match even 5060 8gb.
Even if it's free no one here should take one, better go buy Nvidia and you get 4 times more frames.
I can't wait for the path tracing benchmarks, but they should hurry before amd finalizes machine learning ray reconstruction, denoising and whatever version of shader execution reordering equivalent they have, then they could have a problem, hopefully they don't implement any of this in said games so no one knows AMD can be competitive in ray tracing.
If AMD wants market share they should pay us to use AMD gpu's, otherwise Nvidia 8gb and 4x more frames it is.

Oh wow, my whole vision started flickering green for one second upon reading your post, I think I need a doctor.

Seriously though, you're mentioning PT in context of the 9060 XT 8 GB and 5060? Are you for real, man?

Also, have you tried frame generation with a less than 60 FPS input? Let me spoil it: it's shit.

 

[Luminescent]

It was a joke, obviously!
Just look how whenever AMD makes a GPU, everyone wants to be cheaper than Nvidia to the point of absurdity, they want 16gb, exceptional performance but compete with the crapiest Nvidia gpu's in price.
So to these people, even if AMD gave them for free they would still be unhappy.

 

[AusWolf]

It was a joke, obviously!
Just look how whenever AMD makes a GPU, everyone wants to be cheaper than Nvidia to the point of absurdity, they want 16gb, exceptional performance but compete with the crapiest Nvidia gpu's in price.
So to these people, even if AMD gave them for free they would still be unhappy.

Ah I get ya.

Those people you're talking about are Nvidia fans. They don't actually want AMD to be cheaper, they just say that to justify their purchases.

 

[Luminescent]

Those people you're talking about are Nvidia fans. They don't actually want AMD to be cheaper, they just say that to justify their purchases.

I think they are more than that, i bet you there are Nvidia employees on reddit and big communities like techpowerup who work to spread misinformation, promote Nvidia products and message, and argue with other AMD fanboys and employees of AMD who do the same.
Remember the AMD drivers are bad and how long it stuck, and they are actually good for a good number of years but they worked hard to keep this impression about AMD.
Let's see where the narrative goes once AMD is good with ray tracing.
Corporations now fight with the same tools politicians fight, beyond the actual product there is the propaganda who will say if you buy this product your computer might actually burst into flames, the chance of that happening are very slim but if enough people believe then mission accomplished.

 

[AusWolf]

I think they are more than that, i bet you there are Nvidia employees on reddit and big communities like techpowerup who work to spread misinformation, promote Nvidia products and message, and argue with other AMD fanboys and employees of AMD who do the same.
Remember the AMD drivers are bad and how long it stuck, and they are actually good for a good number of years but they worked hard to keep this impression about AMD.
Let's see where the narrative goes once AMD is good with ray tracing.
Corporations now fight with the same tools politicians fight, beyond the actual product there is the propaganda who will say if you buy this product your computer might actually burst into flames, the chance of that happening are very slim but if enough people believe then mission accomplished.

I don't think the rabbit hole goes that deep, but one never knows.

I seriously think there are many many people using their butts instead of their heads to buy stuff, and then justifying their purchases by trying to convince others of doing the same using the most absurd reasons they can come up with (like transistor count, lol). Kind of like fans of a certain German car brand, or those of football (soccer) teams.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think they are more than that, i bet you there are Nvidia employees on reddit and big communities like techpowerup who work to spread misinformation, promote Nvidia products and message, and argue with other AMD fanboys and employees of AMD who do the same.
Remember the AMD drivers are bad and how long it stuck, and they are actually good for a good number of years but they worked hard to keep this impression about AMD.
Let's see where the narrative goes once AMD is good with ray tracing.
Corporations now fight with the same tools politicians fight, beyond the actual product there is the propaganda who will say if you buy this product your computer might actually burst into flames, the chance of that happening are very slim but if enough people believe then mission accomplished.

AMD drivers? Good for a number of years? Try maybe a number of months, and I'll cut you that slack. That they didn't launch the 9070 XT major issues is already something that is both appreciable and that Nvidia can't even claim for itself this time around. The argument that RT's inferior on AMD remains true, but no longer at a massive scale. The 9070 XT just now introduced things like tensor cores to Radeon, Nvidia's had that since 2018: 2017 if you count the Titan V. Software is progressing but not there - they've literally announced their RT denoiser to be released within this year.

I really don't think Nvidia needs to employ anyone to defend them in online forums, nor AMD for that matter... fans do it for free

 

[AusWolf]

AMD drivers? Good for a number of years? Try maybe a number of months, and I'll cut you that slack.

Here we go again!

On what experience do you base that statement on?

The 9070 XT just now introduced things like tensor cores to Radeon, Nvidia's had that since 2018: 2017 if you count the Titan V.

And the point is...?

Software is progressing but not there - they've literally announced their RT denoiser to be released within this year.

I don't know how one can live without an RT denoiser, honestly. Wait, what?

I really don't think Nvidia needs to employ anyone to defend them in online forums, nor AMD for that matter... fans do it for free

I can see that.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Here we go again!

On what experience do you base that statement on?

Here we go again, I say. You really think because I don't use one of their cards on my PC I am like, airgapped, completely no contact with their GPUs? That's the twisted logic I've never been able to figure out.

 

[Macro Device]

@Dr. Dro @AusWolf
AMD drivers: seasoned drunks.
NVIDIA drivers: recently introduced themselves to crystal.

Jokes aside, AMD really need to step it up. In current market, their offerings can sell and would sell pretty well. JUST PROVIDE MORE SUPPLY. These fake MSRP crumbs are a disgusting insult.

 

[AusWolf]

Here we go again, I say. You really think because I don't use one of their cards on my PC I am like, airgapped, completely no contact with their GPUs? That's the twisted logic I've never been able to figure out.

I'm just saying you didn't hesitate to respond to the claim about AMD drivers with something negative (even though no one asked you, or anyone else for input), yet, here you are, avoiding to answer my question.

Jokes aside, AMD really need to step it up. In current market, their offerings can sell and would sell pretty well. JUST PROVIDE MORE SUPPLY. These fake MSRP crumbs are a disgusting insult.

To stay on topic, what I think AMD needs to do is price the 9060 XT properly, and not play the "Nvidia -50 bucks" game. They did it right with the 9070 series, surely they can do it again.

 

[Luminescent]

AMD drivers? Good for a number of years? Try maybe a number of months

Do you know how old i am ? my first computer, if it can be called that was a ZX spectrum, i loaded games from audio tapes, then 386, 486 DX100, dial up internet....and so on.
Let's say i had many GPU's, the last ones were sapphire rx 480, sapphire rx 6700 10gb and now Gigabyte 9070 XT, neither Nvidia or AMD posed any serious problems for me and it is a working computer, if you don't overclock, keep a reasonable clean operating system then you are good with both AMD or Nvidia.
Kids these days have it so easy, in the old days even the PCB of a motherboard or GPU sucked, quality was so poor compared to what we have today, we are spoiled.

I really don't think Nvidia needs to employ anyone to defend them in online forums, nor AMD for that matter... fans do it for free

While i don't agree with the first part, i do agree that fans do it for free.
Before someone labels me as a fan, i hate both Nvidia and AMD equally, one is greedy beyond reason and the other is lazy and copies Nvidia for years, i give credit to Nvidia for moving the industry forward and credit to AMD for keeping them in check as prices go.

 

[Macro Device]

They did it right with the 9070 series

They did not. Like I said, only having supply issues resolved by month 3 (and nowhere near worldwide FWIW) isn't doing it right in any book. When only several countries have access to cards sold at MSRP it's not it.

I can have a used 4080 for a price lower than the one of 9070 XT.

 

[Deleted member 246231]

Now it just has to stay below 400...one can dream.

The GPU can max out 1080p ultra while delivering optimized settings 1440p with upscaling on quality, with RX HDR conversion support. It seems promising, but only if prices stabilize. I’m still holding out hope Intel’s Battlemage B770 (the rumoured ‘white horse’) will arrive and save the day with competitive pricing h2 25. Seams to me, this part of the market is not competitive enough. Will see if patience will pay off.

 

[AusWolf]

They did not. Like I said, only having supply issues resolved by month 3 (and nowhere near worldwide FWIW) isn't doing it right in any book. When only several countries have access to cards sold at MSRP it's not it.

Like I said (maybe in another thread), you can't fault AMD for supplying "only" 10 times as many cards as Nvidia did 5070 (Ti) during its launch (going by the Microcenter stock alert thread).
The smaller company with the much smaller wafer allocation at TSMC delivers 10 times as many GPUs to gamers as the one with 90% market share, yet you say they're doing it wrong?

You also can't fault AMD for the prices as long as they vastly differ across regions. You can have a 9070 XT well under £700 in the UK right now.