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RTX 5060 - No Reviews?

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There were two crypto waves with second being a lot bigger. I'm being generous about 250 MSRP of GTX 1060 6 GB, because even back then I read comments that it was hard to get that card at that price. Then crypto hit and you couldn't get cheap GPUs. I'm also surprised how you don't understand what inflation is and consider that as an excuse. You can keep shouting at the cloud your entire life from now on. That is life. Reality is what it is. We all want for it to be better, but complaining for decades how good you had during Pascal era is exactly how you get an old man shouting at the clouds.
Inflation plays a part to be sure, but I think people are disappointed because everything else in tech is comparatively getting cheaper or stays stable versus the GPU market. CPUs are more or less flat unless we consider the halo models. You could have bought a very good, top or near top tier CPU for 300-350 in 2012 and you still can now. Memory is fine. SSDs are slowly, but surely improving price for capacity, in no small part due to emergence of good DRAMless controllers and YMTC aggressive pricing. PSUs are roughly the same. Monitors are getting cheaper and cheaper - 1440p 240Hz is now very attainable mid-market option. Peripheral market is ultra-competitive - never before there was such value for money to be had on mice and keebs. Audio? Same. Chi-Fi has completely upturned the game. GPUs are pretty much the only obvious pain-point and thus people hone in on them. Well, motherboards too, I suppose.
 
A cheap high vram GPU is not in nvidias best interest. It has nothing to do with planned obsolescence and all that crap, it has to do with local LLMs sadly being able to take advantage of up to 6x GPUs. A 16gb 5060 at 299$ gives you access to 96gb for 1800$. That's why im surprised that the 5060ti 16gb even exists for that price, it really is a gift.

Indeed, if you look up prices of RTX 3090, they are highly inflated over RTX 3080. The reason - VRAM. LLM and other professional users buys them up for VRAM and they keep their value up. It is just what it is now. We need to wait AI bubble to pop. Now we are in the maturity phase when investments were made into AI and companies are trying to make a return. we need to wait until investors realize that there isn't that much money to be had and hopefully they find new hot trend to put their money in. Market would implode and supply will decrease. The other solution is that companies themselves will provide better GPUs for LLM. Intel might be delivering exceptional cards for that purpose.

Nothing to do until we satiate the demand for those cards. You can see it from RTX 5090 cards as how they are constantly over MSRP. That is because those GPUs are bought up for professional use. If Nvidia would make RTX 5080 with more VRAM, it will likely never be available for its MSRP and we will be force for it. We simply need to wait out until we hit the peak and demand lowers. This probably is going to happen within an year or two.

As for why flagships are hit so hard. It is because 16 GB on GPUs tend to be just slightly under desired threshold for those models. We are lucky for that. Thus, rest of a lineup can safely encroach 16 GB VRAM buffer, but at the moment going for 24 GB RTX 5080 Super is dangerous.

Inflation plays a part to be sure, but I think people are disappointed because everything else in tech is comparatively getting cheaper or stays stable versus the GPU market. CPUs are more or less flat unless we consider the halo models. You could have bought a very good, top or near top tier CPU for 300-350 in 2012 and you still can now. Memory is fine. SSDs are slowly, but surely improving price for capacity, in no small part due to emergence of good DRAMless controllers and YMTC aggressive pricing. PSUs are roughly the same. Monitors are getting cheaper and cheaper - 1440p 240Hz is now very attainable mid-market option. Peripheral market is ultra-competitive - never before there was such value for money to be had on mice and keebs. Audio? Same. Chi-Fi has completely upturned the game. GPUs are pretty much the only obvious pain-point and thus people hone in on them. Well, motherboards too, I suppose.

It is matter of perspective. If you would look for example to CPUs. They remained at the same price, but we are getting half the die for it. Shrinkflation had absolutely hit them too and we are getting a lot less than we are used to. GPUs on the other hand do not perform so much better, because demand for games keep on increasing while demands on CPUs had lagged behind its increasing capabilities. Make no mistake, RTX 5060 absolutely crushes GTX 1060 in terms of performance while retaining similar pricing.

Memory too had its spikes in price. DDR5 had costed a fortune a few years ago along with increased prices for regular memory. It is true that all those areas had matured and tend to go down in pricing or to keep up with inflation. However, you also have to take into account that these things often stagnate in technology. A PSU from 10 years ago is basically the same PSU now. Motherboards also tend to just keep up with inflation, but if you want something fancy like PCIe 5x16 direct connection with a GPU and then a dedicated PCIe 5 connection with SSD then you have to pay big bucks. I wanted advanced motherboard and they all are really expensive. I got ASRock B650E Taichi. What about if I want the best or fastest DDR5 kits? They are still pricey though we had seen decrease of euro/GB.

With monitors, prices are going down, but high end monitors always had costed a small fortune and they absolutely do today. We do get ever greater resolutions for cheaper, but if I want to push specifications with monitors, I have to pay just as much as I used to back in a day. Upgraded from Samsung G7 to Neo G7 and couldn't say that they got all that cheaper than over a decade ago. And that is nowhere near the peak how much those best monitors cost which you see in a fancy review on youtube.

So, in short. My conclusion that rest of the electronics had kept up with inflation. Cheap electronics are only those electronics without brand image and demanding specifications. If I want to get something good, I ended up paying good money for it.
 
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It is matter of perspective. If you would look for example to CPUs. They remained at the same price, but we are getting half the die for it. Shrinkflation had absolutely hit them too and we are getting a lot less than we are used to.
What?
 
9800x3D die size 70.6 mm and it costs $479 today.
Intel Core i7-6700K is 227 mm. $339 from 2015 is $459.

You guys got butchered by shrinkflation and didn't even noticed. I have 7800x3D and is honestly shit. It can't launch single threaded applications without freezing the system (MSI Afterburner is a good example). Its cores are easily throttled by applications. It launches my OS even slower than my old i5-4670. The only reason you blame Nvidia is that gaming demands kept up or recently even surpassed hardware advancements for GPUs. However, computational advancements of games were slow for a long time. We didn't see any new and good sandbox, open world games for a long while now. We moved away from advanced physics calculations in games. We don't even put advanced systems in games or simulate game environments. Gaming requirements for CPU crept up a lot more slowly than it did for GPU requirements.

Not to mention that today people feel a lot more entitled. Back then I bought GTX 760 for 1080p and I was happy to play Crysis 3 at 40 FPS. Now channels like Hardware Unboxed call 60 FPS as bare minimum playable framerate. What had happened to understanding that buying the budget GPU you will have to do some compromises? Now we have Hardware Unboxed doing 4k tests with RTX 5060 Ti and telling that since it can't run everything at highest settings, it is unacceptable. The problem is not Nvidia, but people.
 
This was very much intentional by NVIDIA. They intentionally launched only 16GB variant so everyone tested it and it will flood the internet and now that they released 8GB version, everyone is busy with Computex. People will look at 16GB reviews and thought 8GB is the same, just with a bit less VRAM and a bit cheaper and will go with it, not knowing it's going to suck much quicker, requiring premature upgrade. Which is more money in NVIDIA's pockets. And they very much know that. And it's very much why I dislike NVIDIA so much and urge everyone to wait, check reviews and consider RX 9060 XT instead. Again, check reviews for both 8GB and 16GB variants of Radeon and see then. Just like price gap between RX 9070 XT and non-XT was too small to justify the weaker card, I think it will be the same between RX 9060 XT 8GB and 16GB. Just get the 16GB because 8GB is very much on the edge of acceptable and will soon have problems. Just like RTX 5060 8GB will.
 
9800x3D die size 70.6 mm and it costs $479 today.
Intel Core i7-6700K is 227 mm. $339 from 2015 is $459.
I don’t even… the shrink is normal progress. Smaller dies for CPUs are not inferior, they are not GPUs. Smaller dies is what enabled more cores to be added in the first place. And the parallel to 6700K is the 9700X. The X3D were and are premium specialist parts.
Everything else you said amounts to “cutting edge is still expensive” and “specialized halo models cost a lot”. Which… yeah. Always was like that. But the mainstream parts and peripherals are steadily improving without going up in price.
Overall, it’s not a matter of perspective. GPUs are the one pain-point of the market where the price per performance hasn’t really improved in many years now, unlike pretty much everything else.

I have 7800x3D and is honestly shit. It can't launch single threaded applications without freezing the system (MSI Afterburner is a good example). Its cores are easily throttled by applications. It launches my OS even slower than my old i5-4670.
Yeah, no, I am sorry, that’s just PEBKAC.
 
This was very much intentional by NVIDIA. They intentionally launched only 16GB variant so everyone tested it and it will flood the internet and now that they released 8GB version, everyone is busy with Computex. People will look at 16GB reviews and thought 8GB is the same, just with a bit less VRAM and a bit cheaper and will go with it, not knowing it's going to suck much quicker, requiring premature upgrade. Which is more money in NVIDIA's pockets. And they very much know that. And it's very much why I dislike NVIDIA so much and urge everyone to wait, check reviews and consider RX 9060 XT instead. Again, check reviews for both 8GB and 16GB variants of Radeon and see then. Just like price gap between RX 9070 XT and non-XT was too small to justify the weaker card, I think it will be the same between RX 9060 XT 8GB and 16GB. Just get the 16GB because 8GB is very much on the edge of acceptable and will soon have problems. Just like RTX 5060 8GB will.

There currently is no 5060 16GB model you are thinking of the 5060ti which is substantially more expensive.




9800x3D die size 70.6 mm and it costs $479 today.
Intel Core i7-6700K is 227 mm. $339 from 2015 is $459.

You guys got butchered by shrinkflation and didn't even noticed. I have 7800x3D and is honestly shit. It can't launch single threaded applications without freezing the system (MSI Afterburner is a good example). Its cores are easily throttled by applications. It launches my OS even slower than my old i5-4670. The only reason you blame Nvidia is that gaming demands kept up or recently even surpassed hardware advancements for GPUs. However, computational advancements of games were slow for a long time. We didn't see any new and good sandbox, open world games for a long while now. We moved away from advanced physics calculations in games. We don't even put advanced systems in games or simulate game environments. Gaming requirements for CPU crept up a lot more slowly than it did for GPU requirements.

Not to mention that today people feel a lot more entitled. Back then I bought GTX 760 for 1080p and I was happy to play Crysis 3 at 40 FPS. Now channels like Hardware Unboxed call 60 FPS as bare minimum playable framerate. What had happened to understanding that buying the budget GPU you will have to do some compromises? Now we have Hardware Unboxed doing 4k tests with RTX 5060 Ti and telling that since it can't run everything at highest settings, it is unacceptable. The problem is not Nvidia, but people.

You need to include the I/O die size in order to make a comparison if the more recent AMD cpu were monolithic that would have to be included in one large die comparing a fully function cpu die to a CCD is at best misleading.

I don’t even… the shrink is normal progress. Smaller dies for CPUs are not inferior, they are not GPUs. Smaller dies is what enabled more cores to be added in the first place. And the parallel to 6700K is the 9700X. The X3D were and are premium specialist parts.
Everything else you said amounts to “cutting edge is still expensive” and “specialized halo models cost a lot”. Which… yeah. Always was like that. But the mainstream parts and peripherals are steadily improving without going up in price.
Overall, it’s not a matter of perspective. GPUs are the one pain-point of the market where the price per performance hasn’t really improved in many years now, unlike pretty much everything else.

It's also completely ignoring the 122mm2 IO portion like it doesn't exist and the cpu is fully functional without it.
 
I have 7800x3D and is honestly shit. It can't launch single threaded applications without freezing the system (MSI Afterburner is a good example). Its cores are easily throttled by applications. It launches my OS even slower than my old i5-4670.
Or.. you could learn how to tune a system, or by the sounds of it, set one up.
 
Or.. you could learn how to tune a system, or by the sounds of it, set one up.

Brand new user $hi++!ng on AMD while praising Nvidia... Where have I seen this story before... I guess the forum members on wccftech are getting bored.

Yeah, no, I am sorry, that’s just PEBKAC.

You've inspired me to change my profile picture :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :toast:
 
What the hell? Low end RTX is turning into Intel ARC, where you can't pair them with old systems and get full performance.
Just moving from AM4 to AM5 really helped out in MSFS on my midrange GPU. Was using a 58X3D.
 
You need to include the I/O die size in order to make a comparison if the more recent AMD cpu were monolithic that would have to be included in one large die comparing a fully function cpu die to a CCD is at best misleading.

You are right. I had checked architectures of those dies and there is about the same iGPU area on Skylake and Ryzen 9000. The latter being separated.

I don’t even… the shrink is normal progress. Smaller dies for CPUs are not inferior, they are not GPUs. Smaller dies is what enabled more cores to be added in the first place. And the parallel to 6700K is the 9700X. The X3D were and are premium specialist parts.
Everything else you said amounts to “cutting edge is still expensive” and “specialized halo models cost a lot”. Which… yeah. Always was like that. But the mainstream parts and peripherals are steadily improving without going up in price.

No, you cannot pick and choose which part represents which one. X3D parts are not 'premium specialists parts'. It is best gaming processor compared with that time best gaming processor. They are in the same product category.

My point was that when capabilities of hardware improve, same does the price. I had shown you that pricing remained the same then inflation adjusted. We didn't moved the needle towards cheaper hardware. Your idea that peripherals are steadily improving without going up in price is also questionable. Those cheap peripherals are often questionable. I got TPS-600S like two years ago. It is Chieftec 600W PSU for 40 euros at that time. Cheap? Sure. However, everyone is telling me not to use it for powering high TDP GPUs and CPUs. So, where is this quality you speak of? I replaced it with Seasonic Prime TX-1000 PSU. It costed me around 10 times of that PSU. So, where are this cheap hardware you are talking about? Half of it constantly blows up and you have to go through greenlight lists to see if it is safe to use. Likewise, what else is cheap? I paid just over two hundred euros for a sound card. It wasn't cheap. Mouse and keyboard is cheap with RGB? It was back then too. I was also getting basic Audio technica ath-m40x/50x headphones since I was in high school. They were cheap and good sounding then, maybe now they are just little cheaper, but just the same quality.

Sorry, I don't share your perspective. I can see that we are getting more of the stuff cheaper. Like higher resolutions becoming more affordable. 4k will hit 300 dollar mark soon or so I heard. You can get more VRAM for same price. Sure, I can see all of that. However, I don't agree on 'getting better' part. Nor I see it as improving the situation. What is the point of 16 GB of RAM costing same as 1 GB RAM a decade ago if it fills up just the same?

Yeah, no, I am sorry, that’s just PEBKAC.

You will rather pretend that problem doesn't exist? It is quite common response from people when confronted about their favorite company.

Overall, it’s not a matter of perspective. GPUs are the one pain-point of the market where the price per performance hasn’t really improved in many years now, unlike pretty much everything else.

But you just ignored my entire point that capabilities of GPUs advanced the most in a meantime. In addition, demands for gaming leapfrogged with RT and we are in the midst of a revolution. Not to mention constant chip shortages. I think that the answer why GPUs are the way they is pretty obvious.
 
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Just moving from AM4 to AM5 really helped out in MSFS on my midrange GPU. Was using a 58X3D.

There are some extreme cases where a cpu makes a huge difference for sure.

Going from a 5950X to a 7950X3D jumped my fps 50-60% in Witcher 3 next gen with all the RT enabled on the 5950X I was forced to use frame generation which felt like $hit. We are probably talking about just a handful of games though to behave that way and it's mostly poor optimization vs games actually needing faster CPUs we are still stuck with one render thread in most game engines which in 2025 is a joke.

Flight simulator is an extreme case because the majority of assets are being steamed in from the internet and being decompressed by the cpu if I am understanding how that engine works correctly it's not something I want other games to try and replicate lol.

Quoting this because Rich did a great job and was more than fair in his conclusions. Not just the vram, but the PCIe speed are issues with this card. What the hell? Low end RTX is turning into Intel ARC, where you can't pair them with old systems and get full performance.

Yeah, I mean seeing all perspectives regardless of if we agree with them or not is a good thing In my book. Everyone has different ideas about how they think a 300 usd gpu should behave in 2025.

Personally I think it's ok for people to draw either conclusion the 5060 in the 2025 climate of gpu's is fine or that it is a steaming pile of $h!+ not everyone uses their gpu's the same or has the same expectations for what this product should be.
 
I didn’t want to engage with this because… what the actual fuck. But, against my better judgement…

No, you cannot pick and choose which part represents which one. X3D parts are not 'premium specialists parts'. It is best gaming processor compared with that time best gaming processor. They are in the same product category.
Sure I can. The category of strictly gaming oriented CPUs just didn’t exist previously. Older flagship CPUs were fastest in gaming because they were the fastest generally. The X3D is a waste of money for people who don’t benefit from that additional cache. It’s a specialized release by definition. You do realize people use PCs for other things than gaming, correct?

I got TPS-600S like two years ago. It is Chieftec 600W PSU for 40 euros at that time. Cheap? Sure. However, everyone is telling me not to use it for powering high TDP GPUs and CPUs. So, where is this quality you speak of? I replaced it with Seasonic Prime TX-1000 PSU. It costed me around 10 times of that PSU. So, where are this cheap hardware you are talking about?
“I replaced a bottom barrel PSU with a halo flagship one and that was more expensive. Ergo, no other PSUs exist between literal fire hazards and flagships.” Okay brother.

I paid just over two hundred euros for a sound card. It wasn't cheap.
…okay? There are literal DAC/AMP combos out there from the likes of Fiio and Topping for half that price. If one wants good sound he can attain that at reasonable money now.

Mouse and keyboard is cheap with RGB? It was back then too.
And, as we know, mice and keebs are divided into those with RGB and those without. No other characteristics or specs exist. Okay. For your info, one can now get lightweight wireless mice with top specs under 50 bucks and, in keyboards, HE switch models are now coming down to 80 and lower. If you know why this is incredible - you know.

I was also getting basic Audio technica ath-m40x/50x headphones since I was in high school. They were cheap and good sounding then, maybe now they are just little cheaper, but just the same quality.
Planars are cheap now. IEMs are outrageous value. You just haven’t been keeping up with the market - M50 hasn’t been a good value or even a good headphone for years now.

You will rather pretend that problem doesn't exist? It is quite common response from people when confronted about their favorite company.
Ahahaha, you have no idea how funny this is. Calling me an “AMD fan” is… hilarious. But no, for your information I have no “favorite company”. Your problem stems from your own skills or lack of them. You may want to create a topic on that, people might help you.

But you just ignored my entire point that capabilities of GPUs advanced the most in a meantime. In addition, demands for gaming leapfrogged with RT and we are in the midst of a revolution. Not to mention constant chip shortages. I think that the answer why GPUs are the way they is pretty obvious.
Your point was stupid, so yeah, I elected to ignore it. And you now switched tracks completely. Your argument was “muh inflation”. Nobody has denied games becoming increasingly hard to run. Rising capabilities of hardware is a poor defense though - that ALWAYS happened from the dawn of PC hardware. What, you thought GPUs until, like, Turing were just the same as Voodoo, but faster?

Anyway, have a good one, I am not going to continue this… weird tangent.
 
Another review because more data is never a bad thing.



Found this one quite interesting as well. Interesting as in showcasing something we already knew but actually seeing the 5060 go from perfectly fine to slowly choking as he plays through the game and eventually become unplayable is quite sad. Conclusion has more or less been the same everywhere: good card, fine price, artificially limited by inadequate memory.
 
I wonder how long it takes to lock this topic

topic: The graphic card has a structure. It depends also on the connectors, the connectors speed and how much can be stored. Software and hardware plays a role in it.

8Gib Nvidia card may give good results in nvidia sponsored titles like doom, which i suspect again, because the bus speed these days is increased from pcie 4.0 to pcie 5.0. When the bus speed is too slow the 8gib Graphic card memory will have problems. This is only about the memory and the bus speed. There is of course the other factor when the graphic card has too few structures or bad software it may not be even able to run the game fast enough anyway, regardless of the Graphic card memory. People should try to know this before buying such graphic cards.

edit: #215 - well that guy at least hast two grapic cards physically on the table. I suspect more a software issue when he loads the savegame again. I stopped at that point watching.
 
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Onasi, then what is the point of having debate with you if your definitions are subjective? In addition, I was wrong about die size which makes your entire arguing kinda pointless to begin with. You also make strange arguments by calling X3D parts a "premium specialist parts" then we are comparing best CPUs for gamers. Like, are you just saying stuff just to talk?

You still don't get why your point is wrong about electronics getting cheaper. They were cheap for ages already. You could had bought everything cheaply back then too. However, my point is that cheap hardware today is still cheap for a reason. If you are buying quality electronics which everyone wants, they cost a pretty penny today just as they costed back in the day. Mentioning that you can get no brand electronics cheaper elsewhere really doesn't help your case. Lack of quality control, worse quality of headphones in your example of going from established brands. There are better parts which have good reputation, but they are considerably more expensive than the cheapest options on the market.

I do agree that higher resolution monitors were expensive, now they are cheap.
SSDs were expensive and now they are cheap.
DDR5 was expensive and now it is cheap.

There things are part of natural evolution of PCs. My point, once again is that cheap hardware always existed. Cheapest hardware now is cheap for many good reasons. It is a poor argument to make about GPUs.

In the end, if you are going to ''just ignore the inflation" then you are bound for disappointment. Games, hardware, everything is getting more expensive. Don't be that guy: "Back in my day I could buy a house for a dollar and still have change left!". Choosing to ignore rising game requirements is also a bad thing to do. You can't just blame every woe on evil corporations and lazy developers. Eventually you have to accept that due to many complex reasons, things are that they are. Economy is going to gutters. This is why we are getting poorer. New, unified game engines allows games to be produced much easier, but also eats a lot of system resources. There are reasons for everything and blaming corporations is in my opinion just missing the forest for the trees. They are that they are and will always be like that. They want to sell us our product and we buy it if it is good enough. That is it. No need to think of corporations as your friend. That Nvidia ''owes gamers something''. If corporation doesn't produce a product which you like, just don't buy it. I did that with Arc A770 Limited Edition card when Nvidia and AMD had crap cards for last generation. I wanted to upgrade this generation, but Nvidia cut PhysX 32 bit support, so I just bought refurbished RTX 3080 with 1 year warranty for very cheap. It is that simple, just buy a product which you need and if it is not available, then just don't buy it.

8Gib Nvidia card may give good results in nvidia sponsored titles like doom, which i suspect again, because the bus speed these days is increased from pcie 4.0 to pcie 5.0. When the bus speed is too slow the 8gib Graphic card memory will have problems. This is only about the memory and the bus speed. There is of course the other factor when the graphic card has too few structures or bad software it may not be even able to run the game fast enough anyway, regardless of the Graphic card memory. People should try to know this before buying such graphic cards.

To get back on a topic somewhat. This generation we have a weird issue where every budget offering was crippled. Nvidia low end relies on fairly modern motherboards. Intel relies on fairly modern CPUs. Only AMD left, I can't wait how they are going to screw this one too! They literally have no competition for legacy upgrades and they are going to screw that somehow, I can just feel it!
 
9800x3D die size 70.6 mm and it costs $479 today.
Intel Core i7-6700K is 227 mm. $339 from 2015 is $459.
I just want to hop in and correct this 6700K is not 227 mm² or anywhere near that more like 122 mm². The two biggest desktop die sizes in the 14nm era from Intel were Comet Lake (~206 mm²) and Rocket Lake (~276 mm², but this was a core backported from 10nm).
 
I just want to hop in and correct this 6700K is not 227 mm² or anywhere near that more like 122 mm². The two biggest desktop die sizes in the 14nm era from Intel were Comet Lake (~206 mm²) and Rocket Lake (~276 mm², but this was a core backported from 10nm).

Yeah..... Unless we count hedt which imho shouldn't be compared.


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That being said @freeagent this thread probably should be locked I believe the OP has enough information both for and against this card and is just waiting for TPU to review it.
 
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That being said @freeagent this thread probably should be locked I believe the OP has enough information both for and against this card and is just waiting for TPU to review it.
Jo0 got it mang.
 
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